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Here is the letter written by indie Japanese vtuber Kasii, in response to her channel blowing up in 2023 thanks to a big streamer (Asmongold) reacting to it a few times over the year.
This is proof of the importance of reaction content for many online creators, and why it should lose its stigma within the vtubing sphere.

>> No.65816025

>>65815918
to many text

>> No.65816040

>>65815918
damn asmonchan is a step away from having a japanese loli wife chuuba

>> No.65816099

reaction content is parasitic leeching behavior by scumfuck parasite streamers with psychopath levels of calculated lazyness not to mention essentially intellectual theft. Lesser creators may benefit from it but it doesn't change the fact that the parasites are getting rich off of other peoples work. If you're a mid tier creator who is already making enough money, you won't be fooled by the clout handouts from asmonleech et al. all you'll see is someone stealing your content and putting his webcam over it.
It is inherently a morally repugnant thing to witness for normal people who aren't missing regular brain functions (ie psychopaths)

>> No.65816173

>>65816099
your streamer plays videogames nerd give it a rest

>> No.65816196

>>65815918
when she's joining mythic?

>> No.65816341

>>65816099
>all you'll see is someone stealing your content and putting his webcam over it.
So is playing games stealing content from the creator of the game? What about karaoke where you sing songs you didn't make?

>> No.65816439

>>65815918
I've always found this discussion stupid because watching vtubers play games isn't much different from react content.
Let's face it, you're not watching these girls for their exceptional skill at these games, you're watching them for their reaction to the stuff that happens in the game. Replace the game with a video and it's not all that different.

>> No.65818060

>>65816196
I think they're only recruiting english-speaking talents. Kasii is Japanese.

>> No.65818570 [DELETED] 

>>65815918
Incorrect. The problem is the difference between the two which places them on unequal footing, but overall it doesn't have a net benefit for all targets of reacts. Besides he opened her stream a few times as opposed to watching a video she worked 100-200 hours on.

>> No.65818581

>>65815918
hard to read.
give me a summary.

>> No.65818614

>>65815918
I don't really give a crap about this whole discussion about whether or not react content is good, but damn that letter is really wholesome. Bless her, and I hope 2024 treats her well.

>> No.65818632

>>65818581
She said non english speakers belong in fucking chains

>> No.65818740

>>65816173
>>65816341
XQC levels of thinking. React content is intellectual theft, lazy, and in no way does it benefit these people at all. The small channels that blow up after this were already picked up by the algorithm to begin with otherwise they wouldn’t have gotten recommended to these terminally online motherfuckers.

It’s lazy and pathetic. Fuck you Ironmouse.

>> No.65818761 [DELETED] 

>>65816341
NTA but
>So is playing games stealing content from the creator of the game
Yes, absolutely.
>What about karaoke where you sing songs you didn't make
Yes, absolutely.

In what world is rebroadcasting or redistributing content others created not in violation of copyright? Whether or not it will be pursued with legal action is a different question. I'm tired of hearing dumb gamers whine "how can Nintendo ban us from streaming a tournament" when obviously that's the default. People are just too relaxed about being allowed to violate copyrights.

>> No.65818762

Reactors don't make anything popular. They react to things that are already getting popular. Nobody watches anything again after watching someone react to it, though maybe livestreams are a possible exception with an effect similar to clips.

>> No.65818782
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>>65818740
>Fuck you Ironmouse.
Now you've done it

>> No.65818809

>>65818762
That's not even true, there are countless cases of videos by smaller creators getting reacted to and the reaction-vod getting magnitudes more views than the original video so clearly it's not rich robbing the rich like you're trying to imply.

>> No.65818836 [DELETED] 

>>65818762
Don't worry kid, I'll pay you back in exposure.

>> No.65818862

>>65818809
You retard. The small channel got recommended to the big channel because the small channel got picked up by the algo and was going to blow up anyway. Literally, they only lost views because of react content. They didn’t gain shit.

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>>65815918

>> No.65818888

>>65818862
Retard that's what I said. You only lose from getting reacted to, either you lose or you go +-0

>> No.65818892

>>65818740
i look forward to seeing how you holokeks react when you find out that many youtubers give permission for it and encourage reacting

>> No.65818945

>>65818888
Retard I know. I was signal boosting your post so that it would blow up.

>> No.65818977

I don't care about the opinions of women who prioritize making themselves look pretty over readability.

>> No.65819025

>>65818892
Shut up you retarded eight year old, and or Hispanic IM supporter.

>> No.65819030
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65819030

Reminder that you chose this path, she was tired, burnt out, and still wanted to be with you. But you ridiculed her about react content. You were all blind, you couldn't see the suffering she was in, you didn't really care, as long as you were happy at Guras expense.
I aint a chumbud, but I remember that stream vividly, her eyes changed that day, less expressive when chat hollered at her not to cheapen her content. I felt like the witness to something horrifying, the crowd over passionate yet oblivious. I saw what Gura saw that day, a mob and their insufferable weight. I don't blame Gura for choosing to disappear. I hope she is a lot happier being free of those crazy circumstances. Maybe her love of streaming will come back, but I will always remember those broken eyes.

>> No.65819095

>>65815918
That makes that particular react content fine, because the original creator benefitted.
But the usual case is that the reactor is making content out of someone else's work while the reactee doesn't get much at all out of it.

>> No.65819104

>>65818782
Sykkuno launched Ironmouse into popularity during covid with OTV AmongUs collabs, all because he was a chumbud. Prove me wrong.

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I'd say react content, having watched Asmon do quite a bit of it lately in fact, is more like "the streamer is acting like your buddy recommending you cool stuff to watch and sometimes having commentary on it" and there's also an air of "maybe you wouldn't have found or watched this yourself without the streamer, who doesn't know if he's even gonna like it, but we can watch it together and see what's up with it" which I would say as basically easing-in the audience to random stuff because at least this other dude you know is 'watching' it with you in a sense.

It's actually really parasocial as fuck feeling, as in the real definition of "this person feels like your friend" instead of the vtuber-specific meaning that's been ignorantly twisted to mean "stalker murder rapist incel hitlers."

I'd also say the problem with it isn't that it's inherently evil but because it's just so fucking, fucking easy for a streamer to do they tend to fall into a trap spamming it and basically they are demoting what they call streaming to being really just that kind of thing you do cruising around Youtube watching stuff only technically it's "content" if you comment on it out-loud. Sometimes Asmon will pause and actually talk/lecture for a couple minutes about a subject and that's kinda neat to hear his thoughts but also quite often he's just kinda mumbling "i agree" or something every minute or two and there's not a strong reason he needs to be there reacting.

>tl;dr in theory it can be nice and even useful if the streamer really-cares/thinks about the video and has a lot of interesting commentary to add, but in practice most streamers have jack shit to add to a video like ironmouse going "oooohh" and shit and they also abuse the shit out of the format to kill the good will people had for it, it's like the Minecraft spam of Twitch

>> No.65819128

>>65815918
>asmon
stopped reading there

>> No.65819143

>>65819030
Her eyes looked as they always do.
Badly rigged.

>> No.65819172

>>65819104
Sykkuno is Korean and so has never contributed anything to anyone or society at large. He only consumes and grifts.

>> No.65819175

>>65815918
One good does not make up for the bad. No, I'll never watch shitty react content, it sucks and every second of it I wonder why the fuck I'm watching a retard blurt out their opinion or exaggerated blowjobface REACTION WOAH SO CRAZY, when anything good in reaction content is the content they react to, not them.

>> No.65819194

>>65819172
Cool it with the racism Ayame.

>> No.65819196

>>65819114
Gura would of worked on filtering the content. Sure there would of been lazy days but it could have gone educational which was her forte, memes which she was slipping behind due to Hololife. Like you said it would of been kryptonite cause the streamer is sort of like controlling the remote from the same couch, but at least Gura would of been sitting there with you.

>> No.65819246

>>65815918
I feel like this event is similar to what have happened over and over back in 2020-2021. A random JP indie is highlighted to a community so they get more views and subscribers, sometimes replacing the small but already existing JP fanbase.
Then everyone who supported the indie got bored and went to "save" the next JP indie.

>> No.65819339

>>65819246
The algorithm struck gold for her and Asmon luck. She already has the soft ASMR voice but she can sing beautifully as well and has a developing solid grasp of English.
JP competition is insane just to get noticed.

>> No.65819410

Have you guys even seen what bottom tier vtubing in JP tends to be like? You are shilling all of the company merch directly as a spokesperson, it's like the unofficial unsung role when you are at the bottom. It would feel very shit to do that for long unless they brought your opportunities up to the same standards quickly after that hard work.

>> No.65819454

>>65815918
Asmongold definitely doesn't deserve this.

>> No.65819519

>>65819339
Nope, EOPs will not stick around to watch a JP indie. They will move on, having irreparably ursurped the indie's original fanbase, leaving her with a hollow shell of a viewership and trying to pivot back to JP so she can get some native viewers back.
>t. former EOP saviorfag who's seen this happen to every JP 2view I "saved" back in 2021-2022. Nowadays I stick to EN chuubas where my dekinai ass belongs.

>> No.65819532

>>65819339
I'm just hoping that history won't repeat itself.

>> No.65819596

Do you people actually care about all this “copyright” and “stealing” stuff? Like, you really feel genuine emotions inside because someone used a piece of media without legal permission?

>> No.65819658

>>65819596
Japan certainly cares, hence you don't see a lot of react spam JP chuubas. they do not have fair use laws like the West does flat-out hence all the autism about game permissions.

>> No.65819693

>>65815918
don't care, asmond lives in a literal dump

>> No.65819707

>>65819658
Japan is weird in many ways.

>> No.65819745

>>65819519
The Asmon boost is 50,000 on average putting someone in the spotlight up towards 100,000.
Dual Lingo streams are a niche and do have a cap, but Henya still has a sizeable core JP fan base. Savior fagging with small numbers is of course retarded and cannibalizing the community. Thankfully dualingo have better examples to follow now.

>> No.65819845

>>65819175
I don't understand why anyone watches reaction streamers, if I'm looking at streamer I've never seen before and look up a VOD and it's all reaction content I immediately lose all interest in them. Is it a parasocial / sunk cost fallacy that traps people into watching that shit?

>> No.65819865

>>65815918
except most people only react to gordon ramsay and meme compilations. i dont think people would hate react content as much if they actually reacted to interesting shit, but they cant even bother to do that

>> No.65819900

>>65818060
she speaks some English and usually has dual translator running on the screen.

>> No.65819919

>>65819519
Based savioranon. I think you're right, it's better to grow naturally than to blow up and instantly deflate.

>> No.65820017

>>65819865
There was a big controversy a few months ago when XQC reacted to a Lemmino video and basically played the entire thing on his stream while mumbling "Woah chat" every few minutes. Pretty sure Hasan also did the same thing and even left the room for 20 minutes while it kept playing. If they streamed some literal no name video I don't think it would have blown up nearly as much, but Lemmino is a big channel.

>> No.65820073

>>65819919
>it's better to grow naturally than to blow up and instantly deflate
Who's gonna tell him how vtubing became popular in the west and why holomyth have millions of subs but barely break 10k viewers?

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>>65820017
I think baldy somehow manages to avoid that trap because he keeps pausing to talk about the thing, for better or for worse. Sometimes he pauses, says something, plays 5 seconds and then pauses again to say something else.

>> No.65820162

>>65820073
Did I stutter?

>> No.65820175

>>65820073
This sounds kind of familiar, I think I know the answer, it's on the tip of my tongue though.

>> No.65820218

>>65820017
Good react content is basically like watching a movie you like together with a friend who hasn't seen it. It's a very specific feeling, parasocial for sure, but not really that different from watching a streamer play a videogame. Bad react content is either what you describe, or it's just extremely fake (repeating "this is crazy" every 10 seconds is a staple).

>> No.65820229

>>65820146
he's one of the only people I think actually does react content right -sometimes-. he's got a nice no bullshit no nonsense no cultural meta considerations bullshit approach to everything and has some surprisingly sharp insights. he's like a modern day Diogenes sometimes, only crossed with a manchild who never progressed beyond the age of like 9. Then again the real diogenes was a literal hobo too.

>> No.65820297

>>65815918
It's different reacting to a stream (happening the same time as the reaction) or reacting to a full fledge video.

>> No.65820326

That was cute

>> No.65820423

>>65815918
how do i saviorfag to get similar results

>> No.65820441 [DELETED] 

>>65819596
It depends. It's like a "you first" argument, except that "we" are on the no power end of the scale but others are on the very powerful end of the scale. I'm also all for AI as long as we can all use models trained on corporate assets. That's really the problem though, it only matters when it's someone already making good money, and this forced communism is only for the poor/small creators.

>> No.65820552

>>65820218
This! HoloEN had an opportunity due to how lax the laws are and you could make a lot of good content from it + possible collaboration angles. After boring content people look for refreshers and even educational stuff gets viewed. If the energy was put behind it the way you digest content gets transformed, but leave it to the little people with no imagination coming back to the same slop everyday to approve innovation. Grim

>> No.65820590

>>65815918
Asmon benefits the most, a meager portion of his viewers trickling-down in this particular case, which isn't always the case because we already know the click-through rate on videos reacted to is extremely slim, does not change the fact that he is stealing content and the reactee ultimately loses.

>> No.65820594

>>65820552
Fuck off. Watch Pippa if you want react sloptent

>> No.65820608

>>65820552
To add, the JP crowd already does these alternative approaches with Watame's travels and Botan's shows. You all practically killed Gura being the fun police.

>> No.65820630

>>65820594
So you chose no GawrGura. That's fine.

>> No.65820651

>>65815918
Not all react streams are the same. Like >>65816439 says, video game streams are a form of react content, but obviously the streamer is heavily invested in the thing they're reacting to because they have to play the video game.
When the streamer is just watching YouTube for hours and occasionally saying "wow", they're not even producing content, they're just plagiarising someone else's content. If that accidentally results in some indie getting more viewers, that's great for them, but it doesn't really excuse how shitty most react streams are.

>> No.65820707

>>65820594
I only watch that clip of Pippa sticking her foot out over that caprisun to jack off to her finger toes

>> No.65820871

I’m indifferent to the moral argument against react content, I just think it’s boring and lazy. Streamers will basically just go on autopilot and let the video they’re reacting to do like 90% of the work, even gaming streams are higher effort.

>> No.65820895

>>65816099
Well, it depends. There are streamers who just watch stuff one after another and do sounds, and there are streamers who do a lot of commentary during the watchalong. Asmons videos are usually twice as long as the source video because he has a lot of stuff to add, then shares the link in the chat and ask his audience to give it a like to support the original creator.

>> No.65820939

>>65819519
it's been 6 months since she got the asmon boost and her viewership is still over 200 average ccv compared to ~50 before hand

>> No.65820979

>>65818581
95% of japanese television has some fuck stuck in the corner reacting to it so your kasii, being a nip, isn't going to see anything weird with react vids.

>> No.65821525

>>65820895
The only reactions videos I really think are worth anything come from people that can use their own knowledge to provide a different perspective in the original content. I saw a good example of this when I saw someone who has a lot of experience doing pokemon nuzlockes react to someone doing one for the first time, adding their own knowledge to break down things that the average viewer wouldn’t catch. If this were all reaction videos I wouldn’t mind so much, but like 90% of the time its just the occasional laugh on top of a try not to laugh challenge or daily dose of internet video.

>> No.65821988

Nah, fuck those react faggot. They dare to show other CC's stuff cause they know that indie CC don't have the resources to shoot their channel down. Watch as they try to show any IP that's belong to big studios and get DMCA'd in the matter of seconds.

>> No.65822074

>>65820651
Video game streams are different because, unless we're talking about a walking simulator or visual novel, watching someone play a game cannot replace playing it yourself. The same cannot be said of videos.

>> No.65822928

>>65815918
Cool story sister, except most most reaction channels aren't Asmongold and Pewdiepie reacting to 1 views. It's 200 sub literal whos, reacting to 1 mil holos and leeching off of their success.

>> No.65823864

>>65815918
Hardest part is getting exposure. Gratz to Kasii.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNzoJUET1n4

>> No.65823901

>>65820552
Just recently Irys changed her watchalong from Gundam to something different because management told her that Gundam is NG for karaoke or whatchalongs. Mind you they were allowed to stream the cashgrab game that shut down their servers just a year after release. Biboo also said there are movies she can't do on a watchalong. The rules are crazy and stricter than the law

>> No.65824132

>>65820552
The fact that the EN girls have to deal with the stupid perms shit is criminal. No one in the west gives a shit if they stream their game and it’s perfectly legal.

>> No.65825081

>>65820608
I say this as a chumbud but you are delusional if you think gura asking about react content didnt to some degree mean Gura reacts to "cursed tiktok ylyl volume 4"

>> No.65825309

>React Content
>Streamer watches something relevant to them specifically or a topic they're closely tied to
>Gives live reaction, opinion etc.
>"React" Content
>Streamer hits the play button on their paid-by-viewers reel thing
>Eats or just outright goes AFK while the money rolls in

>> No.65825354

Only niggas who hate reaction content are corpo watchers because they cant have it.

>> No.65826392

>>65815918
If I were a streamer I would rather be banned than find "success" this way

>> No.65826639

No fuck off. React content is low effort, boring slop for those who are too shitty, lazy and boring to do anything else. Thankfully, my oshi has never done react slop and she never will.

>> No.65827062

>>65816099
Reaction content CAN be done correctly and can be extremely good, but ONLY of the nature of the "reaction" part is transformative and intelligent in nature. There is no objective cut off, but consider Mystery Science Theater and Plinkett from Red Letter Media. Both these examples are purely reaction content, but they are highly transformative and contribute to media culture.
On one end, there are baindead e-whores who steal other content and plaster their webcam on top with nothing transformative at all, but on the other end there is brilliant stuff born from reacting to other content.

>> No.65827131

>>65816173
>>65816341
Video games require at least some effort to play. You'll never see a chuuba playing DMC V in their sleep but I have seen chuubas put "reaction" content on and then fall asleep while other people's content plays in full on their channel.
Even when you remove these chuubas from the equation, reaction content is divided into two categories:
A: the chuubas who sit there pausing the video constantly to ask pointless questions about the video that'll be answered when they let the video play again
B: the chuubas who let the video play in full and add nothing else to the video aside from making noises like
>"Oh", "neat", "I see", "interesting", "hmmm"

>> No.65827278

>>65815918
If its just a few times I wouldn't mind reaction content desu I do want to see their reaction to my favourite video but if it's their staple content they just seems lazy

>> No.65827400

>>65818740
>muh intellectual theft
>he cries this out as he pirates the movies and songs he likes
I can never take you guys seriously

>> No.65827496

>>65819030
I think I know what stream you're taking about. You may have a point. Either way, that mob never made an effort to understand her. How could they? They were already too many, a mob, and a mob can only destroy.

>> No.65827531

>>65827400
Not him, but pirating moves by itself is completely different and you're arguing in bad faith. The people he is complaining about are taking other people's content and profiting from it. A better analogy would be pirating movies and then selling them afterwards.

>> No.65827697

>>65827531
"Profit" does not have to be purely monetary
A lot of pirates give out media for free purely due to principle, they "profit" by being able to stick it to the man and show bullshit like outdated copyright laws
And it's weird to use talking points like intellectual theft when every anon here is guilty of pirating a movie or two
So in the end, you agree with my point lol

>> No.65827736

>>65816099
I don't like Asmon and refuse to watch most of his stuff but the one thing he does right is properly give commentary anf insights in thosr react videos. He also links the channel in question. Granted that is the bare minimum someone should do but it ultimately is transformative in nature even if I personally don't find it interesting. There's a pretty wide chasm between SniperWolf/XQC and RLM/MST3K and Asmon lands pretty squarely in the middle.

>> No.65827858

>>65827736
This. Hes at least making transformative content, whereas other streamers literally will let the video run without adding anything or not even being on stream.

>> No.65827920

>>65816099
I love how you diss your parents and grandparents for watching talk shows (aka react content) on cable tv

>> No.65828042

>>65820218
>Good react content is basically like watching a movie you like together with a friend who hasn't seen it
How is that any different than just reacting to videos?

>> No.65828085

The mental gymnastics from reactcucks are always hilarious to witness.

>> No.65828167

>>65828085
Reactcucks and unicorns are both morally reprehensible but they ultimately keep the lights on so they get a pass, deal with it

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>>65815918
imagine actually reacting for free
couldnt be me

>> No.65828536

>react
>content
pick one

>> No.65828808

>>65827697
Sure, but you are still arguing in bad faith. The people who pirate for ideological reasons are doing so to stick it to large billion dollar corporations who they feel are adverse to the community. Pirating a game from EA is different than pirating a game from a single indie programmer.
Most streamers who do react content are doing one of the above as noted by this anon >>65827131 . They are taking content usually from a small content creator, rebroadcasting it on their own stream, and are not adding transformative content as noted by >>65827062 . Many are doing this solely to increase their CCV numbers and donations, which is why reaction content is so hated here. If a streamer or video creator actually adds transformative content to a reaction stream, then no one will be bothered at all. See >>65821525

>> No.65828871

We have reached the point where we have so many layers to react shit it's now [Person a reacting to person b reacting to person a's reaction to something]

>> No.65828882

Like get some fucking friends lmao. Who the fuck watches countless hours of react shit? Lonely fucks who want a friend experience. And people shit on the GFE fags but HEY gfs are harder to maintain and get more than friends

>> No.65828894

>>65816099
>>65818740
its not intellectual theft but these people are cunts indeed and when it comes to different subcultures being reacted to from a large streamer perspective the consequences to these subcultures are like brigading.

its like when commentary cucks shit on someone online and turn opinion but reactors do it with even less consideration and more often a larger audience of brigaders.

this is the ONLY consideration of these e-cancer cunts in relation to vtubers. i fucking hate it when nerissa even breathes a mention from them, just like everyone was holding their breaths when a fucking tsunami of e-cancer cliques tried to leech off of gura during holoEN's start.

>> No.65828899

>>65815918
Asmongoloid is the least bad of reaction content streamers DESU because he doesnt use it as a crutch for his laziness or shit content

>> No.65828947

>>65815918
Oh cool. So when is Ironmouse personally going to thank the people shes stealing content from? Why dont we ever hear stories like this about her?

>> No.65829019

People who get pissy over “react” content aren’t old enough to remember DJs and VJs.

>> No.65829062

>>65828894
Calm down Gatekeeper, its not that serious.

>> No.65829072

>>65828882
Exactly, be more well adjusted like /vt/ posters

>> No.65829160

>>65828882
This is just like when you see the fat kid making fun of the fatter kid for being fat. They're both fat and losers.

>> No.65829231

>>65829062
you dont get it. and its an all-encompassing concept. what are cultures?
you live long enough to see how they grow and die. so when you find something you like, dont you hope for it not to be meddled with?

let those who shape the industry be stakeholders of it. let vtubers rise on their own audience's standard and shape THEIR cultures. would you rather scumbag redditor/twitter users or worse, anime-hating /pol/ to bring invaders in this thing we like?

>> No.65829370

>>65815918
This letter is too wholesome for this place.
I ain't reading all the replies in this thread, and fuck you too OP for using this to push your own agenda.

>> No.65829456

>>65829231
You are overreacting, nothing happened and nothing will happen. I bet you're the same faggot that had a meltdown when Holos were at the Vtuber awards, news flash, nothing happened and Hololive wasn't infested and ruined.

>> No.65829632

>>65828808
>Pirating a game from EA is different than pirating a game from a single indie programmer.
How so? Pirating is pirating regardless of how rich the "victim" is, people will pirate content from indies the moment they set up a paywall

>> No.65829695

>>65827400
stop projecting poorfagchama

>> No.65829708

>>65829456
i am. and damage and evil doesn't exist as purely as that - 100% of poison 100% kills you.
i am not going to argue about the westernization of vtubing since that is now part of the culture. but look at the dramafags and shitposters slowly burrowing in: doxxers and shitposters, v-tweeters, specialized vtuber drama "news" channels all have been steadily growing who grow specifically from creating strife in the community.
dont pretend these things were as big and influential as they currently are in 2019 and before.

>> No.65829774

>>65829632
>Pirating is pirating regardless of how rich the "victim" is
not true

>> No.65829781

>>65829632
It just is.

>> No.65829884

>>65829781
based unapologetic parasite

>> No.65829993

>>65826639
I like how the react debate outs how many holoniji fans are underage because they consider playing video games to be work

>> No.65830185

>>65829708
>i am not going to argue about the westernization of vtubing since that is now part of the culture.
Why not? How are you any different than a fan from before early 2020 who wanted to gatekeep back then? They didn't want your ass and the shift in vtubing to happen just as you're feeling now about the future. So if you want to ignore the past and say it is what it is and thats the culture now, then, whatever happens happens and will be the future culture.

>> No.65830302

>>65830185
i wasn't going to argue about it because i wouldnt want some shart to sperg out and change the subject ie you.
the point is there is something even a shart can agree with that we don't want in vtubing ie dramafags

>> No.65830345

>>65829632
Anon, its the same people who think committing crimes like stealing is justifiable if the victim is rich or a corporation. Basically just a way to suit their narrative.

>> No.65830547

I don't think many people have an issue with react content when done right but the biggest proponents of this shit are always are always make the worst kind of reaction content. It's always the same names that come up about who is a leech about this shit and who actually adds to the videos or the content. Asmolgold, Hasan, xqc, can only put the level of effort when reacting they do cause they are so large that they can get away with it. They also do the most leeching kind of actions and match the meta data of the original videos that the people who make the originals and they put out their reactions only a day after the original and essentially stealing ad revenue. I would be fine if these reactors just did the reaction live on twitch and that was that but they upload a video on YouTube and compete for impressions and hurt the person they are reacting to.

>> No.65830615

>>65830547
>compete for impressions and hurt the person they are reacting to.
Those people were never going to watch the original anyways. Nice try though.

>> No.65830707

>>65830615
Bullshit. But they certainly not going to watch it twice.

>> No.65830812

>>65829695
How do pokimane's cookies taste?
>>65829774
Heh, yet another parasite

>> No.65830904

>>65830615
Okay so if they were never were going to watch them then why watch the video if the excuse that these leeches give is that thier watching of the video is adding to that snaller creator they are watching by showing smaller creator to a larger audience. unless the goal of doing that is skim attention and free work and content off of people who actually work to make videos . Just say that you think it's okay for them to just skim free content off of them

>> No.65830937

>>65830615
>Those people were never going to watch the original anyways
Its literally a known quirk of the algo; it likes longer videos, so it'll often push reacts to a video over the original since the react is longer and therefore preferable from an ad perspective

>> No.65832297

Are /vt/ threads talking about what happened in a stream react content creators? Are /vt/ threads making shit up original content creators? Should people that shit on people that do react content also shit on people that talk about streams?

>> No.65832741

>>65828882
Negro you watch grown-ass women pretend to be anime females for a bunch of pathetic no-pussy getting failures of males to fantasize about being with all day. Not only that, you post on a board dedicated to it. Have some self-awareness.

>> No.65833322

>>65832741
You are here too dude. Saying something that is self evident doesn't put you above it. You are here and you are probably posting this cause you lost the argument

>> No.65837004

>>65815918
Asmongold didn't react to her, he opened a random persons stream and it just so happened to be her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeBwLW0AFoQ

>> No.65838556

>>65837004
Noooo anon my disingenuous point about Asmon reacting to her stream as everyday react content doesn't work anymore.

>> No.65839990

>>65837004
>Doesn't react
>She benefits from it
Uhhh reactbros?

>> No.65840469

>>65839990
>People seething at react content even though OP has nothing to do with it
Its pretty crazy right, people in here fighting demons.

>> No.65840604

>>65840469
The OP does talk about react content
Retard

>> No.65840694

>>65840604
As the anon proved >>65837004, OP's pic has nothing to do with react content. It was disingenuous.

>> No.65840917

>>65840694
>OP's pic has nothing to do with react content
And? OP still used it to talk about react content, so people discussed react content.

>> No.65843210

>>65837004
What this really proves is how popular Japanese girls speaking English is.

>> No.65843414

>>65815918
I don't think it's a good idea to rely on twitch fleshtubers featuring you to make it big. Too often they use it to extract favours, promising to promote your channel if you do xyz or sending their fans after you if you refuse. The things that go on behind the scenes in most of these twitch circles is pretty gross.

>> No.65843478

>>65843414
surely you have examples and arent just talking out of your ass right?

>> No.65846319

>>65816099
being normal is so lame and overrated

>> No.65849967

>>65815918
qrd

>> No.65853128

>>65849967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNzoJUET1n4

>> No.65853610

>>65820073
I am genuinely curious, tell me

>> No.65853729

>>65819114
I stopped watching react content long time ago, well mostly, I still do click on asmon sometimes, very rarely. I don't consider it a reacting with friend, but I don't know, it's just fun, looking at chat to see them react to a thing you like, enjoy, or want to share. Also some shit I would never watch if not for react content. I wouldn't find someone like Internet Historian or animal tierlist channel, I don't remember the name.
I can't say I'm feeling parasocial towards streamer/chat reacting, but it's nice to share a thing, that I can't share with anyone else I guess.

>> No.65853749

Asmongoloid used to take 1 minute of content and turn it into 5 minutes of TALK TALK TALK
Don't tell me he's become XQC tier lazy?

>> No.65853936

>>65843478
Ollie's entire career

>> No.65854056

>>65853729
Also, to add, it's the same with a lot of games and vtubers. Im catching up on Bijou's DMC5 vods, do you really think I'm there for her B for Bijou mission rank? I'm there to see her reaction to the story and cutscenes, to see if she is having fun, because I had lots of fun with that game. I guess it's not really react content since she put an effort to get to those cutscenes...

>> No.65854066

>>65815918
She didn't earn it, deserved to stay a 2 view

>> No.65854101

Asmond has helped make JP notice how bad localizers are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISl42E3Qm6g

>> No.65857797

>>65815918
Fool

>> No.65861610

>>65853128
not watching that

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