Who will be in the EN4 EU?

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>>67493746
It’s pretty much confirmed that the next gen will have EU Vtubers and I’ve heard from sources that they’ll debut around Fall this year.

Other than GX Aura, who do we know/expect will be in the line up?

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>>67536541
Wait what happened to Aura ? Isn't she Opera's mascot, or did they abandon her ?

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Post yfw it's two Americans (one of whom lives in Japan), two Canadians, and a flip

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I only bother to learn about VTubers when they get through the hololive auditions, even though that's not really a fully sufficient filter, it helps. There are so many VTubers now. Are there any suspected candidates for next gen based on indie activities and other companies?

Spanish members would draw a big crowd to hololive I think.

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>>67536541
Anon, you do know that euro doesn't exist? Kiara was only allowed to join do to her living in Japan at the time.

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>>67536642
Her contract with them is coming up for renewal soon so it will be pretty much confirmed then. I’ve seen other sources saying she’s been telling her Vtuber friends about it too. Two anons in the previous thread mentioned her as well.

With Yagoo mentioned how he plans to expand into EU and all the new EU roles opening up, it’s all pretty much confirmed.

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>>67536541
They'll all stream at PST primetime so that CalifornianGODS can enjoy their cute ESL accents
>GX Aura
Chinese government plant, not joining Hololive

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>>67536953
So we confirm riro for EN4 then?

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>>67536835
One of my EU chuuba friends was interviewed but she got rejected because she said she didn’t plan to stay in the EU this year.

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which is more likely?
>everyone streams under one new branch, HoloEU
>different branch for different languages like HoloES, HoloFR, or HoloDE
>EU girls be part of EN4
>it will be an weird offshoot branch of EN like hope or regloss being just another JP

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Beryl.

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>>67536541
probably some random 2 views that cover can mold in idols, I can't think of any large indies that would work in hololive

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>>67537131
>new EU roles opening up
Is this on their website?

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damn, the EU cope gets more pathetic every year

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Pomu
Selen
Aura GX
Erika Byakko
Ophelia Midnight

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guarda silencio

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>>67537131
Only 50% valid if she graduated in these 3 months. Advents and regloss have training camp almost a year before debut.

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>>67536541
>I’ve heard from sources
>It’s pretty much confirmed
...

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>>67536541
Pippa Pebblesworth seems like prime Holo material

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>>67536541
this will end up like this anyways: Advertised as EU streamers, 5 members, all but one can speak Japanese, and none of them stream at EU time. Every time.

Oh and uncreatively uses broken Japanese on stream

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>>67538112
>almost a year before debut.
Let's give some context.

Shiori's pl was thinking about quitting vtubing, sounding sad and depressed, in december 22. She evidently was not in hololive yet. She graduated the 30th of may, and by then everything was advanced enough that she used Shiori assets for her graduation stream. She would eventually debut the 31th of july.
Even assuming the maximum possible time, we are looking at 8 months at most.
Now of course it is possible that given her experience she got a reduced training camp, and we can't tell precisely when she applied nor when she was accepted, but 8 months is the most. We can also tell that whatever training she did it was light enough that she kept the other channel.

FWMC graduated in early november, but I wasn't following them so I don't know if they did anything else between then and now, if the graduation was because of contracts etc.
Assuming they quit and went straight to holo as soon as they were accepted, it's 9 months of training.

Biboo's pl graduated 10 days before Shiori. Since I don't believe in coincidences, I believe that talents go through light training from when they get accepted until a couple of months before debuting, where things ramp up and they get their model and everything else.

Nerissa's pl last video was 6 months ago, she was doomposting around may-april 2023 so she might anxious due to training. Honestly I can't really make sense of it and I have to work now so I can't dig too much.


Anyway, those are some times.

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>>67536541
Fuck Jap for not picking up this girl, now she's gonna be an irrelevant 2view again

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>>67536541
I want queenpb for adorable British women accent and drawing/music talent

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>>67536541
>It’s pretty much confirmed that the next gen will have EU Vtubers

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>>67536835
I would not be surprised. Cover has been staring at this 6 hour gap in their schedule for years and they’ve only doubled and tripled down on ignoring it. They’re gonna debut 5 more NA prime time streamers, and EN will have their first 3views because there aren’t even enough NA viewers to sustain the people they have now when they overlap.

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>>67536541
what?
theres nothing in there aaying they will hiring EU?

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Hope they pick up Shondo

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>>67541428
I think OP has made the mistake of looking at things Cover is saying publicly (that EN is for "global expansion" and "is not HoloUSA", Yagoo saying they saw Europe as a viable market) and believing that would translate into streams they could watch, which is of course wrong, as EN management don't read their emails and believe their target market is the state of California

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>>67537624
HoloES might make sense (It's the second language spoken by most native people) but HoloFR or HoloDE?
For reference:
Indonesia has around 270 million people
Germany has 84 million people
France has 68 million people

HoloID aren't as relevant, and even their gens are made of 3 people instead of 5. If we directly apply that to Germany or France, you would get a "gen" made of only 1 talent. Finding 3 good talents in those countries would take time, and having to line up 3 of them for their debut would simply not be viable. They are not going to have someone on hold for a year while they find 2 other members.
I'm sure those gens would probably be a one time thing. There's not going to be a new HoloFR every one or two years. Unless Hololive changes their approach, so that these branches operate without gens and talents can just join whenever it's convenient.

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>>67537624
Honestly, I’m 90% sure it’s going to be EN4 from what I found out.

>>67537751
That’s right. A lot of people who got in for EN4 are 2-3 views. But you (probably) do know some of them - they’ve been discussed here before.

>>67537942
No to Pomu and Selen.

>>67538582
She’s definitely Holo material but she’s not in the EN4 lineup.

>>67538846
They’ve specifically hired girls who live in Europe.

>>67539156
Training is actually 6 months-ish. The reason EN3 took so long is because someone (Shondo) dropped out. But yes you’re essentially right. It’s not a year long by any means.

>>67539548
She’ll be in EN4.

>>67541643
They have in the past and she dropped out because the waiting time until debut was too long and they wanted her to graduate and wait.

Before everyone is like SOURCE??? you'll have to believe it’s all a rrat, because I heard this from my Vtuber friends who have interviewed with Hololive both for EN3 and upcoming EN4. I can’t mention names but you can screencapped this and share it ever there once EN4 EU chuubas debut.

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>my dad works at nintendo and told me that Zelda Lament of the fallen is coming out next year
Someone screencap this fool to grudgepost him at the end of the year

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>>67542533
>because someone (Shondo) dropped out.
Give me your rrat.

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>>67542533
>She'll be in EN4
Anon...I...

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>>67542533
>They’ve specifically hired girls who live in Europe.
This better be true. Brave pulled a 5 person mixed gen in Europe and 3 or 4 out of 5 (or 6 can't remember) were actually SEA who moved to europe

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>>67542499
This was said in the last thread about this, but their demographic want streams in English. This chart is the average number of people watching specifically English-language streams - EU primetime has more viewers than NA primetime, especially at the weekend where NA can watch the same streams during the day.

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>>67542694
Not a rrat, but I heard it from another vtuber. This is of course a secret and I am leaking it, but I’m sure many vtubers in the circle know. So make of it what you will.

>>67542721
Well now I’m leaking it all it’s possible she could get fired, like the Niji guy… but other anons mentioned her in the previous thread, so I’m pretty sure she’s told all of her Vtuber friends already.

>>67542733
A friend of mine who was interviewed by Holo was told that the reason they don’t have EU chuubas at the moment is because there aren’t any staff in that timezone at the moment, but it’s a opening in the market that they want to fill. This is proved by their hiring of EU staff.

As for whether they’re ethnically white?? I can’t say, but they live in Europe for sure.

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>>67542989
>Not a rrat, but I heard it from another vtuber
I'll be honest, I don't believe it. Nerissa is wholly different from Shondo, and FWMC is so unique as dual chuuba that it doesn't seem a replacement as well. Shiori had so much input in her design that it seems impossible she was a replacement. But it is true she talked about God giving her a gun so maybe...

Did this vtuber tell you who replaced Shondo and how advanced the talks were?

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>>67543201
It was Shiori who replaced Shondo
Holo often keeps people as back ups, and Shiori was unfortunately a back up
Apparently it’s because they wanted Shondo to graduate but they didn’t give her an exact date of when she would debut, they told her it could take up to a year, so she dropped out

That’s all I know, I’m sorry. I can’t confirm whether it’s true or not because it’s only what I was told, but other friends who were interviewed by Holo were told the same thing in the interview, that it could take a year for them to debut and they may have to wait a very long time if someone drops out after the graduation month and before debut month.

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>>67542499
About the france and germany vs indinesia thing… guy, median income in those two countries is many times over the one in indonesia.

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>>67543325
thats obvious horseshit, kys

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>>67542533
lol there's no way they would consider someone as schizo as Shondo

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>>67542533
How I know this is bs, holo doesn't make you graduate at all, much less well before the debut date.

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>>67542533
>They have in the past and she dropped out because the waiting time until debut was too long and they wanted her to graduate and wait.
Shondo has talked about it herself and she never mentioned time to debut. She said she got cold feet after getting part way through the audition process and seeing the character designs and hearing more detail on contracts.

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>>67543605
They stagger graduation times and tell the girls when to graduate.

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>>67543652
No they don't. Some never graduate at all they just go on hiatus. Some do it like a month before debut.

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>>67543647
Yes this could be the case. All I know is that she definitely passed the first two rounds and didn’t like the details, including the part of potentially waiting. At least it shows she cares more about her fans than stardom, so I respect her for that

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>>67543686
She's a schizo, but a fairly self aware one. The impression I got was that she realised she wasn't mentally up to what would be expected of her, at least at that time.
This was almost two years ago, she seems to be doing better now.

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Both Biboo and Shiori graduated a couple of months before officially debuting, so I really doubt Shondo would have had to wait that much.

>>67543781
>almost 2 years ago
Wait what
How long did gen 3 take to come around, christ

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>>67543799
Yeah, the timelines are all sorts of fucked, I can't really make them work. But I was in the Shondo stream when she talked about it.

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>>67543684
>hiatus cope
really nigga?

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>>67536835
Please noooo not this bitch ! EN4 will flop hard if she in there

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>>67537268
that sounds like a made-up story

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>>67536953
Honestly with how many weebs live in spanish speaking countries I'm surprised HoloES isn't already a thing

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>>67536541
They already struggle dealing with 1 retard from the EU, why are they bothering with more?

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>>67542533
beryl is phasejp

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>>67544518
Yeah instead they need more lazy americans that will stream once every two weeks.

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>>67544492
How does the Spanish speaking indie/smallcorp market do? I'm only vaguely aware of the shitshow that is Wactor.

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>>67544688
What would be the point in that? She didn't even stream in Japanese when she was in an actual JP small corp.

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>>67544693
It’s filled with whores. German-speaking vtubers are the same way too. I think it’s because these markets are too small on their own for vtubers who pander to weebs to survive, so they have to follow the twitch skinwalker meta. I suspect this is why any westerner who can stream in English does.

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>>67536541
>around fall
Fake. August and September are already taken by other gen anniversaries. October would be ridiculously late after the previous gen took two whole years of waiting and they're already streaming by themselves with Myth and Promise being constantly MIA.

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>>67544492
They mentioned in their last investor meeting that they'd abandoned looking at the Spanish-speaking market because they didn't think it would be worth the opportunity cost. They similarly abandoned the idea of a Korean-speaking branch before EN even existed. Interestingly they also said they were looking into debuting Europe-focused members in EN and there's been no news either way on that.

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>>67544898
it june this year, myth are september, council are august, advent are july. so it june and their en4 audition is may last year

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>>67543325
Really if you had said Biboo I might have believed you,

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if only ID4 debuted this quarter then ill really believe en4 will be in next quarter which is feb-may sigh

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>>67544898
If they were actually going to debut people streaming in euro hours then they're already far beyond ridiculously late. EN has only got harder to watch here over the last 3.5 years, and they obviously never cared. The people who wanted euro hours streams mostly gave up and left already, you can see that in how the posts about it on leddit and twitter fell off over the years.
How do you even market that in 2024? "Hey, we've been ignoring you for 4 years but you can have streams now"? I don't think the reaction is going to be as positive as they expect, or as they would have got in 2021 or 2022.

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>>67542533
We know the reason EN3 took a long time and this ain't it.
We also know that Cover had no plans to expand to Europe unless something has changed very recently.

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>>67546000
Like I said here >>67545072 they'd previously mentioned Europe and South America as future targets in an interview. When an investor asked them about this recently they said they'd dropped South America but didn't comment on Europe. I think the OP is writing retarded fanfiction but it was something they considered that still seems to be open.

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>>67536541
To be honest at this point I don't care much. Espesialy for some time I have hololive burnout and that made me seek something new. I found my true oshi. She speaks in my native language. Recently she had some fitght with griffter vtuber and my oshi was standing on gatekeeping the vtubing. She even want to elevet vtubing and she has true passion for it. So she's funding her own "corpo" from her own donos/sub on twitch.

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>>67545635
They actively forbid people from streaming in EU hours. Vesper wanted to, but was only allowed a secondary stream.
Could of course be limited to recent debutees.

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>>67536541
My wife Erika

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>>67546182
That's part of why I would expect the reaction to be mixed, anyone invested enough to still be around after this long with no convenient streams is in deep enough to be aware that management actively avoided having those streams.

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>>67546150
Riifu?

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>>67546498
Literally nothing matches except founding a corp, and her money is from onlyfans type shit not twitch.

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>>67539156
During debut Nerissa was sounding a little exhausted saying that she had been waiting a really long time to finally meet everyone as Nerissa. I would be dooming too if I was left hanging for 6-12 months pre-debut. It would be difficult to reconcile if she was only training for a month or two, at that point it would be like calm down it's only a few months.

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>>67546182
Nerissa has done it two or three times since she's been back. Mori streams in EU hours quite often. Just learn Japanese though and put streams on during work/study.

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I am so ready for the first EU banter and americans calling the EU girls racist over it

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>>67546182
It's only at debut, after that they can stream whenever but are still advised to stream in NA timezone.

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>>67549043
can we have some examples of this racist banter?

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>>67549103
Their regular audience is formed around the time they stream at debut, so forcing a time slot then basically locks them into it. I barely pay attention to most of holoEN because they usually stream while I'm asleep, so if they do one-off streams at a better time I'm not likely to notice.
The EN members who do semi-regularly dip into that time slot pretty noticeably put their less popular streams there, too. Like FWMC do some euro hours streams, but they're all VNs and superchat reading, stuff they already know will get fewer viewers.

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Me! I hope you're ready for British accent and have your teacups ready. Please ensure they are large as my cup size must be fittable into each one individually. My twist is I'm part italian so you will all be my little proscuitto cottos, my little canolis.

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>>67549043
Honestly, that would just confuse them European views of racism are more normal, and American views are unhinged.

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There's virtually no reason to get EU chuuba over an American and other way around. They are the same. It's all gonna be in english and they're all gonna be western with post-war american influence and culture. What EU needs is a merch store or more options to obtain merch.
>Timezones
We have jp vtubers for that.

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>>67549742
EU and NA culture and views are very different and have radically diverged more in the last few decades. That said, it's nothing that will actually come up in streams, because most of the fundamental differences are in things like politics, law, views on sex, and so on. If they're just singing and playing games it won't ever come up.

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>>67549742
Nah EU isn't really that bad of a timezone. There were times when FWMC, Kronii and others streamed at EU times and got good numbers. Honestly everyone really just hates Kiara, even in EU

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>>67549473
I sincerely hope you don't get in, you piece of dog shit. any /vt/ regulars aren't welcome in Hololive.

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>>67549980
well if there is ever a race draft are anons /here/ old enough to remember the chappelle show? SEA will claim her

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>>67549980
SEAfriends hate the EU timezone since it's the middle of the night for them. Remember that when someone starts seething about it.

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I already follow plenty of indies that stream the content I'm interested in. What would a potential HoloEU offer me that I don't already have?

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>>67550955
Nothing, don't worry about it.

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>>67550955
You could make this argument for the entirety of Hololive, or even all corpos.

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>>67542533
You got confirmation of Pomu to vshojo then?

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>>67550955
That but with a much bigger budget and a pre-established support network that lets them do more impressive stuff. Of course if you just want to watch someone play video games then that doesn't really matter

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>>67551199
>impressive stuff
You mean singing and dancing? I really don't care about that stuff.

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>>67536541
>HoloEU announced
>3 bongs, 1 nazi, and somehow one token leafcuck
>they all stream in pst/jst prime anyway
I've lost all hope...

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we JUST fucking got EN3, why do you need a fourth gen you absolute imbeciles?

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>>67552994
Because holoEN has 3 gens of burger hours streamers and a 6-hour block of dead air still on their schedule. People will keep asking for more content until they actually put some there.

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>>67553176
That's what REGLOSS is for.

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>>67542533
>No to Pomu and Selen.
HoloEN needs a few experienced veterans to shore up the diamonds in the rough.
Also it's retarded to pass up on Pomu who would go full idol with Kiara, and Selen, who would be coordinating events for HoloEN.

Unless Pomu shows up in the next few months at VShojo, she's a lock for Holo EN4.
Selen, we'll have to see what Kurosanji does to her, but there is zero chance she renews her contract even if shes not terminated/graduated.

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>>67554666
>Pomu is a lock
These threads said the same about Pikamee too

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>>67554738
To be fair Pikamee never had a clear nepotism way in and people just wanted her there
I don’t think I can claim where Pomu ends up but considering what hololive is I wouldn’t be shocked if she gunned for it

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>>67554666
I don’t believe she was interviewed at all for EN4. She might not have even applied. While I agree with you that Pomu would be great for Holo, unfortunately I don’t think Holo would ever hire an ex-Niji, purely to avoid the controversy that would come with it.

>>67551159
Sorry, I don’t know about Pomu and where she’s going. All I know is that she’s not in the EN4 lineup.

Regarding debut, I could totally be wrong about Fall. I wasn’t actually told an exact date other than “soon” (lol) but it could very well be May - June actually, if everything goes to plan (and nobody drops out).

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>>67554666
>>67555008
Just because you like someone or think they're a good streamer doesn't mean they'd be a good fit for hololive. Pikamee was a prime example, hololive is ultimately the most high-pressure high-stakes gig in vtubing and that's not what she wanted or needed.
HoloEN also does not need more people streaming video games at NA primetime, there's already more of that than people can watch. They should be prioritising people with a unique niche or who can appeal to markets they're not already covering (and yes, that includes EU primetime).

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>>67555139
>unfortunately I don’t think Holo would ever hire an ex-Niji, purely to avoid the controversy that would come with it.
Anon.....Also incoming:
>"but that was a different time!!!"
No one knows shit.

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Sources: My asshole

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>>67555205
But that has nothing to do with my post, it’s more believable that Pomu would be interested in hololive considering she has a way in through Kiara, or the fact that they could provide the opportunities nijisanj lacked. I’m just pointing out the difference between her and Pikamee in this situation especially when she never came across as the kind of person who was that interested in the things they do

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>>67554666
So hire experienced entertainers. Don't hire used up chuubas that got in on the ground floor. They had their chance and is nothing else, Advent shows how they all had tons of baggage.

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>>67555267
Holo hiring an ex NijiJP when they were a small unknown company is completely different and you know it. You also know that if Pomu turned up in Hololive, the entire Vtubing fan community would be screaming about how Holo is a poaching company etc. Not only that, Pomu’s PL literally had nudes openly on the internet. While I don’t own Hololive, even I know that’s not the kind of brand image they’re going for.
And I say all this with no ill will against Pomu. I really like her and I really wish u was wrong.

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>>67555619
You can even remove her Kiara connection. She's simply a massive idol fag, that wants to do 3d content that is idol based. There is no reason as for why she wont at least try.

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>>67555793 (me)
Sorry, typos.
Has nudes*
Wish I was wrong*

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>>67555793
First off, retard.
>a small unknown company
It was post-gen 3 anon. It wasn't someone getting scouted like like back in the gen 1 days when they were literally no one. We simply don't know.

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>>67555832
The only reason why Pomu says no is for work related crap.

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>>67536541
forsen

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It might surprise people but the bar is still very low. You want old talents that quit or got fired from other corpos to join another corpo, but there are more people out there that deserve it more and have more to offer. People want gens to be new and refreshing, and not to find out they're another washed up gen.

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>>67536541
Yagoo please... save Selen...

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>>67536541
god I hope Aura leaves. Opera is getting more and more shit and Aura just gets caught in the crossfire

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>>67555139
Pomu couldn't apply because she was still contractually bound by Nijisanji. Now that she graduated, she's free to do so. Also, you make it sound like EN4 is already picked when their debut is a not going to happen until the fall, at the earliest.

>>67555736
They are both experienced entertainers who deserve better than kurosanji. Hololive is that.

>>67554738
>>67555205
Both Pomu and Selen have contacts in Hololive and would be more comfortable with what would be asked of them than Pikamee, it's really an apples and oranges comparison,.

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>>67555619
I'm just using Pikamee as an example, but it applies to any NijiEN members you want to speculate about too. They may be a safe pick, but do they want to move to a higher pressure environment right now? Do they or Cover want to deal with the inevitable drama? And, would they fit in with whatever Cover's overall plan for the next generation is? That last one especially, because I know a lot of EU timezone people have said Cover never even looked at their audition video.

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>>67555793
If polka can get in I don’t see why anyone else can’t

>>67556349
If someone wants to leave Nijisanji because they aren’t getting opportunities or their projects can’t come out what makes you think there’s even a question that they wouldn’t mind going to hololive where they get to do all those things and more?

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>>67556493
I'm saying it doesn't matter if they want to go to hololive, it matters if Cover thinks they'd fit into whatever their plans are. Like, say the OP's fanfiction about a euro hours gen is true, would they hire Americans for it even if they're great streamers? Maybe not, because we already know the opposite was happening, EN2/EN3 auditions from people in Europe went straight into the garbage.

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>>67556493
>If someone wants to leave Nijisanji because they aren’t getting opportunities or their projects can’t come out what makes you think there’s even a question that they wouldn’t mind going to hololive where they get to do all those things and more?
If you want to aim for the top, you go to Hololive.
If you want to take it easy, but have stability, you go to Vshojo.
This only applies to Ex-nijis though, people like Pikame or any small corpo vtuber would see Vshojo as a step up for growth.

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>>67556292
Selen would fit the APEX niche for EN but Pomu just feels redundant. if you seriously want cover to do their magic, let them find some 2-view again.

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If you ran a business yourself you wouldn't over-extend by developing too many flavors and alternative packaging. You wouldn't produce more new variations that don't fundamentally change the product or target a new section of the market.
So why do anons keep making suggestions along those lines? Even if it doesn't cause financial problems for the company it will be taken as "proof" that expansion is no longer feasible.
Hopefully they actually focus on expanding the kinds of entertainment they provide instead of just providing more of it. But I understand most anons are too selfish to take their head out of their ass for five seconds before posting their great ideas.

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>>67556292
>They are both experienced entertainers who deserve better than kurosanji. Hololive is that.
No. They're all amateurs and only professional as a technicality. They were platformed amateurs and now they lost their platform but still have lingering fans due to that platforms. Unlike many indies that developed their own platform and have more to offer creatively and experience with the industry rather than relying on an agency.

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>>67556739
>Selen would fit the APEX niche
And she'd be putting together events for EN similar to what Ame did before she got burned out. There's zero reason HoloEN shouldn't go after someone like Selen.

>but Pomu just feels redundant
>Having more idols in a company that focuses on idols is redundant
This is anti level straw grasping.

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>>67555991
This so much, no offense to pomu and selen but they had their spotlight, i rather cover gives chances to hungry who 2views.

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>>67542499
there is a reason why idol corp has been pushing their idolES dates further and further, the market is awful

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>>67556919
>This is anti level straw grasping.
Its not out of being an anti

I just don't think Pomu would do well in hololive past the idol stuff. but thats just me.

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>>67556994
Pomu legitimately doesn’t need to do anything drastically differently, nor does she need to be particularly unique for a new gen member, people are acting like everyone needs a gimmick coming in when that was never the case

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>>67556918
>They work in a professional, corporate environment, so they're still amateurs. 2 view Indies, who don't work in such an environment and have zero corpo experience are the real professionals!

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>>67557218
Exactly. That's what a technicality is. It's like when streamers bitch and moan at their viewers and pull the "pro" card because they technically do get paid to play video games. But there's no reason to respect it more than anyone else. Big indies will always have more actual hands on experience in any type of content creation if you want to make an experience argument. Another analogy is hiring a salary man from a shady company versus hiring a successful self-employed small business owner.

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>>67536541
>i've heard from sources
ok so you're making shit up, understood

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Do you guys think Pomu will join, maybe?

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>>67554666
>Selen, we'll have to see what Kurosanji does to her
Serioulsy, where the fuck is she? Hope she's ok.

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>>67536541
Unicorns already tired of the dogs and rock loli that they're calling for a new branch 5 months after the third brand debuted.

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>>67557931
Anon, they stream at 3AM and 1AM respectively in the time zone this thread is talking about. People want regular streams they can watch, this isn't hard.

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>>67557542
>Hands on experience
>self-employed
All your excuses means jack shit the moment you run head first into buzzsaw that is corporate bureaucracy. You might be a successful small business owner, but you're still a big fish in a little pond operating under your own rules, and the corporate environment is a lot more unforgiving. This is why Pomu and Selen are a better fit, they're fully prepared to deal with that and be team players.
Only an anti would be against hiring them if they applied to EN4.

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>>67540156
>adorable British women accent and drawing/music talent
You already have Ame, Ina and Calli for that.

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>>67558130
They can watch kiara.

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>>67558288
So you're saying euros are hearing impaired?

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>>67558288
Kiara has the opposite problem, a lot of her streams start at 4-5PM so by the time you're actually free to watch anything you've missed 2-3 hours. If you look at >>67542981 the problem is pretty obvious.

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>>67550770
night shift workers don't hate em since we get a large gap of no streams in the middle of our shift.
t. Seanig

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>>67558137
My guy, if you think being a company employee is the hardest thing to learn you are literally pulling excuses out of your ass. That said they're not really corporate workers in that sense. They're working from home, working as basically contractors. That's why your point is stupid and why it will never materialize as an advantage. Besides relying heavily on irrelevant technicalities the rest of your assumptions are fan fiction.

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>>67558386
No, I'm saying they can watch Kiara who stream in their timezone. Why wouldn't you want to be tortured by her. Is just listening to her talk anon. She's the complete gfe package for all of you.

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>>67558431
Yeah but is there's even a guarantee profit return for this. You know what I'm on board if ID can get multiple branches throw EU bros a bone.

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>>67558715
It's been mentioned many times in threads like this, but Europe has spent more on Japanese media than NA has for the last 40 years. People are certainly willing to spend money if, you know, someone actually sells them a product.

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>>67536541
yeah, holoEU:
"spanish" (flip that learned spanish from granpa colonizer)
"hollander" (indonesian that learned netherlandish from grandpa colonizer)
"french" (Quebec/Canada)
"italian" (New Yorker)
and "brit" (from Hong Kong)

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>>67558809
Nips think europe is either full of polar bears or french, please undastand

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Keep wishing all you want but papa Riku won't let his ex-properties goes to rival company.

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>>67559142
This isn't a Japan thing, it's uniquely a Cover thing. It's funny that you mention France, because more manga gets officially translated into French than English. Back in the day all the scanlations you'd find online were secondary translations from French.

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>>67559142
Not a bad thing. I heard some chuuba being surprised at a Japanese and French production, not realizing Japanese and French studios have worked together since the 80s.

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>>67559142
The French for anime and manga, the Dutch for video games, the Germans for racism.

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>>67558854
This is pretty accurate considering their previous gens.

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honestly?
Who cares at this point. I am only here for drama. Got a job now and no time to pretend the hoe on the other side of the stream is my gf.

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>>67559441
don't forget the tanks, every nip knows about the tiger

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>>67559222
Agree, these nijibeggar don't know reality. their liver will reincarnating to vshojo. hololive need 2view indie that deserve the spot and has commitment to the job.

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>>67536541
Pomu, Pippa, Panko, Selen

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>>67558527
Now you're just being retarded on purpose. Being a corporate vtuber is what gives Selen and Pomu a leg up over everyone else. Also the fact you're trying to also bullshit and claim their experience doesn't count is baffling, retarded even.
If you think being a successful indie going into the corporate environment always works. Look at Zaion or Vesper.
Also the fact that Vshojo and Hololive would massive step ups for both Selen and Pomu just going off Matara and Kuro's experience compared to Nijisanji.

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People are actually talking about EN4 even though we're not even half a year in the career of the Advent girls, this is funny as fuck. They're not releasing anything new before at least a year, and actually believing that they'll hire random chicks graduating from other companies has shown to be a retarded idea since a long time.

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>>67542499
>Indonesia has around 270 million people
>Germany has 84 million people
>France has 68 million people

because english is only spoken in England, right you stupid faggot?
There are way more french and german speakers than Indonesian speakers and those who speak those languages got shitloads of disposable income

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>>67549473
>proscuitto cottoS, my little canoliS
burger-tier fake italian detected

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>>67561025
Well they went at a breakneck pace with the homos.
I could see them debuting another EN gen quickly to "make up for lost time"

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>>67561383
noone outside germany speaks german and anyone who speaks french outside france is either canadian or or a pretentious art faggot

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>>67561549
You're comparing the homos, who got another generation just to try and generate more hype on a project that was already dying after a few months, to Advent, a generation that is doing really well and has seen the arrival of multiple girls who will surely be key to the success of the branch in the next years. Thinking that these two projects have the same standards is absolutely retarded.

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>>67561025
cover said they are accelerating overseas branch in financial report. EN4 will happen before june.
the gap between tempus2 and armis is 10 month so it checked out

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>>67561745
Then i'll believe it when I see it

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Advent didn't work well enough, so they're sacking Jap and hiring Klopp at the end of the season from Liverpool. It all makes sense now, that's why they're changing their strategies.

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>>67561670
>noone outside germany speaks german
here are 2 examples of other countries
also, Ellie will most certainly apply if this ever happened, since she asked Kiara so many questions about vtubing and seemed genuinly intrigued

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Huh better get my application in

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>>67536541
Anons were claiming there would be EU talents in EN3 and the same thing is happening with EN4. Might happen by random chance but Cover has never shown that much interest in hiring European vtubers. Japanese corpos are so attached to networking that HoloEN will likely be from the same countries as previous gens.

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>>67561855
actually you only need to wait for confirmatio until holoen tweet an audition. they also tweeting one or two month (i forgot) before advent debut

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>>67543684
Some of them even remain active on their RM.

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>>67561025
Cover obviously sees the EU timezone as a different market given how they've pointedly ignored it this whole time, so the pace of what are effectively HoloNA gens isn't really relevant. If they debuted 5 people who streamed at around the current time of day they wouldn't be cannibalizing the rest of EN at all, whereas it absolutely would be too early for more NA primetime streamers.

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>>67550654
bruh they already have wutang

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>>67561383
>450 million people speak French
yeah and most of those are worthless poor nignogs in Africa
(the rest are nignogs in France, lmao)

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>>67560842
And what are you going to do when they don't get in? Are you going to get on the threads and apologize for making up stories and wasting people's time? No, you're not. You're going to pretend you never shitposted all this time as if you could somehow materialize it into reality by overthinking it. But who knows. Anything is possible and maybe you're right that knowing how to make the right adjustments on their taxes will be what gets them hired over actually talented entertainers.

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>>67561383
Indonesian is also the main SECOND LANGUAGE in Indonesia. It's a lingua franca for trade, business, and science, just like English in the EU. No point arguing with anons that just want to win narrowly defined intellectual arguments.

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It's like you could argue about all the EU anons using the main language of their country when they post or use Youtube or Tiktok. Obviously they don't, duh. Exceptions prove the rule.

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Wasn't there id gen 4 coming this year?

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>>67563055
>Now shifting his argument entirely to personal attacks because he lost on the merits.
It's be cover's lost for not hiring them and they should be rightfully shit on for that.

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>>67563934
At this point it's most likely they'll get announced at holofes.

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>>67564170
Ok thx

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>>67558431
Fauna starts her streams at times ranging from 3 PM (West) - 6 PM (East) for America yet she has some of the highest CCV in HoloEN. I think that if Euros were genuinely interested in Hololive then more would watch Kiara.

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>>67544771
Rrat is that PhaseJP not only offered her the opportunity as the "center" of the group due to Fishman's admiration of her talents, but the logistical support also let her stay in Japan. Also, she has friends in Phase.

PhaseJP isn't getting much mileage right now, but you can't say they haven't tried.

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>>67564065
You're too up in your own head. You never presented a good argument, just what you want to be true and nonsense. That said, you started with the name calling and personal attacks a few posts back and I would hardly call that response a personal attack. Even if you feel personally attacked by being called out on your obvious nonsensical bias, it's not as direct as calling people retards. So I don't know who you're trying to convince now, because I doubt you're even convincing yourself.

You will see what happens and then think back on this, but also think about all the excuses you will end up making. And that's what your argument will be worth my guy. It's just that you haven't realized it yet but others have and that's who you're calling retarded.

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>>67564611
That's a stupid argument, if you apply the same logic to other members you'd be arguing they should pack it up in Japan because fewer people watch Roboco.

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>>67564611
Kiara is just annoying.
Fuwamoco morning is at evening.
Kaelas time evening and night streams are at good time, usually making it possible to watch her whole "shortstreams."

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>>67565229
The arguments are were extremely sound, your counter claims boiled down to.
>Vtubers who have experience with corporate vtubing have less experience for being a corporate vtuber then those who are indies.
Which is moronic at best. The fact you're resorting to gaslighting now has us moving into bad comedy. The points remain, Selen and Pomu have experience that no 2 view currently has and would make them a superior hire for Cover.

It's extremely clear you're just an anti for Pomu and Selen. That we don't even have to debate given how you think that experience that is unique to them at the moment doesn't matter and they shouldn't be apart of EN4, the only question now is it because your Nijisister or tribalfag holodrone?
Either one will not reflect well on you. But based on your style, I'm guessing tribalfag.

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numbermonkeys are too stupid to understand market saturation

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>>67565131
>the opportunity as the "center" of the group
I mean, they certainly are propping her up as the performer of the group
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdgsr9QHfd8

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> It’s from EU
> Is the number 1 female Streamer on Twitch
> Appeared out of nothing and became one of the top viewed Vtuber in less than 1 year.
> Easily gets 10k+ views
> Have abilities to stand out and create different types of content

Vedal confirmed to be in EN4

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>>67566789
sorry, already makes more than >80% of HoloEN

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Isn't it funny that the most popular EU Vtubers (Kiara, Saruei, Shylily etc) all stream in English for a primarily NA audience?

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Give me the tower of babel gen!
Each girl from a different country and will only speak in her native language, every collab will result in complete chaos.

[Anonymous No.]

Freya Fuyuki is free again isn't she?

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>>67542499
half of Africa speak French. And they're roughly in the same timezone as France. An untapped pool of 450 million people

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>>67567474
>Anonymous

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>>67567768
Africans hate vtubers

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The absolute state of Europoors.

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>>67567809
>[citation needed]

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>>67566924
>Kiara
>Streams primarily for an NA audience
Anon I think you might have brain damage

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>>67566924
holy mother of retarded comments

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>>67566924
orcat <3

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>>67561873
That was a good stream. Would 1v1 her.

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>>67549473
You fucking retard idiot whore
I hope you make it in

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>>67537624
Here's what's most likely:
>EN4 debuts
>It's NA, AUS, and slightly JP-centric again
>Euros complain and continue to be irrelevant
>World continues to turn

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>>67571251
Again, Europe watches more streams than NA does and spends more on weeb shit than NA does. They're only irrelevant to hololive by Cover's choice, and it's incredibly weird that they ignore such a huge market while EN is the only branch that's not growing in viewership and you can literally see them cannibalizing each others' viewers in NA primetime overlap. If they shove out 5 more PST streamers they're going to be 3views.

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>>67541643
Shondo is THE most hardcore indie on the whole continent, going so far as to handle all merch herself (and family) personally.

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>>67542499
French, German, and Spanish will most likely earn more money than Indonesian. But speaking English is the safest bet even if they would make a HoloEU branch.

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>>67561670
Senegal is known for its pretentious art faggots.

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>>67561670
>noone outside germany speaks german
Austria? Switzerland? a lot of people on the continent being GSLs instead of ESLs? it could work in theory, but they still have to be better than the indie scene

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>>67564611
I'm not going to watch Kiara because I don't like Kiara. That doesn't mean I dislike Hololive as a group.

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>>67536541
>Hololive En Gen 4: Holo Continental
>5 girls whose overall designs and motifs are based on Halloween Costume-tier cultural stereotypes
>Italian Holo who make-a da pizza
>French Holo with baguette attachment who plays accordion live on stream during her debut
>Spanish Holo who has a matador costume
>Dutch Holo who is more of a stoner than Kronii
>Greek Holo who has no money

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>>67564611
>I think that if Euros were genuinely interested in Hololive
finally someone who gets it! we're in general more interested in indies or random chuubas from an org.
t. European Henyafag

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>>67572669
I mean, for a lot of people the primary reason they're not interested in hololive is that they're functionally impossible to watch live, which is a problem for a group largely focused on live streaming. People will argue VODs are just as good, but they're not, which is why people also complain about overlap and why the schedules exist in the first place.

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>>67573597
can't speak for everyone of course, but the atrocious rigging filters me from even clipfagging holos. quite a shame, some of them have really amazing fanart otherwise

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>>67574430
Did you time travel here directly from 2019 or are you just one of those people who thinks making every part of the model constantly bounce and shake like it's made of jello in an earthquake is "better"

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>>67574530
it's not about bounciness, it's how weirdly their face moves with their heads, it's actually uncanny valley for me.

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>>67574801
That's not related to the tech though, that's down to the original rigger, and the only ones I remember being bad are Gura and Anya. Fuwamoco in particular have really good rigging and are very expressive.

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>>67574883
I tried watching Mumei mainly because she also has amber eyes... tried being the operating word.