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Did niji EN mog Holo EN of the top talent, in the EN scene? did holo finally fuck up in their talent scout?

>> No.6791090

>>6791038
No, and No. UNITY LOVE.

>> No.6791106

>>6791090
/thread

>> No.6791116

>>6791038
I don't know and I don't care, I'm going to plug all the holes of that fucking white fox

>> No.6791120

We'll know when HoloEN2 comes and Avril isn't there.

>> No.6791173

>>6791038
If hiring a boring bugmen who doesnt like lewds of herself is the Gura killer I don't know what clown world im living in.

>> No.6791199

>>6791038
Niji just hired a bunch of literal who has been indy chuubas from the same social circle. Hololive will hire non former Vtubers who are actually talented.

>> No.6791248
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>>6791038
>backstabbing bitch
>chink brontosaurus
>chink penguin gura

>> No.6791260

>>6791199
Ame......

>> No.6791288

>>6791038
Irys was a miss and only one of the new niji girls is a miss as well.

We'll see with holoEN2

>> No.6791314

>>6791038
HoloEN had only 2 members with Vtubing experience while the other 3 were just talents with little to no vtubing or streaming experience. They'll be fine.

>> No.6791361

>>6791314
Only mori and Kiara didnt have vtuber experience

>> No.6791428

>>6791199
But anon what does Ame have to do with this?

>> No.6791551

Holoen is boring idk if they were always this boring or I personally got bored of them, but Nijien has brought back my love for vtubers cant say the same for Irys

>> No.6791592

>>6791288
>IRyS is a miss
Nijishills at peak cope

>> No.6791649

>>6791551
contrarian shill

>> No.6791658

>>6791038
>jumping to conclusions before Holo EN gen 2 has even debuted yet
How about you just fuck off and wait?

>> No.6791679

>>6791038
Hololive English doesn't want gaming or former vtuber talent. They want content creators and people who live in Japan.
Enjoy EN2 being a bunch of Moris and Iryses.

>> No.6791693

>>6791288
So this is the legendary Nijicope

>> No.6791699

>>6791038
Nope

>> No.6791789
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low quality bait

>> No.6791795

>>6791551
I get you anon. I think it's the restrictions Cover puts on them that make it hard for them to talk normally. Ame and Mori would definitely be more comfortable saying whatever comes to mind.

>> No.6791840

>>6791038
Yes. Hololive waited too long to do auditions for more EN members. At least they have Kiara, right?

>> No.6791862

>>6791679
>generic "gamer gurls" vs singers/utaites
I rather watch people with talent rather than people whose sole personality is being a girl

>> No.6791898

>>6791840
>Hololive waited too long to do auditions for more EN members
where is holoEN 2??
it is been so long D:

>> No.6791989

>>6791679
I will. I like both of those girls.

>> No.6791990

>>6791898
Hololive is taking their time to find good talent as opposed to Niji who just raided Artemis' sex dungeon.

>> No.6792166

>>6791199
>Hololive will hire non former Vtubers who are actually talented
Ame....Mori.....Kiara.....

>> No.6792245

>>6791990
If by good talent you safe and secure then you're right. Though Cover is blowing their intuitive by taking it slow and sluggish within a fast paced industry.

>> No.6792339

>>6791990
>as opposed to Niji who just raided Artemis' sex dungeon.
Petra isn't from that circle of vtubers. Her circle was mostly Japanese.

>> No.6792522

>>6791551
>I like these girls for bringing new stuff to the table even though its the same stuff smaller groups like Tsunderia or Prism have been doing for months since before NijiEN was a thing
Wanna know how I know you're just a contrarion?

>> No.6792571

>>6791199
How does that explain IRyS?

>> No.6792625

>>6792339
And funnily enough she's the boring one

>> No.6792652

>>6791248
>gura invented hoodies
the state of holotrannies

>> No.6792953
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>>6792652
>holotrannies
Ironic

>> No.6792984

>>6792245
>Though Cover is blowing their intuitive by taking it slow and sluggish within a fast paced industry.
Dude nijiEN took fucking ages, don't kid yourself

>> No.6793065

i am scared hololive is getting complacient, since beggining of the year they are taking some questionable decisions

>> No.6793138

I would encourage everyone, regardless of who you follow or watch, to ignore blatant garbage threads like this in the future. Stop giving wastes of oxygen like OP a reason to continue.

>> No.6793176

>>6793065
They are, and it doesn't matter because they'll stay on top and make the most money no matter how little they try.

>> No.6793190

>>6792953
This image kills the Nijinigger

>> No.6793207

>>6792953
Those are the good kind.

>> No.6793210

When HoloEN Gen 2 debuts you motherfucker won't shut up about it and spam the board with fucking threads endlessly.
Niji faggots will cope like always.

>> No.6793222

>it's okay when they are boring as fuck because they are 'talented'
What is this Holocope?

>> No.6793254

>>6792953
>people are comfortable with themselves
>NO THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO MY RETARDED STANDARDS CAUSE IM 15 AND MY DAD HITS ME

>> No.6793367

>>6793254
they can't tell people who just happen to be gay/trans apart from the Americans who make it their entire identity and scream at people on twitter all day

>> No.6793388

>>6793222
When Gen 2 have half a million subs before even debuts, with another couple of Calli like chubas that release massively successful songs, and with another Gura like chiba that is another breakthrough success, and completely mogging NijiEN in viewership, you Nijis will be the ones coping, like you always do.
Its called Nijicope for a reason.

>> No.6793420

>>6791038
Cover having "great talent scouts" has always been a meme and isn't meant to be taken seriously.

>> No.6793444

Hololive and nijisanji have completely different recruitment strategies for the EN branches.

Hololive is grabbing Experienced Content Creators on the basis that streaming and gamin can be taught easier than Content Creating can.
Nijisanji is seemingly instead judging that a good rapport cannot be taught so they're seeding with indies that already know each other so that the rapport already exists instead of hoping it develops organically.

>> No.6793445

NijiEN seems like they just went for already popular or well-known EN vtubers, and I don't think that's necessarily a good thing because popularity definitely doesn't directly correlate with quality when it comes to vtubers. If they keep up this method I think a lot of better talent is going to fly straight under their radar.

>> No.6793447

>>6793190
I have no problem with it actually. My oshi is a flaming homo

>> No.6793543

I hope the new dragon leaves niji and joins hololive

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>>6791090

>> No.6793697

>>6793420
They are if you compare them to niji's scouts
>the last jp gen are all irrelevant aside from chigusa and hisui, and only because her last costume is pure sex and one of the best alt costumes ever

>> No.6793818

>>6793367
they're udneraged or /pol/fag failures at life who like leftists want to make everyone miserable because they are nobodies

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>>6793388
IRyS exists doesn't she? Surely she'll release massively successful songs left, right, and center.

>> No.6794024

>>6792953
lmao

>> No.6794312

>>6793388
>muh numbers
Why are holobronies like this?

>> No.6794362

>>6793818
oh god please kys already

>> No.6794494

>>6794362
cope and seethe faggot.

>> No.6794571

>>6791090
Unitychads inclining..

>> No.6795795

>>6793445
>Popular
Anon they were a bunch of 2 views one of them was a png tuber. Hololive was the one who hired a bunch of well known talents and Ame for HoloEN.

I love both groups but come in now.

>> No.6795905

>>6791038
U mean nijicn?

>> No.6796333
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Unironic opinion, I think HoloEN tops them in terms of artistic talent for the most part, but NijiEN is more entertaining overall because they feel like close friends. Still not on the level of the JP members though

>> No.6796578

the problem that hololive EN and hololive in general will face is the need to have the best talents, cause this are the problems in comparison with nijiEN:
- in hololive EN, the talents are good but the chemistry between them is not as good, everyone is way better in their own, anyone can tell, the only kinda decent pairing is ame gura, calli kiara is forced AF and ina is too calm to create a good atmosphere with any of the other 4, in this im referring to funny and exciting moments with her is mostly calm streams.
- this being the reason why gamers worked well for hololive cause korone and okayu already knew each other and can make collabs withouth akwardness (sorry if i cant go deeper on mio or fubuki cause i dont really watch them a lot)
- this problem happens in a lot of works in the society, be movies, tv shows, sports or normal places of work, if you hire only the best people, yeah you will get the best results but the atmosphere between them may not be as good/friendly.
- Now nijiEN so far from doxxing reps elira and pomu already knew each other, finana i think was making collabs with some vtubers b4 debut (idk if she made it with pomu or elira) the thing is even tho their numbers may not be hololive tier, their collabs with each other feel more natural and entertaining, the same is happening now with the 2nd wave, rose being in that indie vtubing comunity group with pomu and elira, selen may not be so related but she already has a place and seems really open with the others, the only concern rn is petra who is kinda new to the way EN does things.
- Finally, holoEN has waaay more pressure and eyes on them, we can clearly see it from the way management restricts them, the only one that seems that can have some freedom is ame. This doesnt happen with nijiEN cause of their low subs, maybe at the start they had a lot of pressure but now management seems to just let them do and behave however they want obviously withouth doing something overly stupid, everyone has freedom, may not earn as much money but at least are happier.
- The point is hololive needs to understand that talent isnt really everything, they need to hire people who are already friends with each other or are not socially akward in exchange of being either a godlike artist or singer

>> No.6796875

>>6796578
This but without hiring people who were friends before, this is pure nepotism. Just hiring people who are not superstars and letting them grow is enough to make bonds because you are improving along your new friends and creating memories

>> No.6796887

I Guess we can't have a talk about the state of the industry without tribalfagging who knew?

>> No.6796901

>>6791840
I will take German over chink.

>> No.6797008

>>6795795
>Anon they were a bunch of 2 views
Pomu and Elira's past lives typically broke 100 viewers. And after Pomu debuted her 2.0 model, she was hitting 200 viewers for a couple of weeks before she announced graduation.

>> No.6797009

>>6792571
Pretty sure she sang in an anime op or ed before which mean she is not a literally who.

>> No.6797091

>>6796875
>Nepotism is bad
>Fubuki and Miko bringing their friends in got Hololive two of their biggest names ever
>HoloEn can't even hold a full collab zatsu while Lazulight can make an impromptu collab stream about pressing a button for 4 hours entertaining through sheer group chemistry

>> No.6797154

>>6796875
yeah this, i was kinda wrong with the friends cause that can also be bad for the company in some cases, thats also why nijiEN feels better cause they arguably were nobodies that get a big opportunity instead of already being successfull

>> No.6797279

>>6793697
You're working under the assumption that if any of the holomems had debuted in a different agency, they would be able to attract a similar or proportional audience size to their current one.

But I suppose we do have a few members we can use to compare metrics from their time in other agencies before they joined hololive.

>> No.6797442

>>6791038
>almost all of them are basic Chinese Cancuck chicks
>top talent

>> No.6797443

>>6797154
I think Nijisanji at least for now is actually striking a good balance. They aren't exclusively hiring from a single friend group, they're more 'seeding' existing friends into their waves. We'll have to see how well they continue that but it's good for now.

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>>6791038
Yep, Nijisanji redeemed EN vtubing

Holos for JP
Nijis for EN

>> No.6797611

>>6797091
Not always, but usually only leads to troubles. Imagine if Korone graduates, Okayu would graduate too and Fubuki wouldn't be the same
Also the nepotism is a gacha, Cover got lucky that they brought actually good people, but you know that in most cases people just bring retards who are not even qualified for that job

>> No.6797620

>>6792953
based

>> No.6797688

>>6792953
The absolute state of nijisanji

>> No.6797792

>>6792953
OH NO NO NIJITRANNIES BROS THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE OUR TIME

>> No.6797809

>>6797611
You do realize that they have to pass an interview too right? Nepotism just gets you through the door, you still need to convince the company that you aren't more suited for a background tech role or unsuited entirely

>> No.6797904

>>6797442
Mixed race most likely.

>> No.6797917

>>6793444
>on the basis that streaming and gaming can be taught easier than Content Creation

You know what's harder than both? Teaching awkward introverts how to be sociable. People flocked to Hololive for the "Family" aspect, things like SMOK and the 5th gen, groups of friends having fun and letting their hidden talents bloom. HoloEN they went all in on people who can make stuff but even coming to a year there is an awkwardness in their full gen collabs compared to Lazulight who at one month have great impromptu collabs either in MC (ironically enough something people praised HoloJP for) or even just hanging out while another is streaming.

>> No.6797992

>>6797917
anon did you not finish reading my post, that's basically exactly what i wrote about nijisanji doing.

>> No.6797995

>>6796875
Nothing wrong with nepotism.

>> No.6798023

>>6797519
Good post.

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>>6797611
>Cover got lucky that they brought actually good people
you werent there when korone was so fucking BAD

>> No.6798119

I don't know but the penguin is lovely.

>> No.6798156

>>6798092
was korone's debut really that bad?

>> No.6798222

>>6797279
I mean being honest, even without comparing numbers to holos the other 3 members that aren't chigusa and hisui deserve to be irrelevant, they're boring as shit

>> No.6798320

>>6797992
I was agreeing with you. Just bringing up the irony that NijiEN is forming up like HoloJP did back in the day while HoloEN is basically trying to make super streamers who interact much more rarely. Only time will tell what approach is "right" but I would place my bet on NijiEN inclining alot if they keep it up.

>> No.6798321

>>6798156
korone didnt know how to stream, the technical problems werent cute they were insufferable

>> No.6798427

>>6798119
Why are you a chink?

>> No.6798445

>>6791038
>did holo finally fuck up in their talent scout?
they thought they can give people an ugly design and get away with it, and they wouldve too if Niji weren't there to provide another option

>> No.6798678

>>6792984
And? Now it's here. Zoom. NijiEN is moving fast as fuck boy. Try to keep up.

>> No.6798700

>>6798320
Honestly my suspician is: either strategy would be 'right' for hololive's place in the EN market, but nijisanji's strategy is the only strategy that can keep them competitive at all in the EN market.

>> No.6798743

>>6798427
Again, thinking they're not hapas at this point.. Is this the only thing Holobros have left…?

>> No.6798763

>>6793222
A miserable pile of regrets

>> No.6798913

>>6798320
>HoloEN is basically trying to make super streamers who interact much more rarely
how much do you guys think collabs matter to an audience?

>> No.6798963

>>6798700
until people realize the problem with holoEN or some big youtuber wants to get in trouble and calls them out for the social akwardness problem

>> No.6799000

>>6791038
APEX is a debuff game for Holos so I'd say they're fine.

>> No.6799224

>>6798913
>how much do you guys think collabs matter to the company?
fixed, thats the question you should be thinking about

>> No.6799275

>>6798913
its not about if it matters or not, dude they are making gens not releasing single talents, they are supposed to engage with each other like any other vtubing company does, like any other thing in life involving groups, you are right that recently on some other vtubers channels collabs may seem to not do as well but cause they make collabs with people from other companies or indies, in hololive collabs is a big part of them, they need to do group streams for anniversaries, on birthday calls, when they are hired by some company to play a game, there is a lot of things in the long run that requires them to interact and the fact that they are not able almost one year in to have a friendly chemistry between them is really bad, they only seem to have a respect chemistry

>> No.6799441

>>6798913
Look at the big JP Holos, Korone got hard carried by OkaKoro until she was able to find her legs, also look at some of Pekora's biggest spikes of growth: MikoPeko and PekoMoona/Usada Kensetsu and these are two of the biggest loners in Hololive.
Even for the mid-range holos it helps immensely, look at the PPTrio and say it didn't grow Watame and Kanata a ton and having more people contribute helped Asacoco in return pushing Coco further up.

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>>6798913
They don't, group cohesion though does matter when you're Ina company.

Why did they join, likely to search for motivation to continue at their work, however for the group become disjointed and disconnected. Say a member feels like quitting, then there won't be that net to pull them back in. Similar to how bands fall apart.

If one quits or estranges themselves then the audience who joined when they all together will feel the mood isn't the same, cohesion matters.

>> No.6799549

>>6799224
and yeah when they are so successfull to the point of hololive when they can do the average and people will be happy yeah it may dont matter a lot, but imagine how pleasantly surprised must be some of the managers or higher ups in nijisanji that at least nijiEN on the wave2 stream on the official channel could pull out a really entertaining stream with jokes and funny moments, with a clear friendly atmosphere between them

>> No.6799661

>>6798678
And the point is that scouting is slow as shit for any company these days, nijiEN took nearly a year, nijiJP took nearly a year, holoEN will take nearly a year and there's no sign of a new holoJP any time soon, this is not a fast paced industry in any way

>> No.6799763

Watching NijiEN made me realize how boring HoloEN is. Not because I hate the girls, but because they have zero chemistry among themselves. I think Nijisanji is doing a better strategy with its EN branch, even though I'm not seeing it surpassing Hololive in terms of views and popularity.

>> No.6799835

>>6799441
Pekora's MGS marathon was also a good boost.

>> No.6799876

>>6799763
Ninety percent of the nijien audience are holofags, even the fucking ads that y buy play on hololive streams. Of course they won't surpass Hololive's audience when they both drink from the same bowl.

>> No.6799951

i do wonder if holoEN will still go in the direction of only hiring the best talents without worring about their social skills.
I need to point out that being friendly doesnt secure that you will have chemistry with everyone, for example in F1 this team called Mclaren had a young talent (Lando) and a kinda old one (Daniel) even tho they were really funny on their own, when they faced each other in the new team the chemistry was 0 cause both had different interests, even Lando confirmed it by itself, this is why also Calli even tho she is not socially akward she has different interests in life than ina, gura, ame and kiara. more focused in a proffesional style of life than liking anime, games and the things a content creator normally does

>> No.6800872

>>6799951
>i do wonder if holoEN will still go in the direction of only hiring the best talents without worrying about their social skills

I only see bad things coming if that is their only focus. Its less noticeable when there are only 5 talents and one-on-one they are pretty good but imagine 3 or 4 full gens (plus IRyS) just being awkwardly quiet because they only work well with like 3 or 4 people in the whole branch

>> No.6801347

>>6791038
Don't use my wife for your shitpost, nijinigger.

>> No.6802982

>>6799763
NijiEN feels like they’re all good friends even off camera, as evident of them playing minecraft and even hanging out in discord vc off stream. HoloEN nowadays seems like they barely talk unless there’s a collab planned.

>> No.6804260

So many newfags here that don't know jp gen 1 and gen 2 were mostly doing their own thing especially sololive aqua. Aqua mostly have chemistry with shion only back in the days. Look at the more popular holos and most of them are huge social introverts and the collabs have more unique feeling to it like pekomoona arc. It is the hidden narratives that are addicting.

>> No.6805157

>>6804260
That’s just the old gens, the newer ones especially the 5th are close, so it’s sad to see the EN group not having any chemistry after so many months. Gura’s closest friend in EN is Ame, Gura was very smooth in asking for collabs last year (like the movie watchalong), now it seems she needs chat’s help to ask for one like the e3 watchalong one.

>> No.6805190

POMU LOVE

>> No.6805563

>>6805157
> Gura’s closest friend in EN is Ame
Gura opens up more when she's with Mori. Ame enables her to be a gremlin. Kiara enables her to be girly. Ina enables her to mature. Mori enables her to be white.

>> No.6808842

>>6804260
Hololive EN won't be good for at least another year or two if it follows the jp formula. Ina will be knocking back a red bull with aki and mel as they lament their generations' complete lack of cohesion.

>> No.6809241

>>6791248
>brontosaurus
guilty kek

>> No.6809293

>>6808842
in streaming business i really believe must have some kind of friendship with coworkers, bc the work is fucking awful for mental health if you think about it

>> No.6809316

>>6801347
it wasnt a shitpost, i genuinely beleive is an interesting conversation to have in how different niji and holo are treating their EN branches

>> No.6809408

>>6791248
I love brontosaurus. Not watching the back stabbing bitch though, I like the girls from Tsunderia.

>> No.6810261

>>6798427
I'm not but you shouldn't waste your time caring about whether or not vtubers are of a particular nationality.

>> No.6810333

>>6791038
>ENtubers
>Talent
Pick one.

>> No.6810442

>>6810261
And that's how you end up with half your country being owned by China

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