/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I thought people were being ironic about genuinely loving their oshi, but I've recently realized that some people actually do. I just have one question how can you like someone you've never met, never will meet, and never will like you? Is this something I'm too mentally stable to understand?

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>>6883110
i'm a 32 year old autist kissless handholdless virgin, i've been a neet for a decade, probably unemployable, the west is collapsing anwyay, lockdown meme virus means there's no reason to leave the house. even if i lucked into a job and a relationship it would be entirely predicated on my value as a unit of economic productivity. might as well just let myself sink into the abyss and fall for a cute anime girl on youtube. her voice, her relaxed manner, her 80 iq, her comfy minecraft and zatsudan streams, these are the things i wake up for. i sit in my chinkshit gaming chair, swaddled in blankets and propped up by a couple of pillows, my electric heater under my desk and just sit borderline comatose for however many hours she decides to stream. or perhaps i just lie in bed with my phone, a hot water bottle under the quilt and overthrow. this way achieves maximum comfort but i feel slight disgust at watching on a phone. then i spend the rest of my time in a desperate scramble to improve my japanese to a point where i can have close to full comprehension of what she is saying before she retires. it might be futile but i will pursue this goal no matter what. and when the day comes that she retires, well, i can just find someone else. with each day that passes, the vtuber world becomes ever more saturated.

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>>6883209
how do you do that? i want to be like you too but literally cant because of money and it unfortunately wont grow on soil.

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>>6883110
Power of virgins

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>>6883110
I think i'm projecting all the girls i loved into my oshi, i'm convinced we think alike and the obssession is getting stronger. Bad history of projecting my romantic fantasies onto girls i think?
Pic only is related to my feelings

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>>6883708
You have a few options:
A) Live with your parents. Unless you're rich this is miserable.
B) Feign 100% disability. Or actually be retarded/crippled. You will receive a small check that permits a meager existence.
C) Be Finnish or Scandinavian. I played wow private servers several years ago with neets living on government dole because it's apparently pretty generous. They were all Nordics.

[Anonymous No.]

Crushes--and I assume most goslings just have crushes rather than genuinely being in love--aren't exactly rational, though thankfully I'm self-aware enough to keep it under control.

As for why I like Ame? There's a lot I could gush over, but ultimately her qualities make her feel like an idealized "girl next door"--earnest, bubbly, thoughtful, passionate about her hobbies and her friends. Some people call it GFE but it's something different from what say Rushia does. If you're a member she'll post random thoughts or animal pictures, and her zatsudan streams feel like quality time with a friend (or girlfriend). It gets so easy to imagine hanging out with her on a lazy afternoon while she plays through Superliminal and spends two hours talking about aquarium fish.

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>>6883110
For me is not something about my social life, I have friends and I'm in college, but Haachama made me being worried for her and somehow love her. I just want the best for her...

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My love is pure and beautiful, it's not given as a trade offer for sex, anon. I don't need her to love me back to not lose my mind, I just love her.
The love you're describing is closer to Matsuri's, who lost her mind and had a menhera outburst when she found out Haachama doesn't love her back. I wouldn't call that mentally stable.

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It's actually really common for people to get invested in a parasocial relationship with a streamer, not just Vtubers in general. It's quite a bit different from say an anime waifu due to the person you're a fan of is an actual real person with real problems which makes them more relatable.

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>>6884943
Do people still have waifus? Like in the mental illness sense where they'd insist they're in a relationship? I remember that crowd like 8 years ago but haven't run into them in a long time.

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>>6883110
Similar to how people feel admiration for extremely good athletes

Or musicians

Just that these waifus are female and nice, its similar, affect

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>>6883110
I didn’t grow up a social outcast or a loser. I had some friends. I was doing well in School. My life was going pretty well until my father passed away. It was tough on me. His death was more than just a death. The energy from my household had been sucked out my mom and siblings are not as jovial as they used to be. We rarely talk anymore it’s like we aren’t a family. I took time off from school but a semester off turned into a year and to a point where going back would be a waste of time. I stumbled on Miko clips from GTA then I fell down the rabbit hole from there. I was obsessing over Sui-Chan specifically. Spent better part of the year listening to a language I can never hope to understand and it keeps me going. I’m a hopeless NEET, I turn 24 next month. But frankly I’m optimistic. I love Suisei with all my heart.

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>>6883209
Okay, Yoshikage Kira.

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>>6887595
I'm glad you found your light, anon. We're all gonna make it.
Get a job, save some money and go watch Sui-chan performing in the Budokan in person.

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>>6883110
>how can you like someone you've never met, never will meet, and never will like you?
Have you seen religious people?

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>>6884200
Exactly my thoughts bro. Her speech pattern and willingness to be herself and point out things she dislikes or when chat is annoying her in such a human way, it’s all so genuine, it feels like she enjoys interacting with the fanbase alot.

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>>6883209
i think im in this deathspiral oh god

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>>6883110
>Is this something I'm too mentally stable to understand?
you are too autistic to understand. The absolute majority of girls fall in love with boyband members that don't even speak their language, you are the weird one here

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i was pretty normal in highschool, had a nice friend group and even a girlfriend. then i decided to go to a university hours away from all the people i knew because im a fucking idiot. being dumped in a new city and new school knowing absolutely nobody, i ended up staying in my dorm for all of first year without making a single new friend. ended up breaking up with my gf because of long distance and because i just got tired of socializing in any way shape or form. 3 years later and here i am, jobless and spending all day playing video games and growing ever more attached to anime women acting cute on the internet.

anyway thanks for reading my fucking life story, basically yeah you're probably too mentally stable to understand.

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>>6883110
Same reason people pray to God even if they know God will never answer your prayers

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¥6890419
that's not the point of praying

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>>6884200
>I assume most goslings just have crushes rather than genuinely being in love
wrong

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>>6883110
>how can you love god

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>>6883110
Easy answer. My oshi genuinely made me happy. I was/still am battling depression and thinking about offing myself now and then, but when she streams, it takes my mind off the dark.

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>>6883110
I've never had a girlfriend. Im 23 so not too bad yet but still 75% of the way there to wizardry.

I can't tell if the feelings I have towards my oshi is infatuation or something more because I don't even know what love even means. I would have to experience it first before I can know.

But I can say for sure that she is a genuinely better person than 95+% of the people I have met in my life so far. I just wish there were more people like her around my life.

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>>6887595
I'm also a NEET but for different reasons and I have Suityan as oshi. Recently, I've going outside more, maybe because of her, maybe because I'm tired of 6 years of being a NEET, I like to think that Suityan is the reason. Before knowing her, it never occurred to me that I could escape from the shithole I dug up for myself, now there's hope in her story and how she overcame the adversities.

Hang in there, brother. We have to be better for Suityan. Don't lose hope.

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>>6888875
I did something similar too except I moved to the other side of the planet for college. I knew nobody in the continent and the nearest relative was thousands of kilometers away

Basically in a similar spot as you, though I do have a job because I guess I had the foresight to major in a STEM field instead of philosophy

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Don't listen to him, Anons. I'm friends with my oshi. And not like, "friends". Actual friends. If I managed to, you can do it too. Follow your dreams.

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>>6898231
How do you even friend a holo? I'm friends with a few streamers sure but they're not my oshi.

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>>6883209
wow, you're my future. i'm already actually disabled and all of the same adjectives you gave yourself, except i'm 6 years younger.

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>>6895172
Are you me?

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I'm 33, virgin who has never kissed or dated a girl, still live with my mom and work at Walmart. I tried but, I can't love a dream. That's just fucking weird and leads to serious depression.

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>>6895172
The people you meet in real life have been conditioned to avoid being cute and sweet and show their real selves because the world sucks. If you manage to find someone and get to know and love them as much as you love your oshi I think you could be surprised - I know it's not easy and I haven't been able to do it myself but it could be something to strive for.

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>>6898437
I suppose it's most people's stories on /vt/.

Who knew fostering meaningful relationships IRL could be so difficult? I try to stay hopeful and keep trying but it's hard to avoid falling into the inceldom / mtgow hole that creeps up on you the longer you stay single.

The problem I'd imagine is that the people I would mesh well with (e.g. my oshi and many other vtubers) are the type of people who never go out of their rooms or go on dating apps in the first place. Consequently the people I see outside are too... normal... or degenerate in other ways I'm not interested in. How am I supposed to find these people outside of youtube?

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>>6898932
>it's hard to avoid falling into the inceldom / mtgow hole that creeps up on you the longer you stay single.
You can do it, I mean, I haven't fallen nor have the slightest indication of becoming one of those
I just treat everyone the same regardless of who they are, but with a little respect, until they try to fuck me over
I believe in you anon

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>>6898844
>>6899063
Fair enough. Many of the people I've met so far either just need something from you and hang around until it's no longer in their interests to do so, or are just unpleasant in general (treating others badly / break trust / etc.)
That's just humanity in general though I suppose

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>>6883110
Because its easier to love an avatar with some personality to it rather than an actual human being

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>>6883110
Just to know that someone as perfect as my oshi exists in real life and yet I would never have a shot with her is a thousand times more painful than the belief that no one like that could exist. I wish I could go back to the blissful ignorance I had before. How can I settle for anything less IRL after glimsing perfection?

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>>6884009
I'm in the same boat anon. It's a good sign that you recognize the possibility but in my case I'm convinced it's the truth too. I'm certain I'm a rare breed of person irl because I've literally never met someone who I actually thought was like me until her. From the way she types responses to her vtuber friends, her sense of humor, and how identical our commentary on things is; I'm 100% certain we're genuinely on the same wavelength mentally.

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>>6898932
>go on dating apps
I think people should really avoid doing this. Dating apps are absolute cancer and are only used by whores and narcissistic psychopaths.

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>>6899440
If you're someone with a limited or no social circle, then you don't have much other choice. Don't expect to have any success unless you're extremely good-looking though, the gender ratios are so skewed that average guys get completely buried under a mountain of chads. There's a reason why we're all still virgins.

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>>6883110
I've been a loner all my life but I got a gf in 2017 after getting into hookup apps and severely lowering my standards. Obviously, I was goslinging for my first gf ever but eventually I just saw her for sex. When covid happened, I found the excuse to stop seeing her all the time because honestly it was extremely tiring. I found Gura's karaokes and fell down the hole last year. I'm still in a relationship with my gf but I only see her once a month for sex or whenever she starts going to a fit from me not seeing her. I don't have the courage to break up with her and tell her that I'm in love with another girl--Polka.

It's a strange situation. I use my irl gf for sex but everything else GF related, I turn to Polka.

[Anonymous No.]

Getting into vtubers made me go from
>there probably isn't anyone on Earth I could love enough to stay with long term
to
>Oh fuck they do exist, it's just that they are way out of my league
I'm not ugly or anything but I'm mentally ill as fuck, would have to be to spend time on this shithole. Have had a gf before so I know it isn't totally "love" but I have had crushes on Risu, Ina and Pomu. It's oddly comforting to be able to feel this way about someone, even though you know it will never be reciprocated.

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>>6899663
Ina okay
But how is Risu and Pomu way out of your league?

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>>6899440
I just moved to CA so I don't know anyone around here anyway. Gotta start somewhere

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>>6899539
if you want to rely on a dating app, go ahead but I'll just warn you that the people who are using it are most likely to be really low-quality reprobates. It's just a bad venue to meet new people. It's awful and primarily designed to look for prostitutes who don't respect their body, the complete opposite of what you normally looking for a companion that could last till the end of your lives. You are completely retarded if you want to meet someone that can hold a long-term relationship on fucking tinder.

I don't even fucking know why you fags always bring up dating apps. I'm also approaching to wizardry but I'm not retarded enough to hope that there's a special 11/10 qt grill who uses an absolute travesty that is tinder

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>>6899440
>Dating apps are absolute cancer and are only used by whores and narcissistic psychopaths.
This is not true. I am >>6899590 and I've met some decent people on dating apps(yes you can use them for friendships too not every one is there to hook up)--although none of those friendships last because I grew up on this site and my sense of humor and field of interests are a little off the norm. I still talk to the people I met there but nothing more than the usual how are you's. They're just regular people.

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>>6899695
Pomu is literally perfect, are you kidding me?

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>>6899803
Tinder is that, yes, but there are more apps than just Tinder. Some designed specifically to repel hookups

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>>6899803
If you're approaching wizardry then you're in no position to lecture anyone.

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>>6883110
trolling unironically retarded people is a bad look, op. don't do it.

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>>6899823
I dont watch Pomu but all I ever hear in /vt/ is how retarded she is

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>>6899695
Risu is way more talented as a voice actor than I am/was as an amateur actor. Whether that speaks to her talent, my lack of talent or low self esteem is up to you. She's definitely funnier and more quick witted than I am too.

Pomu is probably just down to my self image issues ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯

What all three of them have in common is having way more of a work ethic than me, though. Gura is probably the only vtuber I know who washes their dishes even less than I do

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>>6898844
This is the wrong take anon. >>6895172
you need to understand that the reason you feel like that is because people in general aren't meant to get along. Cliques and tribes are human nature. Your oshi isn't inherently a "better person" than anyone and I mean Anyone. The guy I quoted is close to being right though. People who you actually can genuinely bond with do exist they're just rare by nature. Just don't assume that strangers will fit that criteria. It's not a matter of conditioning, your gut will tell you if someone is part of that group at your first meeting. You can still work with strangers but never give them the kind of trust you would someone who gives you the same feeling as your oshi does because they're not in your clique, they're competition

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>>6899539
>Don't expect to have any success unless you're extremely good-looking though
This is only true if you're looking for a gf/sex. If you're just looking for friends, I found that girls are very easy to get along with so long as you share interests and you're not some creepy social retard.

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>>6898932
It's actually really not difficult. Only retards go mgtow or buy into incel culture. You have to be legitimately low IQ for those thoughts to even cross your mind.

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>>6900198
Not really.

"I don't need validation from women to live a happy, fulfilling life" -> You are MGTOW

"I don't want to date anymore, I hate people" -> "I hate people including women" -> You are an incel

Unless I'm not understanding these terms properly.

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>>6899952
She isn't, she just has shit luck and sometimes has streamer brain. She graduated college, has a full-time office job, pays her own way (doesn't live with parents nor have rich family money), and is a hard worker (balances full-time job with daily vtubing plus other behind-the-scenes work that NijiEN is doing). She's also a hag with real-world experience, not some sheltered early-20s NEET who never made it past high-school.

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I love my oshi, other than my mother and sister, I'll probably never love another girl. Truthfully, no girl will ever love me, so it's actually not all that different loving a vtuber, I was always going to be single regardless. At least this way, I have someone else I can enjoy listening too. I do wish I could make my oshi happy the way she makes me, but this is okay, I send a couple akasupas and feel like it's good enough.

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>>6900518
Incel just means involuntarily celibate. If you're a virgin, and not by choice, then you're an incel.

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>>6898932
>people I would mesh well with (e.g. my oshi and many other vtubers)
You only think this because you like them. Just because you like a person, it doesn't mean you'll get along with them. If you meet them irl, they won't act the same because people rarely do unless they like you. The same goes for you. Try to actually get to know a person before you mislabel them as "too normal". You're cucking yourself from making friends by not given people a chance by thinking you actually have to share the same interests with a person to be friends with them.

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This thread is honestly beyond my comprehension. This just isn't my kind of autism.

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>>6900641
if you equate celibate with virginity then incel literally is not a real thing. Anyone posting on the internet has enough money for a cheap whore.

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>>6900753
You're right, I guess most people tend to hide their power levels. Just that for most people their definition of power level is "ohh I secretly like anime like Genshin and Jojo!!! Xd!!" But you just gotta keep trying to find people I guess.

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>>6900518
That's what those terms mean, but not what they actually mean.

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>>6884074
>C) Be Scandinavian
In my mind it's really not a worthwhile lifestyle, it's not like you can just push a welfare button and lean back for the rest of your life.

"Dagpenge" gives a decent amount, but requires you to have had a job and be a paying member of an "A-kasse" for at least a year.
Though after a few years of unemployment, you are no longer entitled to receive it.

"Kontanthjælp" is a meager existence with barely enough money sustain yourself.
And AFAIK you can't really save up because one of the conditions for receiving this type of welfare is that you absolutely need it.
If you have money saved up, you have to use that first.

Other than that, being on "dagpenge" requires you to send at least 2 job applications a week, while "kontanthjælp" is significantly more.
If you get a job offer, you have to take it too, declining it will lose your entitlement to welfare.

I've never been in these systems, but an ex-colleague has, and he calls it the worst experience in his life.
Any danes ITT, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just so tired of people thinking Denmark has some fucking unicorn easy money system. Because we don't.

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>>6900951
even cheap whores can and do say no
...or so i've heard

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>>6883110
There are many kinds of love, OP. Actively deciding to love someone? You can do it with anybody. Falling in love, crushing? That happens so fast, it doesn’t even matter if the other person is real - it could happen to someone you only dreamt of one time when you were really tired.
Controlling your feelings based on whether you will get anything from the other person… that’s inhuman. Sounds like what a machine would do.

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>>6904622
I see your overall point although to Americans, the scandi welfare and unemployment system seems positively rosy. I think this Paul Skallas quote sums it up.

>"You don’t want to lose your job. It’s scary out there. Especially in America. Poverty here is not like poverty in Europe. Poverty in Europe is drab, depressing, unaesthetic and not fun. But thanks to their robust social welfare state, it is bearable. In America, poverty gets ugly. If fall multiple levels down in class you will encounter a Mad Max beyond Thunderdome dystopia of violence, racial tension, opoid overdoses and drug addled warfare. It is some ugly stuff. Most don’t want to think about it. And I don’t blame them. So when we talk about “downside” we mean a steep drop. America, is like 3 countries. One is a rich happy place, another a lower to lower middle class one barely hanging on and the other is a warzone. As an American, you want to stay in the first level if you can."

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>>6895172
I once thought I had a chance with 23, life was looking up, got /fit/, had a job, god a random kiss from a skank at a bar and I thought things might not be that bleak.
Got fired because they needed to save money, next job was 20km from where I live so no more time to go lift without sacrificing what is fun to me, got fat again, dead-end job with indians in IT, severe depression. Quit the job, Corona hits, a whole year without going anywhere but groceries, enjoy the time with my online buddies and develop alcoholism to drown out the voices, score a job at the last moment and am now in home office for a year which took further toll on my body. Also am 30 now, and couldn't even celebrate the 29 with my frens. I still don't know if Love is any more than being friends with a commitment, VTubers so far do a better job of being someone you can support because every single woman in my life I invested in backstabbed me.

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>>6906327
well? did you learn your lesson about the self-improvement meme?

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>>6906389
Literally everything about that post is wrong, but i'm sure whoever wrote it became an hero long ago.

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>>6883209
Pomu is close to the same age as you. You still have a shot to find your own pomu IRL! A shot to find her, not to get her to like you back.

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>>6906520
Cope. Normal people don't have to do stupid self-improvement programs like nofap to get a gf, gfs just happened to them as they naturally went through life. If you have to make a concerted effort to achieve what others do naturally without even trying, then there is something very wrong with you. I don't agree with the image implying that chad and his ilk never tried at anything in their life, that's very much an overstatement, but when it comes to basic social interaction and relationships, it is correct. Normies don't have to try to be normies, they just are.

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>>6906572
I can agree to a certain extent, I'm mentally ill enough to use this site and be entertained throughly by shitty Fascist Fumo memes, but I really can't fathom how unwell people have to be that they need Self-Improvement programs to be normal, you normally do that kinda stuff only as atlethic preparation or some shit and No Fap feels like a giant cope that is placebo at best and unhealty at worst, real weirdo shit

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>>6906523
Nobody could find a Pomp in real life. Unlike chuubas, people out there are just trying to get by and live their own life without being bothered. None of them are trying to entertain you or appeal to you. You could never tell a person’s good sides until you are invested knee-deep in getting them to care about you.