/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not even an Elira fan and I feel disappointed about her.
Watched like 4 streams total but she seemed like a nice person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129382
Elira did nothing wrong. Dokifags fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

I have never watched elira but i'm not watching her ever again

[Anonymous No.]

I am not even an Elira fan and I think she has done nothing wrong. What now?

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>>69129382
i jacked off to this bitch but i'll never do it again after what she did

[Anonymous No.]

im jacking off right now

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>>69129382
She's gonna be hounded forever. Let her, Vox and Ike rot.
Get Rosemi outta this shitheap of a crew.

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>>69129382
She's a rich GTA Asian girl with no real life experiences I grew up with these vapid whores.

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>>69129478
I'm actually willing to hear her out, but gotta refute Doki point by point and answer as many questions as she can

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>>69129382
>Watched like 4 streams total but she seemed like a nice person.
Really?
To me she seemed like a fake snake from day 1, always had that aura

[Anonymous No.]

>>69130260
Rich Canadian Asians make up a good amount of these EN corpo vtubers, like Selen

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>>69129382
>but she seemed like a nice person.
I wonder when people will learn not to 100% believe a person is exactly what they portray online. There have been enough instances of this both vtuber and non-vtuber for this to keep happening.

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>>69129603
Never jacked off to her before but this whole situation has made me reconsider

[Anonymous No.]

she's about to get sued by Anycolor for embezzlement and mismanagement of NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

I will continue to watch elira play jrpgs

[Anonymous No.]

>>69130418
But enough about Selen "it's never my fauuuult" Tatsuki

[Anonymous No.]

This is probably the only time I've seen her have multiple threads be about her

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>>69130662
Oh Selen did plenty wrong herself and I'm no fan of her either, but Elira is definitely a bad person. As in a human of bad character.

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>>69129382
the thing i never understood about elira was that millie and enna were supposedly her closest friends, and she was so unlike them

there's usually a reason someone is friends with someone else. there's some kind of link or common ground or similarity that lets them get along.

things make a bit more sense now

[Anonymous No.]

I enjoyed some of her streams, particularly BG3, but she always felt a bit off for a vTuber. Something about the kayfabe wasn't quite right.

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>>69131324
Don't forget, she's not your friend

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>>69129382
She IS a nice person. Don't fall for the rrat bait. She didnt do anything wrong. Trying to step up and help fellow talent when your managers are understaffed is a crime now? Didnt Watson get praised to high heaven for doing the same type of thing? Having friends you like better than others is a crime now? Literally every human is like that, all of you anons have people you like at work, and retards that everyone else talks shit about *cough*Selen*cough*. Nothing she's done is bad, its all normal shit that dramaniggers have blown out of proportion, or Doki asslickers have tried to stir up to own le heckin ebil corpo.

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>>69131981
>Selen’s POV

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>>69132228
The 15 min black video is the worst thing I've seen in the vtubing scene.

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>>69130946
I've always pictured it as Elira is the cool, aloof kind of shy girl, the Komi, as it were. Enna is an evil version of Najimi, the loud annoying extrovert that just drags everyone else along in their wake. And Millie? She's just the Tadano, a harmless nobody along for the ride. That's the only way their friend dynamic makes sense.

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>>69130871
How so? Enna yes, she's human garbage, but Elira hasn't done a damn thing wrong other than pick bad friends

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>>69130325
She doesn't even have to. The information needed is out in the public but people are too commie to stop blindly hating the corporation and look at things objectively.

Selen blatantly ignored her manager and got her video privated then she went on Twitter, implied it would never be seen again (which was a lie) then threw her manager under the bus. Her friends ask her why she did that and if she ok but she took it as targeted harassment indirectly caused by the management and tried to kill herself. The company realizes Selen is not mentally stable and restrict access to her account, partially to cover their ass so she won't have a meltdown online, partially for Selen's own mental health. Selen threatens a lawsuit against Niji, Niji originally intended to slap her on the wrist for the MV but now have to fire her because it turned into a huge internal drama.

Doki claims she was bullied within Niji so hard she tried to kill herself and she was being silenced by Niji. This turns public opinion so hard in favor of Doki that people aren't willing to ask for evidence or look for evidence. The livers are getting harassed online and bombarded with drama even normies are talking about it. Elira, Vox and Ike read the document and learn of the accusations in it and refute them. Keep in mind that Vox and Ike aren't afraid to go against management like they did in the Niji AR live drama

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>>69132524
Okay, who's the Manbagi then?

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>>69132503
What was wrong with that? Reading some prepared statements to try to exonerate yourself is literally satan worship now? It came across as wooden and fake sounding, sure, but it wasn't BAD in theory, just poorly executed

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>>69129603
just do hate jackoff, is very destressful

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>>69132787
Shut up Elira

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>>69132673
Hmm...the 3rd wheel that everyone likes but doesn't really matter to the plot? I guess Pomu?

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>>69132656
If this is the case them IMO they should go scorched earth and spill all the beans on Selen and how manipulative she is.

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>>69132929
wow, stellar argument, you sure told me! how can I refute those facts? Go suck Selen's dick some more

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>>69132992
it's only a matter of time. I think most of them genuinely like Selen and would rather not ruin her life, but she's not giving them much of an option at this point.

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>>69132656
>people aren't willing to ask for evidence or look for evidence.
That should maybe tell you something about the accused. People will often not ask for evidence when something they already suspected to be true is confirmed. Niji has always had a very unprofessional work culture at least in the EN branch. This is not hard to believe as a result.

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>>69132503
I wondered why several people would go on record and lie like that with a legal battle going on. Then I realized they weren't lying.

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>>69133388
No, it's simply because Selen pulled the ultimate woman bitch card and tried to off herself. "Tried" being took 5 aspirin. Nothing anyone does after that will work, all the bleeding heart brainlets see is omg they forced her to suicide evil evil evil. It's a classic move that works every time. Gigasympathy, at the cost of your integrity and soul

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>>69133242
Do they not realize this is a matter of do or die right now? The entire EN branch is about to be shutdown and everyone involved perma blacklisted. What are they waiting for?

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>>69133766
faggot

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>>69133770
Probably just doing what management tells them, right or wrong. Selen is a lying cunt, but niji management is incompetent and blundered this every step of the way even though they're in the right.

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>>69133867
Shut up Selen, go try for round 3

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>>69129382

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>>69133766
To be honest I'm not very invested in this and I don't care. I just wanted to make a point to you about why so many people are willing to believe accusations like that at a glance. It's not a matter or whether or not I agree that people should make assumptions like that, the reality is they do and the other reality is that Niji has always been very unprofessional. There's a reason they are bleeding talent.

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>>69133766
You could give Selen the benefit of the doubt after 1 attempt. After 2 failed "attempts", its clear as day what she was trying to pull.

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>>69133766
You're perfectly right. The music video and selen nearly killing herself is why so many artists and contractors have complained about management, as well as them bleeding all of their biggest talent for the past few years. It's all Selen's fault! Why doesn't anybody see that Selen killed Zaion!?

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>>69134189
Oh I dont disagree with that. Niji is extremely poorly ran and incompetent, but I don't think they're a cult of evil maniacs trying to bully everyone to death the way the rrats make it sound. It's just a bunch of people doing their job every day like any other job.

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>>69134189
nta but I've been manipulated by enough bpd women to know not to trust their suicide stories. But also I don't trust NijiEN because of how they treated Zaion, not that I fully trust her either. Everyone involved stinks and it's super weird the ones that left mostly just ghost each other in public. There's some major shit that's being kept super secret and either they all know and the liability of revealing is too much or everyone only has compartmentalized knowledge. I need to know wtf the big secret is, and the only thing that makes sense to me is GUR is real but it wasn't just the 3 of them, everyone up to Obsydia was involved.

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>>69134563
those have nothing to do with each other. Selen wanted out, they told her to fuck off, so she decided to torpedo the whole thing just to make a buck. Niji is obviously a shitty company, but she is not a victim, she's just as shitty as the rest of them

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>>69129478
Et tu, Elira?

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>>69134878
No no you don't understand! Selen was behind everything! I think she even baited them to release that video just so she could pretend to be upset! She probably still has contacts with their legal team and has been playing them like a fiddle. You're right! It all makes sense now! She's probably going to murder them too later.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: Nijisimps and people that do-it-for-free attempting to counter-rrat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129382
I feel like taking her side because of the swarm of absolute mouth breathers on the other side
Maybe it’s the contrarian in me

[Anonymous No.]

We’ll never know the truth but people want justice. Though I know Doki wants this to end Niji deserves to be ridiculed and punished for their terrible treatment and lack of foresight. I don’t know how deep this goes but it’s looking pretty fucking bad.

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>>69132992
I don't think she's necessarily manipulative. It's a mix of mental illness and misunderstanding. Selen realized she fucked up during an episode and wants to be done with it but everything she does is applauded because public opinion is "Small girl who nearly killed herself vs Billion dollar corporation"

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>>69130523
this so much this

[Anonymous No.]

Can't trust someone who shows no emotion towards the ending of MGS3.

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>>69135485
See if it was me I would have a bigger life goal, but you do you

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>>69135302
Thats legit cringe

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>>69135302
I think its just the fact that no one is trying to be non-biased, even if Niji deserves it.

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>>69134189
Nijisanji has incompetent management and dumb policies like perm shit but they're not evil talent abusing suits who bully people to suicide

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>>69135630
you should always question things in this exact manner. whatever you decide on after is whatever

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>>69129478
You are a whore and soon the only way to keep your work visa will be to work in a hostess club. The only way you will afford to eat will be by selling your holes to ojisans

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>>69135630
You are a weak person who cares about “cringe” and sides with the predominant opinion on everything

[Anonymous No.]

For all the Elira simps in this thread, I hope your oshi stays in Nijisanji forever.

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>>69129382
The evilest women seem the nicest on the outside. If she can make your dick hard by whispering, she's evil.

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>>69135761
Stop writing your BL fanfictions here

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>>69136196
no wonder they charge so much on dlsite

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>>69135749
People like that anon see 1 article/news source and run with it, without even questioning it, looking into it themselves, and trying to form their own opinion/conclusion.

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>>69133388
People aren't asking for evidence because they're outraged. It happens online constantly and usually gets forgotten when there's evidence that the thing they were outraged was false like the Tobuscus drama or ProJared allegation like it never happened.

The only thing that people see is girl who is a popular talent in evil corporation wrongly gets fired by evil corporation after she gets bullied to suicide. Ignoring all the evidence why she was fired, her documented mental illness and the words of not only the company but the livers who were their friends themselves

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>>69135207
>Counter rrat
>No receipts, no screenshots, no leaks of shady shit doki did, nothing that gets brought up constantly as a sore point
>Only thing that gets brought up is attention whoring suicide
They could do better astroturfing

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>>69136817
That's what's baffling me. It's like it's the only point they have. Yes, the suicide thing from one of their largest talents is big, but she had plenty of other complaints too that all of the other people who left Niji have said too. It's like they have blinders on.

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>>69136817
>no leaks of shady shit doki did

She misled the narrative by making people think the MV couldn't be posted while the manager only said they needed to confirm the perms then she could unprivate it or reupload it.

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>>69135589
I just want the truth but at the same time I know that once we do Niji EN is going to fall apart and most of the people that aren’t involved in the scandal will suffer.

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>>69137129
This is the one thing that makes me skeptical.

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>>69136975
She never complained about anything publicly. The only thing ex-Niji members complained about was shit management and annoying perms. No one is saying Niji management isn't shit, but they're not malicious and trying to drive people into suicide. The only other person with an axe to grind is Zaion and her situation is understandable because she has evidence that management was extremely incompetent even if she did frequently break rules

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>>69133931
Yeah okay dude lol

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>>69137129
That argument falls apart because there's other stuff other niji's have done that included the images of other ex-niji's. If you really look into it Doki's case of rules being applied selectively starts to carry more weight. Which also makes you wonder - If Niji owns the image rights of talents, Selen has the permission from the artist and producer, then funded it herself - what exactly is the problem here? Whose permission do they need?

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>>69137129
What manager?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69137604
Elira and Millie

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>>69136290
It is prophecy

[Anonymous No.]

>All these disgusting fucking fencesitters

The corruption starts at the top
Bullying, doing nothing about stalking and death threats, robbing their talents blind and offering 0 help in times of need because "you're just a sole proprietor why should we help you"
You faggots should be unironically ashamed for thinking this circus run by a faggot who's too young to even know what to do with a billion dollars net worth has any redeemable qualities moving forward

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>>69137129
Management dragging their feet for eternity isn't an acceptable state of affairs

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>>69137577
>>69137604
Selen's manager said they needed permission to use graduated livers. They have a policy where graduated livers have to consent to their character being used on their website and the manager may have had to confirm with a higher up if it was allowed. Selen's manager only just received the video because of how hands off Niji management is

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>>69137129
Do you honestly belive that the mv being released was the first time management found out about the exlivers?

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>>69137926
LOL
This project has been in development since 2022
It's really cute you believe the blatant dogshit lies you've been fed

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>>69137934
Yes. Multiple ex members claim that Niji management barely helped them with projects and they had to do everything mostly on their own. Niji management being slow and shit isn't a reason to blatantly break the rules

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>>69137129
>the manager only said
I'm sure management has said lots of things. Why believe them?

My guess is that they knew she was leaving and wanted to drag that video through approval hell indefinitely until she graduated.

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>>69137129
Why didn't they check during the many months they had while the mv was being made with all the people
Why did Selen feel it was ok to upload it in the first place? I don't think she wanted to rock the boat for 0 reason
If this was an isolated incident then it'd be more shady but niji has a history of incompetence like the artists coming out with their experiences

[Anonymous No.]

im willing to trust people who have a reason to be mad (ie: artists who never got paid or reimbursed) than the people who didn't pay them

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>>69137129
>said they needed to confirm the perms
That is patently untrue and your omitting the part where they said that the video might need to be adjusted AKA re-edited.

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>>69138078
>Why didn't they check during the many months they had while the mv was being made with all the people

Management is shit and hands off

>Why did Selen feel it was ok to upload it in the first place? I don't think she wanted to rock the boat for 0 reason

She was tired of slow shitty management and didn't care if she got fired anymore.

Artists coming out around this time while it's popular to shit on Niji is suspicious but I don't know about that

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>>69138158
There is a screenshot where this is blatantly said. The manager said the video might need to be re-editted because graduated livers might not give consent to be used in the video or the higher ups would refuse to give permission

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>>69129478
The only Lazulight who are not backstabbers already graduated. Finana backstabbed Zaion and Elira backstabbed Selen.
I hope her career crashes and burns.
SIEG ZAION
SINK THE YACHT

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>>69138058
>Niji management being worse than useless isn't an excuse to ignore them
Yes the fuck it is. Dogshit management doesn't deserve respect. They're subtracting value instead of adding it. Fuck em

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>>69129478
lol, lmao even

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>>69138456
>because graduated livers might not give consent to be used in the video or the higher ups would refuse to give permission
Which is the most autistic and bullshit reasoning ever because
A. Niji owns the fucking IP
B. Enna put Nina in her video so obviously there's already an established precedent that doesn't require extra work

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>>69138567
It doesn't matter if Niji owned the IP, they have a policy to not use graduated livers in content without their consent. Imagine if Mysta was still being sold in Luxiem merch without his consent. That's scummy.

Nina obviously gave permission for Enna to use her in a video after she graduated

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>>69138817
They're literally selling Selen merch and voice packs right now...

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>>69138567
It means Nina consented for Enna, but not Selen, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69139050
how does a dead character give consent

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>>69138817
>they have a policy to not use graduated livers in content without their consent.
Okay. Where has this ever been stated?

> Imagine if Mysta was still being sold in Luxiem merch without his consent. That's scummy.
Yeah not like they're selling Selen's merch of anything...Oh wait...

>Nina obviously gave permission for Enna to use her in a video after she graduated
Prove it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129382
I found her boring. I think boring people are evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69139050
How do you give consent when you're no longer employed and never had rights to the character in the first place?

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>>69129382
>Everyone I care about in Niji is either terminated or graduated
>Elira doesn't seem so bad
>Oh, she's playing MHWorld
>Decides to be an HH main? Kinda based.

Another month without fucking up and I might have been a fan. Close call.

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>>69137839
>sperging
I don’t think they can be redeemed, I simply don’t care. Emotional Twitter screechers deserve to be mocked. The whole thing has been hijacked by scum of the worst sort, for both sides.
Not your personal army, cry about it

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>>69138943
>>69139112
Selen was never going to turn down free money. She worked on those VP's and has every right to still make money off of what she worked on. It would be a waste of time to not profit on her work and whatever merch sells. I honestly don't think many people will buy her vp's and merch from niji but if anyone does then good for Selen.

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>>69129382
Only one I have watched of her it was a black screen most of the time and really short. Plus it was a collab and they all were shitting on someone named Selen. Will not watch again.

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>>69139770
Why are you assuming that someone who has been terminated from the company is earning anything off this?

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>>69139770
I refuse to believe that you can be this retarded and still manage to use a keyboard

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>>69138943
Either she gave permission for it before she was terminated or it's a different policy where they push out merch for terminated livers then don't produce anymore

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>>69140140
>shit I made up in my head and have no evidence for

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>>69132787
Are you seriously so delusional you cannot see that it was intentionally timed to rev up her ike and vox's fans so they'd immediately jump onto doki's stream and ruin her day?
That one decision removes all doubt what the goal of it was. They could've dropped it anytime of day yet they chose the very first scheduled stream doki made.

[Anonymous No.]

Elira was the first vtuber who read my comment during her live stream. It was the first time an anime girl response to me. I was surprised she turned out to be a bad person from this community

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>>69140196
It's company policy on their website about graduated livers and graduated livers specifically if I remember correctly

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>>69140519
same man, all though i'm personally not surprised there is still a feeling of disappointment

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>>69139871
>>69140093
I'm not going to spoonfeed you. If you look at Selen's termination it lists how they well handle her payments for vps and merch.
This is not the first time they have done this. They usually continue to sell things for another month after the date of graduation/termination. I cannot remember how they handled Zaion but she was barley there and suspended twice so she probably had almost no merch or vps at all anyway.

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>>69140196
Millie on her stream where she tried to salvage the reputation of Niji's shit management and influx of people graduating said that all projects and stuff like merch or voice packs are done with permission and consent from the members, she also said that Niji can't force people into participating in projects they don't want to

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>>69132656
>implied it would never be seen again (which was a lie)
You're right. They would have approved it in just time for Christmas next year.

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>>69140657
>It's company policy on their website about graduated livers and graduated livers specifically if I remember correctly

Okay, link me because I don't believe you. I see absolutely no reason why they would put internal company policy on public display.

>>69141104
I don't trust Millie as a reliable source of information. Unless you have someone else to corroborate that info, it's pure speculation.

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>>69132656
>>69129478
NDF faggot completely disregard the clique, the favoritism and the build up to this point. People didn't wake up and start hating shitsanji, it took a year of fuck ups.

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>>69133766
>>69132656
>>69129478
>>69135549

Selen is annoying. You guys are even more so.

> don't think she's necessarily manipulative. It's a mix of mental illness and misunderstanding
"It's just her mental illness guys! Do you know she is mentally ill? Meaning you can absolve her in your mind for all I care, but never EVER believe her!!!"

Women are so transparently stupid and catty it is not even funny.

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>>69141482
>Women are so transparently stupid and catty it is not even funny.
Nice projection, sister.

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>>69141426
>>69141482
Dramafags switching sides and replying to their own old posts is very unsubtle. Basically confirming they’re cherry-picking the most divisive rhetoric and replying in kind.

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>>69141628
>projection
Yeah, that term nicely fits women who project their own rottenness on Dokibird and thus' come to the conclusion how the only reason she would try to kill herself is her profit margins. Piss off.
Shondo was right, right about women. I'm gonna marry my dog if this is the best the fairer sex can muster for a defense of their livers.

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>>69141958
>he falls for the falseflags
At least the dog is the same level of intelligence as you. Maybe it’ll work out

[Anonymous No.]

>>69134189
>>69134715
The apparently standard way they deal with terminations is what made me distrust everything they say. The lists of sins is just a character assassination and a repugnant attempt at controlling the narrative when they KNOW the liver has limited options of presenting their side of the story. I was treated in a similar way once but won against the fuckers in court - this shitshow reminds me of it too much.
Selen may have breached the contract and very well may be an unstable menhera who pushed their hand to terminate her, but anycolor deserves everything they're currently getting - nobody forced them to piss on and set fire to the corpse as they were throwing it out. The fact they ostensibly to protect their reputation (disregarding bully clique rrats for a moment) is even more delicious.

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>>69141359
Can't find the screenshot because all the drama horse shit is muddying up the search bar but some anon in an archived thread had a screenshot of it being company policy from the website. Considering Millie genuinely has 0 reason to lie about livers not being obligated to join projects and how merch being produced requires their permission, it's just more believable to assume this other than Selen's manager needing to consult higher ups for permission to use characters of previous livers

[Anonymous No.]

It is sometimes difficult to tell whether the people trying to spin a narrative about Doki being a manipulative cunt are trolling propagandists or just plain retards who lack reading comprehension. I guess being both is also possible.

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>>69142065
Elucidate me. How much intelligence is required to think muh BPD and muh attentionwhore is a valid response to criticism blatant corpo mismanagement and this PR disaster?
God women are stupid.

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>>69142259
>Can't find the screenshot because all the drama horse shit is muddying up the search bar but some anon in an archived thread had a screenshot of it being company policy from the website
Until I see evidence, this isn't worth much and it doesn't make sense for it to exist

>Considering Millie genuinely has 0 reason to lie

>>she tried to salvage the reputation of Niji's shit management

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>>69141482
Surely someone with a confirmed mental illness like BPD wouldn't be stressed the fuck out by shitty management denying perms for a bunch of her projects especially when she probably wanted her video out on Christmas specifically. BPD is a non factor in her blatantly breaking corpo rules and misconstruing a scenario like her friends asking why she blatantly disobeyed her manager as them siding with the managers and pressuring her to apologize.

Clearly, a person who is willing to attempt suicide TWICE IN A MONTH has no mental health issues and people shouldn't be calling her mental stability into question.

I don't know what's worse. People acting like her high functioning BPD has 0 part in this situation or every part in this situation

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>>69132656
MV shit doesn't matter anymore. If they didn't like what she did, just outright fire her like a normal monday for kurosanji.
Attempted suicide was after the MV, from built up stress because they keep on fucking her projects up. As for the bullying part, she claimed nothing of sort, that part was from the 3 page doc kurosanji released. You can tell how retarded they are for admitting that. She also wasn't aware she was getting bullied until her lawyer told her.
There was no lawsuit after the attempted suicide. The "lawsuit" was her lawyer trying to make contact with kurosanji because they kept ignoring her graduation requests. Kurosanji was spooked when the lawyer made contact then fired her after 2 hours. It was a "surprise" because she was expecting her lawyer to make a graduation deal instead.
I'm not Doki and I say that the retards deserved the harassments and more. Fuck kurosanji and fuck anyone who agrees with their black company tactics.

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>>69142328
…you still think the most vitriolic from both sides aren’t simply sowing chaos and searching for clout? you think there’s actual attempts to communicate here??? you think these fags sperging at each other really care and aren’t simply furthering their own agendas? Heh

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>>69142510
Don't know what to tell you about the screenshot other than I saw it and it was pretty blatant. Millie would have no reason to lie about Niji needed permission from the livers to use them in projects though considering that's a very strange thing to lie about for no reason. No one was even accusing Niji of forcibly making their livers be put in merch or voice packs

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129478
>Dokifags
I never even knew of Doki back in 2021
Personally I stand with Mocca

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I used to watch NijiEN a lot around the time it was only LazuSydia around and from what I recall (but my memory could be hazy), Selen has always been somewhat distant from the rest, kinda doing her own thing.
Could it be possible that resentment could have been brewing for a long time between her and the rest of EN? Not anything too serious but a slow divide that only got worse over time both from Selen's (potential, BPD alleged) propensity to paranoia and the bitchy, cliquey nature of the other half of the livers?
It wouldn't excuse Elira and the others if it turns out they actually were fucking with her on purpose, but I have a hard time believing the resentment was entirely one-sided considering how split people seem to be internally.

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>>69142915
I know those two became but who's mocca?

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>>69143184
People here don't actually watch streams but Selen is extremely socially anxious. It took years for her to be in an off collab even though she lived in Canada, close to a bunch of other coworkers

People claimed the clique was made up of Elira, Millie, Enna, Reimu, Petra, Rosemi, Shu, Kyo, Uki and Selen considering she off collabed with basically everyone in Canada and formed a subgroup with enna

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>>69129382
I was membered to her for two years
I've now unsubbed and blocked her

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>>69143598
Not to ring that bell over and over but that would make sense if she's actually diagnosed with BPD.
The nijisanji twitter post worded it in a strange way, specifically saying that it was "mismanagement" which led to her feeling harassed by other livers.
I wonder what the exact cocktail was, how many parts actual conscious targeted harassment, how many parts judgment failure, how many parts extrapolation from slights (perceived or real) on Selen's side, etc

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>>69142650
> If they didn't like what she did, just outright fire her like a normal monday for kurosanji.

They usually give livers the benefit of the doubt as long as they clear up the mistake and apologize. Unless the public is cancelling you like Zaion and you don't have your reputation to save you

>As for the bullying part, she claimed nothing of sort, that part was from the 3 page doc kurosanji released. You can tell how retarded they are for admitting that. She also wasn't aware she was getting bullied until her lawyer told her.

Blatantly wrong. Doki's first statement about this on her Twitter says she was "bullied from within". Within being heavily implied to be Nijisanji. As obvious as Zaion being "The Girl" in Sayu's document. Her lawyers obviously didn't materialize out of thin air and say YOU'RE BEING BULLIED, she thought she was, got evidence then went to a lawyer and the lawyer happily took the case because lawyers like money and some will take cases win or lose.

> There was no lawsuit after the attempted suicide
There clearly was since Doki claimed she was bullied from within, Nijisanji says she claimed harassment, there were legal documents being shared then Elira, Vox and Ike said she claimed harassment.

>It was a "surprise" because she was expecting her lawyer to make a graduation deal instead.

It was a surprise to her because it was abrupt and sudden with no follow up on her lawsuit. She probably expected Niji to try and negotiate with her, maybe she'd push for better management or higher cuts

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>>69144119
>She probably expected Niji to try and negotiate with her, maybe she'd push for better management or higher cuts

In her own words, she wanted an amicable split which probably meant 2 things
1) She gets to have a graduation stream
2) She gets to release the coffee MV or Nijisanji foots the bill for its production

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>>69132656
>Spend 15k on an MV for Christmas
>Christmas day
>Umm yeah sorry for the wait.....uuuhhh.... I'll have to ask because it has graduated livers here..... huurrrr... duuuurrr... hehe..
At that rate the MV would've been approved by new year's eve, losing all purpose, just put yourself in her position.

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>Reading the statement at the same time as Doki's stream
I have been watching Pomu for 2 years now and I'll follow her forever. I loved her collabs with Elira and I genuinely liked her. What she did was just vile.
>but what if they threatened her with
I don't care.
>but what if they are right and Selen is a menhera and
I don't care.

They knew Doki was feeling bad enough to try to commit suicide, and they still chose to pull this shit. They fucking sold their souls, and there's no coming back from that.

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>>69143898
I honestly have always thought the harassment from other livers were like a small addendum to complaints over managment. "Because managnent couldnt do their job and respond in time other livers started harassing me over not getting permission" something like that. Dont think that fits the definition of harassment. It might just be from the document selen sent to her lawyer. I'm starting to think it was a bad move to send it. AC clearly have pounced on interperting every detail in the worst way imaginable.

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>>69141426
There's no strong evidence if there's a clique and less evidence that the clique is malicious. The most gotten was that Nina felt excluded by her own wave but that got fixed after a while.
The favoritism is pretty blatant but it's to be expected that a corporation would put out more merch and content featuring it's highest earners and making them the face of the branch. I don't think anything proves that they never get punished though. The Luca drama isn't enough to suspend him. He let his menhera mod play on his Minecraft account and she accused him of a bunch of bullshit, big whoop. even if he did leak discord screen shots, so did whoever posted that Fulgur leak and they're still in the company

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>>69144562
I can't blame AC for that though. Harassment is not even a clearly defined term both colloquially and legally. Everyone has a different threshold for feeling unsafe and harassment is defined from the pov of the harassed.
Which means a couple of things: The worst thing that usually happens to harassers are restraining orders (and for good reason) and also that people can freely define harassment and/or bullying based on their subjective experience. Subjective experiences can be distorted due to many factors and even with a heap of circumstantial evidence it's hard to prove someone was harassed to suicide by any one specific person or thing.
What happened to Selen is honestly a fucking shame, and I feel terrible for her, but people are way too quick to claim the rest of the livers are so sociopathic they would not only willingly push a girl to her death but also lament the fact she failed.

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>>69144525
>I have been loyal to the US for years and I love it from the bottom of my heart and it's collaborations with the USSR were great but what they just did was vile.
>But Germany tried to
>Don't care
>But he started a bloody wa...
>Don't care
>They knew Hitler was feeling bad enough to try and commit suicide but they still chose to try and arrest them. I'll never forgive those commies

That's what people sound like when they just give someone a pass because they killed themselves

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>>69144525
Just attempt suicide and this dude will believe anything you say lol.

If someone claimed that you bullied them to attempt suicide you wouldn't be happy either.

I am sympathetic for what Doki is going through. Dipshits like you claiming that there is some evil conspiracy against her are moronic.

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>>69129478
>did nothing wrong
Judas Iscariot moment.

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>>69129382
I enjoyed her AI Somnium playthroughs, she seemed really nice and sweet, it's depressing to find out she's a backstage bully

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>>69144119
>bullying part
>Blatantly wrong. Doki's first statement about this on her Twitter says she was "bullied from within".
retard, look at the timeline of those posts. she merely confirmed the bullying.
>3 page doc mentions bullying
>doki post about not being silenced and confirms bullying
>lawsuit
there wasn't. it was an HR complaint so she could get out of there. kurosanji thought it was so here we are
>surprise
yes it was because she wanted a graduation to say goodbye to her fans
you NDF faggots will try to steer this your way but i'll be /here/
fuck kurosanji and fuck all of you

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>>69145429
>>69145586
Fuck off, they knew the attempt was real because they saw the hospital records, and even so they chose to pull this shit while she was streaming. They wanted to hurt her as much as they could.

It's not even about who is right. Doki could have easily had another breakdown and made another attempt.

What they did was reckless, irresponsible, and malicious.

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>>69138490
Enjoy getting fired for using a piss bottle while flipping burgers because its more "efficient".

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>>69140200
It's not like that time slot is prime time for an NA centered audience. Niji is obviously trying to bully my gf into suicide wahhhhhhh

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>>69145429
>Selen is literally Hitler

We finally reached there.

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>>69146135
5 PM PST/8PM EST after so many days of nothing? Fuck off.

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>>69146047
Pissing in a bottle in a kitchen is a health and safety violation that would get your employer sued. Selen using Niji IP in a Niji project has no legal risk.

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>>69145987
>retard, look at the timeline of those posts. she merely confirmed the bullying.
Doesn't matter, what was originally said was she never claimed she was bullied and she did. However said it first doesn't matter
>it was an HR complaint
The most easy to debunk. HR complaints aren't referred to as legal documents. Selen wouldn't need a lawyer to file a complaint to her boss for her. Doki wouldn't be complaining about a breach of confidentiality or NDA if it was an HR complaint since HR files count as private property. An HR complaint would have been sent to Niji's HR and not their lawyers. Doki never even claims it was an HR complaint in which she would have no reason not to. Nijisanji would not immediately fire a liver for criticizing them. They didn't do it with every liver on stream complaining about shit conditions. I don't care how much you hate Niji, don't be emotional

>because she wanted a graduation to say goodbye to her fans
Maybe. Vox did say he was going to graduate with her should she leave but that fell through after she got herself fired. If she wanted to negotiate a peaceful leave for herself, she probably shouldn't have gotten lawyers involved

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>>69146380
>If she wanted to negotiate a peaceful leave for herself, she probably shouldn't have gotten lawyers involved

[Anonymous No.]

Elira bad

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>>69142648
Ah, yes. Don't we all love our armchair psychologists on /vt/?
"She is mentally ill, so it's okay to victim-blame her and doubt every word she says like she is some kind of psycho serial killer!"
Faggots like you are the reason shit like lobotomies were popular. You blatantly ignore all the history that built up to this incident, ignore the history of this scummy company and the fact that one doesn't need to be mentally ill to be stressed the fuck out about such a situation.
Oh gee, maybe such shit could've been avoided if they took proper care of their talents' mental health instead of letting them fend for themselves!?
Imagine stepping so low, defending a sweatshop corpo where the CEO only started to care because it impacted the stock price.
You fucking joke of a human.

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>>69146380
>vox was going to graduate with her should she leave

DYRBI i mean goddamn how gullible can you be?

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>>69146380
>If she wanted to negotiate a peaceful leave for herself, she probably shouldn't have gotten lawyers involved
You are genuinely the most fucking retarded person I have ever seen on this website

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>>69146020
It doesn't matter if the attempt was real. Whether she faked it or not, a suicide attempt is a good way to get public opinion to side with you.

Elira chose prime time for the video to be uploaded and Doki was streaming an hour before it. Saying Elira was trying to bully Selen into a third attempt is foolish. They're not going to wait for a day where Doki isn't streaming to upload the video, streams go on for hours

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>>69146668
I hope the rrat about my oshi isn't true(not Nijigger)

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>>69146735
>It doesn't matter if the attempt was real.
Fucking retard. I'm done. Enjoy choking on Anycolor's dick.

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>>69144986
>You havent responded for over a week, heres some material Selen provided to me. If if you dont start negotiating we'll come out with a public statment and start a lawsuit based on the material in the document.
>SELEN IS GONNA SHARE THE DOCUMENT! QUICK TERMINATE HER CONTRACT AND DENY ALL ALLEGATIONS!
>I was bullied and tied to kill myself.
>OMG I JUST REALIZED THAT SELEN MENTIONED ELIRA LIVES IN [CITY] IN THE DOCUMENT SHE IS GOING TO PUBLISH! THAT IS DOXXING! QUICK MAKE SURE TO TELL EVERYONE!

Until I see more evidence this matches up with both sides claims and makes sense to me. Maybe selens lawyer was more aggressive and the alligations of livers harassing her didnt originate from that document. Maybe the document mentioned something that could actually be used to pinpoint elira. Maybe they said that they would share parts of what the document contained with the public. AC is still a moron bringing this to the public eye. They better apologize for the black stream and be like "with all stess caused by the backlash we were in a bad space mentally and mistakenly thought Selen had secretly recorded us and threatened to leak our private information. This was caused by a misscommunication between us and the japanese legal team. We realize that streaming at the same time was in poor taste and regret our actions" or some shit like that. Doubt they will though.

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>>69146722
Yes, surely the company who currently have every right to fire you will be extremely sympathetic to you after sending lawyers to their doorstep and handing you a lawsuit claiming the company harassed her. They will definitely not take this as a possible threat to the company and fire you using what landed you in hot water in the first place.

Jesus fuck. Don't listen to dramafags on VT for advice on not to get fired

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>>69146722
Yes, surely the company who currently have every right to fire you will be extremely sympathetic to you after you send lawyers to their doorstep and hand them a lawsuit claiming the company and other important employees harassed you. They will definitely not take this as a possible threat to the company and fire you using what landed you in hot water in the first place.

Jesus fuck. Don't listen to dramafags on VT for advice on not to get fired

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>>69146861
Are all Dokicucks such emotional faggots?

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>>69147016
They chose to battle in the public opinion over settling despite having all information and they lost.

You cant possibly believe she lawyered up with the goal of remaining employed.

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>>69146685
Holy shit, what an emotional faggot. I'll entertain you even though you probably are too much of a piss baby to care.

Build up and history are irrelevant right now since that isn't what caused the breaking point. The breaking point was Selen getting asked questions from the livers about why she broke the rules. Perm shit probably was really annoying and stressful to deal with. The management did shut down projects but no reason was given so we don't know if it was justified. One doesn't need to be mentally ill to be stressed but Selen was mentally ill which obviously made things significantly worse considering she's the one in NijiEn to attempt suicide

Companies are not responsible for your mental health, sorry to say. You are. Multiple livers have taken extended breaks from being in Niji and can choose to return when they please. Kunai literally just got back from a month long break and she just started. It's unknown whether Niji was aware of her mental illness or how extreme it was. The last paragraph is just emotional dribble. Keep trying to pull on people's heart strings because your logical arguments fall to shit

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Jesus guys, protip, if you feel that a termination was unjust, or there was workplace harassment, you get a lawyer involved if you can... It's a good way to not get screwed over. The problem with 4chan and the internet in general is that you occasionally just get pre-teens posting in the same place as ppl who've worked in their lives

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder how Elira's bro is, taking it...

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>>69147634
Usually for a termination to be unjust, you need to actually be terminated.
Usually if you feel there's workplace harassment, you report it to the higher ups or the appropriate channels first. You don't throw a lawsuit at the company especially if they have reason to fire you already. There also usually be workplace harassment to report as well

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>>69147388
I don't, that was my point. Only a retard believes she sent an HR complaint so Niji beheaded her

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>>69147097
We just wanted to stream some fucking neopets.

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>>69147822
He's fine. Elira is too. They got their Chad of a dad.

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>>69147097
Your days are numbered cliqueheads.

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>>69147097
>Elira fake crying on the blacked video
>Vox "I would've graduated along as solidarity"
Spare us your theatric NDF

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>>69147960
Uhh... even if you're threatened with a lawsuit and then fired, you still can't illegally fire people. Depending on the region, there's generally a grace period for termination during hospitalization due to work-related reasons and even non-work related reasons. You get a lawyer involved as early as possible because, for one thing, such termination doesn't just come suddenly, for another, if you're not financially stable, you want this resolved as soon as possible.

Also workplace harassment and supposedly reporting to higher ups (lol you fucking report to HR first thing my guy), I don't understand why doing those first somehow prevents you from also involving lawyers so the proceedings are lawful.

I'm not actually sure you understand the implication of bringing a lawyer into something. It doesn't automatically somehow mean that there's gonna be a lawsuit. Many times you involve a lawyer as a consultant so that there isn't anything unlawful that happens during a complicated employment situation.

Doki herself has claimed that she never sent them legal documents with the intent to sue, so not sure why you're going off on how she should've just taken a punch in the face. I hope that one day, you also don't simply just take it in the face and, to avoid a similar confusion, consult a fucking lawyer

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>>69129382
Same. I just watched her play Xenoblade. I never would have expected something like this. She seemed cool from what I saw.

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>>69143258
still indie, he/she/it said that your debut is the most important shit in your career so you should spend a lot of money and effort on it. Millie took offense to this and started a bullying campaign and Elira backed her up. And ironically enough Millie took Moccas words to heart since she spent a fuck ton on her debut (which didnt pay out so well since she is a retarded evil ESL bitch)

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>>69148393
Oh and Mocca has said that NijiEN is full of shitty people but vouched for Pomu (even thought Pomu was involved in that shit Millie and Elira started on twitter)

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>>69148334
She wasn't illegally fired, she blatantly broke the rules, misled the public and publicly shit on her manager. Selen was fired after a month so there's the possible grace period. It also works completely differently for contractors who break the agreements of the contract.

Bringing in a lawyer doesn't mean that there's gonna be a lawsuit. But this time it did considering it was all lawyer to lawyer conversations and legal documents being handed out. Not HR complaints like you're probably arguing. And just because she said she never intended to sue doesn't mean she didn't threaten to sue. The last thing I would if I was was about to be rightfully fired from my job would be to send a lawsuit to them to (supposedly) negotiate a peaceful firing

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>>69148486
Pomu wasn't involved in the Millie & Elira mobbing of Mocca.

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>>69148335
Same, I've watched so much Elira so I'm 100% biased towards her, but I can't recall a stream where she was malicious towards someone she collabed with, even when playing games she'd never mock the creator. I really hope there's misunderstanding on Selen's part and the bullying she felt that Elira was part of was something silly like Elira inviting the NA livers sans Selen to meet up.

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>>69149081
Oh yeah I remember now, Pomu was and Mocca appeared in notPomus graduation so they are on good terms

[Anonymous No.]

>>69149270
If Pomu was still good friends with Elira, Millie and Enna, if you are taking Mocca at face value, wouldn't Pomu be two faced?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69130871
were you cucked by elira , mille? couldn't get on that Yacht with Riku-Sama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69149270
>Pomu was
Pomu was neutral
>>69149404
I would say so but then again I dont know what the fuck goes around backstage at vtuber companies. It is easy to imagine musicians in a band hating each other yet still perform together while it is hard to see vtubers collab that much and hate each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>69149404
Pomu just wants to be friendly with everyone. She doesn't want to be a part of a group of friends, she wants to be everyone's friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69149548
Pomu is the best and I love her with all my heart

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>>69148693
>blatantly broke the rules

Considering the enormous involvement management should have had in the production and release of that MV, they would have had to either be immensely malicious or incompetent in order to fuck things up the way they did. Unless you're a stooge who believes in an extreme focus on the technicality, rather than the spirit, of rules, there's nothing "blatant" about her response. But if you want to continue being the good kurokara lapdog that you are, then that's on you.

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>>69148693
>she blatantly broke the rules
The Song perms was granted a year ago
The artists were all paid out of Selens own pocket
The only rule that was broken is "ex-livers"
That rule is retarded because Nijisanji OWNS THE IP TO THOSE LIVERS and therefore no longer has to ask the PLs for permission to use them in any capacity.

Its like if Noel was forbidden from having rushia in the background of her room for some fucking reason. But oh look, pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69150003
Doesn't matter if the rule is retarded. Rules are rules. You break them, you get punished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69149831
>>69150003
It's already been said in this very thread that it's been proven Nijisanji is extremely hands off in all of the projects the livers work on as said by Doki, Mysta, and Nina. Niji probably had 0 involvement in the production of the video since all artists were probably chosen by Selen and paid by Selen except for granting Selen perms when asked.

The MV took so long to produce that members graduated while it was made. Again said in this thread, Millie has said that Niji needs permission from livers to be used in projects and livers can refuse to be in projects if they choose to. They either need permission from the Ex-liver or permission from people farther up on the totem pole. You people don't know how Niji operates on the inside. Stop choosing to make bad faith interpretations like "The manager was just lying and trolling Selen about perms to make her overdose lol"

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>>69129510
Last part implies you watched her.

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>>69150436
>They either need permission from the Ex-liver
They 100% do not need this if Nijisanji owns the character and people who leave are never allowed to use them ever again, and are severely limited in how they can mention previously working for Nijisanji. There is nothing a past talent can do to dispute their old character being used as a puppet. And if they did, in Selen's case, they would look like major assholes.

>or permission from people farther up on the totem pole
This is why the rule is retarded. Common sense dictates that if you really want your "nijisanji family" you simply let selen give a tribute to all the talents both past and present and everybody watching it is all smiles. There is objectively no downside. The fact that some old man in a suit, or worse, a young girl with a grudge, is standing in the way of this is ridiculous.

Lastly, Since the project was a year in the making (As per getting the song perms itself), are you telling me that nobody in management ever looked at ANY of the art in development for the song beforehand? Selen not only paid out of pocket, but management didn't have a single discussion about "Hey what exactly are they drawing?" until the day of?

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>>69150436
>They either need permission from the Ex-liver
They are still selling Selen merch. They don't need permission for shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69150279
I think the point is that the rule is arbitrary and done only to harass

[Anonymous No.]

>>69147097
No, he just doesn't want to talk with someone who'd kill his own mother if it pleases his oshi.

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>>69150678
>They 100% do not need this if Nijisanji owns the character and people who leave are never allowed to use them ever again, and are severely limited in how they can mention previously working for Nijisanji.

This is disproved by Millie in her Niji management defense stream saying that livers need to give permission to be used in projects and they could have refused to to be in projects they didn't want to. Along with the company policy probably being used to private management continuing to profit off people who no longer work. This is also why they don't just hire replacement actors for the characters like Kizuna AI probably

>Common sense dictates that if you really want your "nijisanji family" you simply let selen give a tribute to all the talents

No one is saying the person giving permissions from higher up in Niji is even part of EN. They would probably have a guy who's job it is to be in charge of Niji models/characters, how they're used and why they're used. I don't think a Niji member could just choose to skinwalk a graduated member for a stream and for that to just be allowed.

>are you telling me that nobody in management ever looked at ANY of the art in development for the song beforehand
Yes. Niji management is retarded. This is backed by multiple people including Doki herself

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>>69150710
Selen gave permission for the merch to be produced before she was terminated. Doki never rescinded permission for the merch to be made and it's now in circulation. I doubt Doki cares that much about the merch considering it's standard fair in Niji to sell merch of livers who have graduated and Doki stated multiple times she doesn't want to fight Niji.

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>>69150946
So you aren't loyal to your oshi? What a disloyal fuckwad

[Anonymous No.]

She's a Xenoblade fan, you can't trust those people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69141958
>Shondo was right, right about women.
What did she say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129382
Elira... Thank you... You bullied a girl into suicide... for our sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69130946
Elira is just like Enna and Millie, the thing about her is that she's only like them in social settings. If she's alone in her room playing JRPGs for 10 hours she's not like that, but if she's in a social setting she can enter her bitchy queen bee mode.
Even back when I used to watch NijiEN years ago people speculated that Elira was a regular Stacy who got raped and became a recluse because of it.

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>>69150436
sounds like a lot of shit that should be the managers problem
reminder that an MV gets storyboarded and gets permission for everything before you fucking draw shit
if there has been any fuck up its on nijisanji and her manager and I dont blame her for break a rule when she has gotten dicked around by niji and management for over a year.
I am a musician and if someone dicked me around for a year for no good reason for a performance I wanted to do I would have unironically punched them in the fucking face and so would my friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>69154060
There's no evidence the music video took a year to produce because management fucked her over. She has to wait for permission to use the song for a cover, had to get permission to hire artists and the musician probably, had to wait for the artists to draw everything including the animation parts, had to record her cover, had to mix it and probably a lot more steps. Multiple talents talk about how long and hard they work to get projects done, it's not smart to say the reason it takes so long is solely because of management

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji being bad company doesn't excuse Selen's menhera BPD behaviour. Literally both parties are wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69154374
>She has to wait for permission to use the song for a cover,
got it in 2022 but go off king
and no other MV has taken this much time

[Anonymous No.]

>>69154480
>No other music video took this long

Most covers barely have any art or detailed animation. Her video is probably around the same tier of Gura's animation which took a long time to make. Creating an animation takes a long time to make and a lot of effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129382
same man, same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69154449
Let me do some basic math for you:
Big company > 1 Employee
Holding them at the same standards is idiotic. These are two entirely different levels of wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>Elira is now considered a BLACK vtuber by everyone
Where did everything go so wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69129382
yeah
because of her i'm not even holding out any more hope for rosemi. the whole thing seems rotten at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>69137129
Why did the artists who worked on the MV say they were never paid by Niji? Why did Selen step in to pay them from her own pocket if it wasn't her responsibility?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69157696
when she made that moronic statement

[Anonymous No.]

>>69157696
When the most retarded video in nijisanji's history was posted in her channel. I still can't believe that shit is real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69145637
Holy kek.
Literally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69157696
Elira has always been black though

[Anonymous No.]

>>69158537
>Why did the artists who worked on the MV say they were never paid by Niji?
Niji didn't hire them. Selen did. Any projects the talents themselves plan on doing are paid out of their own pocket. They only allowed Selen to hire them after her giving her permission

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand the position that Doki is pushing this situation for drama. Genuinely don't, and I was never a fan of her, as Doki or Selen. Every time this situation got bigger and more public, it was purely due to Niji's actions, THEIR statemens THEIR videos. Doki seems like the least unstable menhera "accuser" ever since she's tried her best to leave it private (without poiting fingers at any one specific person at Niji), for the lawyers to solve it, but Niji and Niji livers are always trying their best to bring this to twitter for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69132787
If you had even a sliver of dignity, I'd feel bad that your only job opportunities from now on will be gulping down salaryman semen, Elira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69160429
to destroy nijisanji
she browses in here
she knows everyone hates nijisanji
she is HERE

[Anonymous No.]

>>69160690
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69160897
nice try... DOKI

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>>69160429
Twitter is highly visible and makes it so much easier for them mobilise the NDF. Imagine what Doki's DM's look like if she hasn't turned them off. The problem is this isn't Zaion who was relatively new and hadn't had much time to cultivate a hardcore base. Selen's one of the ogs and people already were unimpressed with the whole Zaion situation, then add in the constant stream of graduations and terminations of long time streamers and average joe can figure out something fucking shady is happening behind the scenes

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>>69150003
>The only rule that was broken is "ex-livers"
And even that seems to have been invented just to fuck with her. At the last minute, at that.

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niji brought the harassment allegations forward to the public eye, and also expected selen to negotiate graduation and/or future proceedings while recovering in the hospital. now, if you're not a dumbass, you don't wish anything but a safe and healthy recovery when your employee or contractor is in the hospital. and if you are dumb enough to not do this, you certainly don't admit to doing anything else like niji did. and you certainly do not imply your employee's coworkers (that are still active) are the ones who had a hand in your employee's unfortunate experiences within your company. selen made sure to only mention a toxic work environment when all this came out, and people only assumed it wasn't management because nijisanji specified "livers." while i get that there are rules and regulations, niji had every opportunity to simply let this be selen's folly and fumbled every fucking time like clockwork. i cannot defend them in that regard, they fucking admitted that absolutely irrelevant parties read sealed legal documents. and note i am only talking about things that are 100% confirmed. i really want to know who would logically and reasonably defend them after this

[Anonymous No.]

Me, I’m just tired of the same fags posting the same walls of text for weeks straight

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>>69129603
Based.
>>69130537
kek
>>69129478
cope.
>>69130044
This guy gets it. Kurosanji is already over, it's just the time the tower fall. The question is who will remain and where will they go? And who will go in Hololive?

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>>69161105
Absolutely. I said it I'll say it again.
Zaion just lived the same fate than Selen but hadn't 900k followers to kick back…
For that, every dragooners are hypocrites since they stomped on Zaion shamelessly and suddenly accused their favorite black company to be evil when their leaf rice bitch turned out to be a victim too.
They shitted the board with
>SELEN DOKO
>Selen will return and stream normally once the dust settle down and if you think otherwise you're a schizo
and suddenly they're heroes supporting their poor oshi. Holobros probably let it slip since they knew they could destroy Nijisanji by doing so.
Cynical shit here kek.

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>>69129603
On a somewhat related note, I've seen porn of her in a bukkake with ugly bastards and a few ryonas not long after this announcement took off. I have a hunch there's gonna be more of that in the future lmao.

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>>69132656
>The information needed is out in the public
It sure is when you twist facts and speculate. Oh wait.

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>>69129382
Always had a feeling she was a mythic bitch, honestly. Thankful I never got up to watch one of her streams and only had to deal with her when Shu was there, but even then I was barely paying attention.

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>>69146380
>If she wanted to negotiate a peaceful leave for herself, she probably shouldn't have gotten lawyers involved
Why the fuck would you not get lawyers involved when it comes to employment contracts? Are you fucking retarded?

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>>69162963
Because she threw a lawsuit at her employers that already had plausible cause to terminate the contract and were willingly to ignore the contract breach if she made up for it. It's not that hard to not attack the person you want something from.

If I needed to borrow 20 bucks and my friend said "sure, just give me a bite of your sandwich" , I wouldn't pull out of a gun and rob him

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>>69163872
>If I needed to borrow 20 bucks and my friend said "sure, just give me a bite of your sandwich" , I wouldn't pull out of a gun and rob him
You are literally brain damaged if you think this is a good comparison. Also you're completely ignoring the fact that the company has lawyers on their side. This isn't a friendly request between friends. This is a contract dispute with potentially millions on the line. You're either incredibly retarded or naive.