status check

[Anonymous No.]

>Their silence is deafening
Where's the counter-attack? They just need to say that she's LYING!!! If she's not lying, then maybe make an apology stream, like a decent person would do

"Apologize" means to express regret or sorrow for something one has done wrong or to acknowledge responsibility for a mistake or offense and express remorse for it. It involves acknowledging the hurt or inconvenience caused to others and often includes a sincere effort to make amends or rectify the situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
You know what else is deafening? The silence around why artists thought NijiEN was going to pay for Selen's personal pet projects. Not even Hololive or Vshojo do that, so where did they get that idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
For me the biggest problem is: why the *fuck* did they, on a "response" stream, decide to fucking accuse her of doxxing/spreading personal information and recording conversations? Did they think that would change the tides and make everyone defend them instead? By throwing someone who attempted suicide under the bus? It's just completely retarded.

They could've just addressed the situation regarding the cover and shown the screenshots, which still would've been bad, but just adding extra fuel to the fire was retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
You can comprehend it like that or when the artist said that Selen had to pay from her personnal paypal, it mean that niji was suppose to pay the artist has an intermediate (probably tho prevent leaking talents info)

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233216
Most likely they were getting heat from long-term fans and paypigs and had to rally the sisters to the company's defense. Yeah it backfired horribly in the larger court of public opinion but the message got through to the core audience that the livers all HATE Selen, they shouldn't have any sympathy for her, and they should keep giving Niji money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233216
My guess is, it was a call to publicly demoralise Doki. They didn't utilise Milla, Enna, Aster, Scarle or Luca because they were already suspect/dealing with their own dramas. They utilised 3 fresh talents. Vox and Ike who were her friends. Elira who was her lore sister. Specifically the inclusion of Vox and Ike who have large female fanbases. The fact Elira is in it just kind of proves she was a de-facto manager. They used extremely emotive arguments like betrayal and doxxing, these arguments were sure to elicit a response.

None of this was meant to sway public opinion but it was meant to stab Doki in the heart and rally their fanbases to harass/defend Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

They were hoping they could do the same thing they did to Sayu. But pretty much self reported in Elira's case and look fucking stupid in Vox Akuma, Ace Attorney's. Ike was there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
Because that's the way it's normally done? Yes, the money ultimately comes from the liver's own pockets. But that's because the corporation is supposed to deduct it from the pay that's going to the liver, and send it to the artist. This allows management to keep track of project progress and spending, facilitate accounting since you don't have to do reimbursement, resolve disputes and make payments on time without involvement on the part of the liver, who has many other responsibilities. That way you don't get situations where the liver is like 'oh haha I would have paid but I, uh, spent everything on my house downpayment' while the artist is smearing them and your corporation on twitter for payment that still hasn't come after months.
At least, that's how it's supposed to work. In this case apparently the branch itself can't be bothered to defend its own reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233468
That's not how they expressed it and the way people understandit though, it sounded like they were implying NijiEN was forcing Selen to foot the bill they were responsible for paying. Just look at the comments about anything related to this topic on twitter or YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234004
this is where they fucked up NijiENs strongest legitimate fanbase were pomudachis and dragoons and both of those were long gone in defending NijiEN

and its hilarious if they even thought of the prospect that sisters would defend them

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234179
Probably because there's nothing to defend since the artists got paid. This isn't even an issue, I have no idea how it was brought up like it was one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234195
> it sounded like they were implying NijiEN was forcing Selen to foot the bill they were responsible for paying
If you can't read. Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234346
That's the case for 99% of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234334
You...you really don't see the issue in late payments, especially for artists? Some people actually have to pay rent. Selen was well within her rights to tell them, 'tough luck, nothing I can do, wait for management to get off their ass'. That's why they're defending her, because they know she went out of her way to help them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234454
Unfortunate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
>Not even Hololive or Vshojo do that
Look at that Elira stream and show one other company where this sort of behaviour is acceptable before you claim you understand the industy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234346
No, this goes beyond just not being able to read, the usual drama channels and grifters talking about this are purposely misconstruing it or making it seem like it's some big problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234524
NijiEN doesn't make the payments, Selen is responsible for the payments because it's her projects. If it's late then she was late not NijiEN.
>>69234599
Holo talents pay for their own projects outside of corpo mandated or sponsored stuff, this is already well know. Where tf did this rrat about the corpo paying for talent's personal projects even come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234195
At the same time, those artists also probably work with other agencies (holo, vshojo, ...) were the companies is responsible for a lot of stuff because they are employee.
Niji talents are more "contracted freelancer with no freedom" were the livers are responsible for most of the things.
Since management is shit and can't even send correct NDA, the documents for the contracts are probably dogshit too. Meaning the artists can't comprehend clearly who responsible for what and just assume Niji is responsible for the stuffs like all others normal vt agencies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234639
I don't know what to tell you anon. The words are there in black and white and it's pretty unambiguous what is meant if English is your native language. The specification of whose PayPal is was coming negates the idea that it was Niji's responsibility to use their funds to pay artists.

If people can't read and want to misinterpret it, that's on them. Overall, who really gives a shit? Nijisanji can get fucked either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234741
>NijiEN doesn't make the payments, Selen is responsible for the payments because it's her projects. If it's late then she was late not NijiEN.

Receipts?
Why would artists complain about not being paid by Nijisanji if it was Selen who was meant to be paying them the entire time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234756
I give a shit about people not playing fast and loose with facts, that's how bullshit rrats run a muck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234004
Exactly this. Its no coincidence the video was uploaded when Doki was live. They were trying to get her to go menhera on stream to bully her off the internet again. It failed spectacularly, Doxi showed her strength in ending the stream how she did and the Dragoons went into overdrive.

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>>69234741
>NijiEN doesn't make the payments, Selen is responsible for the payments because it's her projects. If it's late then she was late not NijiEN.
Did you not read her statements?
Did you not read Niji's?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234811
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING WHERE TF DID THEY GET THE IDEA NIJIEN WAS GOING TO PAY THEM WHEN IT'S SELEN'S PROJECT???

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234828
>I give a shit about people not playing fast and loose with facts, that's how bullshit rrats run a muck.

Then go cry about it on those channels then. Doki has stated exactly what she meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234004
Or they actually believe what they're saying, hoped people would actually be reasonable and look at the situation unbiasedly, gave evidence of rightful termination then gave context as to why the claims of harassment was false and thought people would be most likely to receive said information from the most liked and popular members of Niji.

Unfortunately the public doesn't like evidence and context anymore, they perceived it as more bullying and harassment then tried to crucify Elira, Vox and Ike upside down

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234741
Because usually corporate pays their talents to then pay out of pocket, Niji does not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234888
>THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING WHERE TF DID THEY GET THE IDEA NIJIEN WAS GOING TO PAY THEM WHEN IT'S SELEN'S PROJECT???

Well anon, like the other anon said, Selen does pay them but she pays them via Nijisanji who deals with the payments. I think this is pretty standard because Paypal doxxes the fuck out of you when you pay or are paid by someone.

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>>69234888
Refer back to >>69234179

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>>69234746
Also see how surprised Matara was when her manager offer to take charge of stuff she used to do - She specifically motion the manager proposing to deal with artists producing her assets

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233216
I think they were trying to fuck with her live on stream hoping that she wold say or do something incriminating.

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>>69232880
Ike just streamed yesterday to more or less his usual numbers with barely any noticeable negative backlash in both chat and comments, but he had the smallest role in the announcement video so I expected him to catch the least flak to begin with. I don't know how Vox will fare but he, much like Ike, have a rabid fanbase of yumes who will probably stick by him, Elira is probably going to catch the brunt of it when or even if she comes back to streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234999
No look at this bullshit, why is this false info not being challenged literally by anybody??

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234741
Oh my god, do you also think her Youtube channel is tagged to her bank account and she's expected to pay Nijisanji their cut manually? No agency would take the chance of skimming or the talent just cutting them out. They want as much control over the financial flows as possible, and that includes outflows to third-parties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234913
You're supposed to boil the boots first before eating it anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235120
And this?? WTF

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234913
>gave evidence of rightful termination
Nobody, at this point, gives a shit about the termination. It is how Nijisanji has handled the entire situation which is what people are fucking furious about. They completely failed to understand that.
> then gave context as to why the claims of harassment was false
If Nijisanji was so certain of the claims, then they would have provided the evidence. Nobody would take them at face value after all the shit they have pulled.
>thought people would be most likely to receive said information from the most liked and popular members of Niji.
This is incredibly tone deaf and stupid. At that point, prior to the 3 stooges getting on camera and shooting themselves in the shoot and then turning the gun on Milla and Enna, everybody was angry at AnyColor. It should have been on their corporate account.

Nijisanji used up any and all goodwill in that termination document, they showed they are childish, malicious and incompetent through and through. That's why nobody gives them the benefit of the doubt because they don't deserve it unless they are going to provide absolute concrete proof of anything they are saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234811
At least one of the artist who came forward was responsible for the art for her birthday merch. Corpo is responsible for the merchandises and livers have 1% commissions on them.
Still, she said that it was Selen who directly paid her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235045
Ike's the only one I can see being safe because of his role in the video and how nervous he sounded compared to the other two.
I think a lot of his fans and people will give him the benefit of the doubt that he had no backbone to say no or they have some pretty bad blackmail on him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234179
Thats kinda fucked up considering the stalking and doxxing that happens to idol whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235145
This argument of the three of them being bootlickers is retarded. A bunch of people in Niji decided to shit on Nijisanji publicly after they canceled the AR live abruptly. If Selen was actually right and the management was actually perm fucking her, why wouldn't they join Selen on shitting management again?

Occam's razor is management did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235235
>fence sitter
Trust me, he will either be made into scapegoat by the clique or the mob get to him first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235298
Anon...Nobody cares about the perms bullshit at this stage. Regardless of Selen being right or wrong on the perms, it does not excuse what Nijisanji has done since.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235235
Bro heard the shit coming from Elira and Vox and started coughing and had to take a drink kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235298
>Luxiem publicly shat on niji's excuse on twitter
>Nothing
>Zaion liked some negative tweets about kurosanji
>Off with her head!
And this is without going into that idiotic excuse of needing to get the perms for featuring graduated livers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235298
>Luxnoc getting preferential treatment from management/the clique
Water is wet

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235119
What am I supposed to be looking at here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
calm down, elira. we will find out in time how you will be sold to the yakuza

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234741
>Holo talents pay for their own projects outside of corpo mandated or sponsored stuff, this is already well know. Where tf did this rrat about the corpo paying for talent's personal projects even come from?
that's not strictly true. hololive talents can get budget and support from cover for their own projects. it's on case by case basis

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
No, they were not pet projects.

Selen was doing what she was hired to do - offer entertaining streams and in doing so meet her viewers' expectations. That requires creativity and autonomy, along with financial backing. She delivered content for NijiEN despite the lack of financial backing and her being obstructed by JP management and the NijiEN queen bee and her sycophants. She continues to deliver content as an indie creator.

Contrary to your assertion, Holo and VShojo do financially back their talents on different projects. Bae's recent Mind Craft content comes to mind. Both agencies have had their moments, but by and large, they enable rather than obstruct their talents.

At present Nijisanji EN is an empty shell, scraping by on minimums so that Riku can convince his Nikkei investors that the company is thriving and has a long-term plan for growth. There is no plan, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235200
>n which is what people are fucking furious about.

How else were they supposed to respond to claims of harassment while firing the accuser? No matter what, it was always going to be messy

>If Nijisanji was so certain of the claims, then they would have provided the evidence. Nobody would take them at face value after all the shit they have pulled.

This is just plain retarded. You take Doki at face value but don't take ANYONE in Niji at face value despite them being the only side willing to post proof. They probably couldn't show the evidence they were innocent because of Selen threatening action with her lawsuit, risking legal fuckery

>everybody was angry at AnyColor. It should have been on their corporate account.

Wrong, look no further than (here) and X for people attacking the livers for bullying Selen. Not to mention the accusations involved them. Selen is the one being obviously malicious though as she has motive for being like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235298
>Perms hell
>Mismanagement hell
>Cancelled projects hell
>Whole Zaion arc
>Sudden Selen termination

>OcCaM'S rAzOr Is MaNaGeMeNt DiD nOtHiNg WrOnG

just how stupid can the NDF get

[Anonymous No.]

It's pretty much over for Elira. Unless they release information that completely exonerates her from a managerial role or some role that facilitates communications, the notion she could be part of the incompetent management fucking over the branch will remain in the back of people's minds. The gurrat spread too fast, and there is so little good will left that it's up to Niji to show they're making the effort. We're at a point where it's how hard Elira gets fucked, not whether she does. Nevermind Vox being a retard for suggesting he did something against the law.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235298
>management did nothing wrong
You know the slave wages is the root of all of this right? No seasoned professional will accept minimum wage, so he gets absolute shitters.

Make no doubt, the new minimum wage worker is going to burn the brand to the ground and maybe they're just hiring their scapegoat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235629
>MaNaGeMeNt DiD nOtHiNg WrOnG

ESL, learn reading comprehension. It means they weren't wrong THIS time. Not every time. Use your head

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235605
No, they were her per projects she wanted to do. Every vtuber corpo has their own internal mandated stuff like concerts and what not and sponsorship stuff. If the vtuber wants to do stuff outside those scopes then they pay out of pocket. This isn't new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235175
its fake news you holoshitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235673
How would they explain the stark difference of sponsorship number between her and other member?
I don't think anyone will buy the
>Elira is popular
excuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234811
One artist involved in last cup of coffee said they asked Nijisanji for NDA in august and only received the contract in January, and they still haven't reached the part where they send over their payment information. He explicitly stated that in the end selen payed out of her pocket and he's never seen other corpo be this bad

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>>69232880

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235730
Then you have no fucking idea what the razor is about retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235730
>Numerous documented fuck-ups even in JP
>bUt tHeY arE iN tHe riGhT tHis tiME
You sounds like a mark anon, bet you own NFTs and crypto coins

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235620
>How else were they supposed to respond to claims of harassment while firing the accuser?
What claims of harassment? Doki never said a word until they released the termination document.
>No matter what, it was always going to be messy
Not really. Nijisanji could have just been a decent company. At worst, they could have just let her graduate.
>You take Doki at face value but don't take ANYONE in Niji at face value
I take Doki at face value because she doesn't have a history of doing questionable things and basically all the people who worked with Doki outside of Nijisanji has nothing but good things to say about her. Nijisanji only has people within Nijisanji willing to say good things about them and Nijisanji has a history of extremely shady and shitty behaviour like stealth suspensions, 2% and skin walking.

Occam's Razor suggests, Nijisanji should not be trusted. Doki probably should.

> despite them being the only side willing to post proof
A few things:
1. Nijisanji is the only side to have ever made any claims. The burden of proof is on them not Doki. So yes, they should be posting proof.
2. What fucking proof have they given exactly?
3. This is a fucking legal case. Nobody, NOBODY should be posting jack fucking shit anywhere unless they want to jeopardise their legal standing so it's fucking retarded to except Doki to post proof of things she never even claimed in the first place.

>Wrong, look no further than (here) and X for people attacking the livers for bullying Selen
If 4chan is the your proof, then lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235298
>If Selen was actually right and the management was actually perm fucking her, why wouldn't they join Selen on shitting management again?
1) Because Niji is their gravy train, the drama disrupts their income.
2) Misinformation, in particular Vox seems to have been fed a misleading narrative that casts Selen in the most negative light.
3) The clique. They control the narrative at Niji and anyone who stands up to them is painting a target on their back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235119
what kind of copium do you inhale

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235730
Anon, I don't think you understand how the principle of Occam's Razor works at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235755
That's up to them, I certainly don't have the answer, it's why the gurrat is being given the time of the day. It is the occam's razor theory. Elira was just in a position to manipulate the EN branch how she pleased and every stupid managerial decision can be attributed to self-interest or a desire to coverup herself. The best thing I can see happening for her is she gets permanently suspended or terminated without much clarification. Even then this will hang over her head no matter where she goes. In a more harrowing case where EN and JP were really that desync, they hold her accountable for embezzlement or some other shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235411
I think you're forgetting the part where both Niji and Zaion agreed that she did actually fuck up and there was rightful cause for termination. Shitting on management itself can't get you fired

>needing to get the perms for featuring graduated livers.
Millie said livers can permit or deny use of their characters in projects if they choose to, management can't force them to do merch, sing or show up in videos. This extends to livers who have graduated. It's company policy. It's also would have to go through whoever's in charge of deciding when it's appropriate to use IPs. I don't think people would appreciate someone choosing to skinwalk Mysta and pulling a Kizuna Ai

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235620
>This is just plain retarded. You take Doki at face value but don't take ANYONE in Niji at face value despite them being the only side willing to post proof. They probably couldn't show the evidence they were innocent because of Selen threatening action with her lawsuit, risking legal fuckery
how fucking stupid are you? we watched elira's stream LIVE
that's enough
dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235999
Who give a shit, the fact remains that Zaion was punished for the same transgression that Luxiem did

[Anonymous No.]

The more I think about the artists complaining about payment the more this whole shit stinks. There's def some fuckery going on with Doki and what she's been telling people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235620
>They probably couldn't show the evidence they were innocent because of Selen threatening action with her lawsuit, risking legal fuckery
So...why make any statement at all? It's just shit flinging at that point with no substance. Which only serves to proves the claims of unprofessional maliciousness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236078
I really don't get this logic train.

>Selen commissions artists
>Proper procedure is for her to go to Nijisanji and have them make the payment
>Artists never receive payment because Nijisanji does not pay them
>Selen doxxes herself by using her own personal PayPal to make sure artists get their money

This makes Doki look bad because?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234888
Because you're doing the business with the company and not the individual that's behind selen. It's like if you're purchasing office supply for yourself like, say, a printer, you still need to use the company account because of tax and purpose and not just buy them yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235999
>This extends to livers who have graduated.
says who

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234913
Elira, Vox and Ike are getting crucified because they decided to make it personal and took the argument public. It was a risky strategy NijiEN got away with once. The community at large didn't buy their arguments this time, so now they have blow-back - which they should have expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235999
The terminations themselves are not the fucking problem you imbecile. Its all the other shady shit around them. I'd be willing to believe Zaion and Selen were both terminated on legal grounds whether or not they were for morally good reasons. But all this public airing of bullshit by the company themselves and that fucking stream at the same time as Doki's first game stream back is fucking appalling behavior from an individual let alone an entire company.
It is undeniable at this point that niji en has serious fucking managerial problems and if you like any of the remaining livers there you should be aware that niji is fucking them over almost intentionally by their actions

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235999
>You can't use company IP because of perms
Anyone who believe this should get their voting rights revoked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
honestly their best defense right now is to shut the fuck up. everytime they make a statement it ends up fueling the fire and burning their own ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
Kind of ironic, getting a taste of shadow suspensions I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236204
The fact they timed it when they did pretty much sucked any good will out of the audience immediately. It was an extremely petty thing to do, especially considering they caused all this backlash with their public statements to begin with, not Doki.

[Anonymous No.]

Devils advocate: how did Ame pay for her smol myth assets? She did state she paid for them but was it through company escrow or directly from her bank account?

If we're gonna start talking about pet projects that was one of the biggest in the EN vtuber sphere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236170
Think it was covered in the blackscreen video

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235738
lol FR, as in, are you FR?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236298
kek you're right, none of the clique members ever get stealth suspended

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236313
It was a fucking sight to behold as the chat slowly turned from hearts to Ls. I really think that people thought the video was going to be an apology or at least an urge for calm between the two parties. Instead they got an emotion driven hit piece.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236320
I´d think she did through Cover, otherwise her personal info would be plastered all over those invoices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236250
Implying they're old enough to have voting rights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235735
True if they work for NijiEN. Doesn't hold for HoloEN or Vshojo, though.

Not everyone works for a black company for slave wages.

Do you perhaps run one of these operations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236320
Who knows but I know one of the artist involves with Moona's MV and the invoice they got was from Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235878
>What claims of harassment? Doki never said a word until they released the termination document
The claims of harassment she threatened to make if Niji didn't meet her demands. She claimed harassment privately then later did publicly. You not knowing about it doesn't mean it wasn't real.

>Nijisanji could have just been a decent company. At worst, they could have just let her graduate.
You're retarded. They were willing to let bygones be bygones if Selen allowed them to make a statement detailing why the video had to be privated, she refused and started making demands

>I take Doki at face value
All that needs to be said. A claim without evidence isn't suddenly true because of who's saying it. Niji livers also have a good reputation and all of them were backing up the company despite them not having a history of sucking up to management except Millie

If you think the most plausible explanation for a company full of people who are willing to publicly shit on their managers for mismanagement for some reason did a complete 180 in this situation and are defending the company even though the manager apparently were clearly in the wrong, you're a fucking retard. The easiest explanation is that they have nothing to shit on the manager for because he only was correctly doing his job. An entire company of people familiar with the policy saying she's wrong while being willing to post evidence vs a single person constantly saying she'll make evidence public, never doing so and admitting to trying to muzzle the company and you say the most plausible explanation is that the one person is actually correct. Funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236340
Even if all the perms rules for this is true, how in the fuck were they not aware of this when the thing was being animated for months. One manager cant just check in during the drawing board phase and give an ok before thousands of dollars are spent making it?
If this happened to a manager in any other kind of commercial company they would be crucified for being completely unaware of what their underlings are even doing.
Even if Selen had somehow been hiding this from them for months and dropped it on them last second, they still could have just left the video alone and then terminated her a couple weeks later or let her graduate as she intended.
Theyd have a much firmer ground to be fighting any kind of "bullying" accusations that could have come out later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236484
bad fanfic sister
2/10.
Don't quit your day job

[Anonymous No.]

I found this rentry. It really changed how I see Doki. You should read it.

https://rentry.org/nijidoki
https://rentry.org/nijidoki2

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235735
Selen was the one starting the Nijisanji Express project. When Rosemi and Pomu joined her, they set the tone for NijiEN art style for VRChat. All the other livers who did vr later adopted the same style.
Later she also created OBSYDIA crossing for their anniversary.

IMHO, that kind of stuff should be paid by corpo because it benefit the entire branch (please the fanbase + help other liver with content).
All of it was surely paid from liver pocket without any NijiEN real support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236606
I also found this, it really changed me. You should read it
https://www.bible.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236484
>The claims of harassment she threatened to make if Niji didn't meet her demands.
What exactly were her demands? Let her graduate? Hmm. Why not just do that then and no problem? :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031

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>>69232880
Stealth suspended by riku until the heat on them blows over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236484
Okay. Why's using blackmail to make demands out of company is bad thing now? She is winning in life right now, ,being messianic figure who fucked over a corpo and humiliated their CEO by making him bow publicly. She's my hero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236250
Company IP which is tied inherently to the person playing them and the IP represents this person almost entirely. You are retarded if you think the management could just decide to force the livers to be in videos or art they don't want to be in. It's common sense which you retards lack

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236484
>The claims of harassment she threatened to make if Niji didn't meet her demands. She claimed harassment privately then later did publicly. You not knowing about it doesn't mean it wasn't real.
So...this meant that Nijisanji was legally bound to release 3 pages of her transgressions with management instead?

> They were willing to let bygones be bygones if Selen allowed them to make a statement detailing why the video had to be privated
Wrong. They wanted HER to make the statement, not them. Even though they had control over her twitter account and skinwalked her. They could have specified the reasons it was privated at any time they so pleased.
> A claim without evidence isn't suddenly true because of who's saying it.
Not believing something simply because you do not have direct evidence and proof in front of your face just makes you retarded.
Do you think the Earth is flat? No? Okay, what proof do you have to suggest the Earth is round except the word of others who you trust not to lie to you?
> Niji livers also have a good reputation
Proof?
>all of them were backing up the company despite them not having a history of sucking up to management except Millie
Vox in the video said that all of them have had tweets deleted by management. So no, you're wrong on that account.
> a company full of people who are willing to publicly shit on their managers for mismanagement
Proof? You mean the covid tweets about the AR live that Vox admitted management wanted to take down but they feared backlash? You mean the people who are currently in fear of their jobs being axed would side with the company?
>The easiest explanation is that they have nothing to shit on the manager for because he only was correctly doing his job
That doesn't account for the evidence we have.
Please address these points:
1. Doki, Kuro, Matara, Sayu and Yugo all having nothing positive to say about management. If management was fine, why are they so displeased with it?
2. Artists and other associated third parties having nothing good to say about management.
>An entire company of people familiar with the policy saying she's wrong
Okay. I don't deny that Doki was probably in the worng in terms of permission policy but I don't really care about that. I care about the unprofessionalism and maliciousness showed by Nijisanji.
> a single person constantly saying she'll make evidence public,
Proof she ever said this, now.
>admitting to trying to muzzle the company
Proof she ever said this, now.

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>>69234741
>NijiEN doesn't make the payments, Selen is responsible for the payments because it's her projects. If it's late then she was late not NijiEN.
Why are the sisters so fucking retarded? Genuine question. It's like they haven't worked in a real job for their entire lives. There's no way, right.

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>>69236340
no it wasn't

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>>69236706
They were willing to let her do whatever she wants as long as they were allowed to make a statement describing why the video was privated and she wouldn't let them. They weren't keeping her hostage considering they clearly were willing to let her go

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>>69236484
>Conveniently ignores a whole years worth (and more) of appalling pr and managerial decisions by the company
>THe ComPAnY dId nOtHInG WrONg ThiS tiME
This company you love is completely fucking over their talent and you are licking their asshole. Not even talking about Selen, every decision they've made in the past year has dumpstered their reputation and now the floodgates are open and people are mass unsubbing from YOUR oshi.

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>>69235999
>I think you're forgetting the part where both Niji and Zaion agreed that she did actually fuck up and there was rightful cause for termination.
I think you are forgetting the part about management playing favorites with Luxiem and ignoring their monumental fuck ups. Wat about Luca breaking his NDA?

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>>69236856
You think Anycolor submitted perm request to itself for Mayuyu koshien apperance?
Boy you're even more retarded even by nijisister standard

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>>69236997
>they were allowed to make a statement describing why the video was privated and she wouldn't let them
how the FUCK can she stop them from making a statement you crazy fucking RETARD?

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>>69236156
Also make more sense to proceed like that for accounting

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>>69236606
>As long as Selen provides no evidence of this bullying and harassment, every liver under NIJISANJI EN will continue to suffer immense levels of harassment that has prevented every liver from carrying out their jobs, to different extents
Stopped reading there. Not even halfway through the first page.

Doki would never have gone public with her claims of harassment if Nijisanji never published the document. Even in her claim, she never specified it was other talents that was Nijisanji exclusive statement. Doki only said that harassment was from within the company. The fact the document goes on a tirade about being factually correct and without bias and then immediately shows bias that Doki is somehow liable for the claims that Nijisanji accused first is completely intellectually dishonest.

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>>69236997
>she wouldn't let them
What authority do you think Selen has to even do this? Managers could have skinwalked her twitter or put out their own statement at any time.
There is no evidence that Doki was using the document as blackmail. If you are experiencing bullying in a professional environment it is your right to make a legal document to challenge that.
This only makes any sense if you think she is making all the allegations up, which is pretty fucking hard to think at this point.

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>>69236902
Perhaps some of them work at black companies (Stockholm Syndrome) or (worse yet) run them.

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>>69236856
Do you think Pixar has to ask Tim Allen permission when they make a Buzz Lightyear toy?

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>>69236606
kek

again the attempted character assassination again
>you cant trust her, she's BPD, please ignore everything nijisanji did

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Now I ain't the brightest bulb in the shed but I would figure after that dumpster fire of a stream the best thing they can do is say nothing. Let it die down and come back and pretend nothing happened. Sure some people will still try to stir shit with them but as long as they just stay their course of being entertainers or Rape blowjob asmrs or whatever the fuck they do, things should go relatively back to normal.

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>>69236997
>They were willing to let her do whatever she wants
Proof?
> as long as they were allowed to make a statement describing why the video was privated and she wouldn't let them
Why the fuck they would need Selen's permission to explain why the video was privated?
>They weren't keeping her hostage considering they clearly were willing to let her go
Proof?

There's literally a queue of graduations, Mika had to wait for almost a whole fucking year for her turn.

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>>69236856
Even the most charitable interpretation of this excuse is that Anycolor is simply too inefficient and held back by bureaucratic red tape.
Either way it sounds like bullshit

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>>69237185
If its voiced by him maybe, but Disneys lawyers arent that retarded and all that kind of thing would have been worked out and agreed to when the first movie was made.
Niji fucks cant even get a basic NDA right as shown multiple times.

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>>69237234
>things should go relatively back to normal.
Ike can save his ass if he keeps his mouth shut and stays out of more drama. Elira is pretty much done and Vox is a persona non grata outside his army of crazy chinese girls.

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>>69236162
The company get the ad revenue for the channel and reverse a % to the liver. I don't see why they should not be responsible for the contracts and payment for the liver project.

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>>69236606
No it didn't you liar, you already hated her because your chink masters told you to.

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>>69237317
>voiced
Did you even watch the MV retardo?

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>>69232880
NEWT PET RRAT
https://youtu.be/8zAa06gqtr4?si=5QZun7TQw7ezOyo1

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>>69236856
>You are retarded if you think the management could just decide to force the livers to be in videos or art they don't want to be in
Yes they absolutely could. It's their IP. They could commission an animated film with Elira as an SS officer executing Jews, niggers and gays for 3 hours if they really wanted to and there is literally jack shit Elira could do about it.

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>>69237405
A Buzz Lightyear Toy is not the same as a vtuber dimwit

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>>69232880
>Where's the counter-attack?
They are leaving it to their fans / NDF, see the kind of posts linked in >>69234360 for example

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>Doki
>Does absolutely nothing
>Niji
>"She claimed in private and through her lawyers that she wanted to part ways because she was getting bullied and harassed by management and some of the livers"
>Sisters
>DOKI IS A LYING WHORE WHO IS TRYING TO USE HER SUICIDE ATTEMPTS TO GET SOME PITY POINTS AND RUIN THE BRANCH
Do sisters really

[Anonymous No.]

>>69237469
IP is still IP

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>>69237349
> I don't see why they should not be responsible for the contracts and payment for the liver project.

Because that's literally why management exists dumbass. Management exists to allow vtubers to spend more time being vtubers rather than fucking around with paperwork.

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>>69237322
If Michael Cat managed to keep part of her fanbase after what she did, even someone like Elira will be fine. There are enough retards out there for the snakes to thrive.

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>>69233031
>Not even Hololive or Vshojo do that
Hololive DOES allocate some funding for talents' personal projects - and by that, I meant unofficial projects (none of those concerts or birthday / anniversary stuffs). They only have to pay when their expenses exceed those fundings.

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>>69237598
Michael Cat is possibly one of the most parasocial and charming people on earth. Elira is Elira. She's nice to look at but has the personality of a wet towel.

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>>69237598
Different kind of chuubas, really. Miguel was always an insane menhera and people were really not THAT surprised when shit went down. Elira tried to act always like a kind and supporting person and stayed away from the GFE fans.

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>>69233031
>Not even Hololive or Vshojo do that, so where did they get that idea?
Hololive literally does that tho. You can find dozens of clips of holomem talking about it.

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>>69236888
>Nijisanji was legally bound to release 3 pages

They didn't have to, they wanted to try and protect their reputation from heavy slander they know was about to said. They didn't even list transgressions like Zaion. They gave a singular reason for evidence and explained what was happening with Selen in the last month

>Wrong. They wanted HER to make the statement, not them

Objectively wrong. Their statement is that they wanted either her or themselves to make the statement. There is no proof that they're skin walked by anyone , even Ren says that's fucking stupid. Holy schizo

>Not believing something simply because you do not have direct evidence and proof in front of your face just makes you retarded.

You must be the most gullible faggot in town. If someone makes a claim of something that and it isn't common fact, you ask for evidence and proof it happened. Imagine the police following your retarded train of thought

>Needs proof that Niji talents have a good reputation
You're a fucking retard. Look at the amount of people outside of Niji collaborating with them, being friendly with them, saying good things about them and respecting them. Did they get all this be being a bunch of violent bullies? Do you need me to actually cite 39Daph as evidence?

>You mean the people who are currently in fear of their jobs being axed would side with the company?
Explain why now they're suddenly afraid of management and not before, for the last three years

>That doesn't account for the evidence we have.
Please address these points:

All of those points don't prove that this manager was mismanaging in this situation. Stop using people not liking management as all management being wrong

> I don't deny that Doki was probably in the worng in terms of permission policy
Then stop arguing that she actually had any case against management and that her threatening a suit was warranted

>Proof she ever said this, now.
End of neopet stream where she claims that the livers weren't supposed to see her lawsuit document then proceeding to say and I quote "Let's see if it's time to go public"

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>>69237225
I'm glad these people are so fucking stupid

More competent people might have muddied the waters, this is just more free advertising

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>>69237793
>Explain why now they're suddenly afraid of management and not before, for the last three years
Their jobs were in just as much jeopardy as right now since they started.
You don't publicly shit talk your employers if you want to keep your job. This is common fucking sense that applies in any job from v-tubing to cleaning toilets.

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>>69234346
Is that not exactly what the artists were saying, in response to the claim that Selen herself was the one not paying them properly?

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>>69237793
>They didn't have to, they wanted to try and protect their reputation from heavy slander they know was about to said
Or instead they could have waited, let Doki look like a childish retard and then debunked every single one of her accusations one by one. But they were determined to hit the retard button first.
> They didn't even list transgressions like Zaion
Okay at this point you are no longer arguing in good faith and I'm not reading the rest of your post and I'm not responding to you anymore because you're actually attempting to gaslight the conversation now. They absolutely did list a bunch of transgressions going back to at least May 2023 according to their own document.

Have a nice day. Kill yourself.

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>>69237185
Is Buzz Lightyear essentially just Tim Allen masking his identity with a funny astronaut? Are you making the argument that Vtubers are just actors given scripts by corporations and their personality/real world experience doesn't bleed into their streams? You're retarded

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>>69237793
> They didn't even list transgressions like Zaion
They literally did that.

Sisters, is this really your best warrior?

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>>69233031
While we can't get direct confirmation on how the payment works, if we go by small bits and pieces that holo talents spoke of (like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwYsDj3SASw ), it's something like this (at least for hololive, vshojo probably does things differently)

>vtuber orders things for project
>company pays for project initially with their own (much larger) funds
>later the bill comes through deductions on the vtuber's payroll
>this keeps the vtuber identity secure and lets them use more money than what they had in hands for projects/merch drops
So taking that into account and assuming niji had a similar system, if Selen/Doki had to pay out of her own pocket, it's possible she paid for these projects twice, first through niji's payroll deduction then again when she pays out of pocket

>but there's no proof nijisanji was involved in those transactions
Yes there is, the failed NDAs. If niji wasn't involved directly, why would the legal stuff come from them and not also from Selen/Doki?

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>>69237793
>they know was about to said
monkey

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>>69237888
>Is that not exactly what the artists were saying, in response to the claim that Selen herself was the one not paying them properly?

No ESLchama. That's not what is being said. The mention of PayPal accounts is the crucial piece of information. They are saying that instead of Nijisanji paying them (which would have been taken out of Selen's pay at her request) that Selen went and used her PERSONAL PayPal since Nijisanji was refusing to pay them on her behalf. That is an incredibly risky thing to do because PayPal reveals your legal name. That's why it is so significant that Selen would put privacy at risk just to cover the ass of Nijisanji and make sure that artists get their money.

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>>69237993
Imagine paying your rent twice in the same month and then not being reimbursed. All the projects she’s done you can now easily see where 200k was being spent..

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>NOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND NIJINSAJI NEEDED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM SLANDER
Miguel El Gato is probably the most dangerously menhera chuuba in the entire world and Cover managed to terminate her and part ways without having to run a smearing campaign against her. Nijisanji could (and should) had dealt with Selen in private, and they chose to Zaion'd her because they thought they could get away with it.

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>>69237961
Is there some sort of special IP law you're looking at that makes your argument make sense?
Because it literally does not fucking matter. Does the company which owns Mr. Bean need to ask Rowan Atkinson for permission to use Mr. Bean in anything despite the fact that Rowan Atkinson and Mr. Bean are nearly inseparable in the public conscious and HE actually made the character?

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>>69237225
>>you cant trust her, she's BPD
do nijitards this makes them look better?

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>>69238070
Doki is literally just a benevolent and charitable girl who has heated gamer moments. It's PR suicide attacking her at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238070
>the exact statements the artists made are not what they said, and you’re ESL for suggesting words mean what they say
Just when I thought discourse couldn’t get any dumber.

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>>69238152
Niji could, but the clique is technically independent contractor.

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>>69238207
>>the exact statements the artists made are not what they said
No you're just stupid and can't read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238228
If I'm not mistaken, that argument doesn't fly in Canadian jurisdiction? Or was it only BC? The clique is mostly in Canada.

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>>69233031
Sister, Froot from Vshojo literally said that company provides monthly sum for their projects.
So stop projecting if Niji is shit with providing support for their liver projects doesnt mean other companies are same.

[Anonymous No.]

day 11

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>>69237924
>Or instead they could have waited, let Doki look like a childish retard and then debunked every single one of her accusations
Their reputation would have already been murdered, it's proven that people don't care for evidence and they were being muzzled by Selen threatening legal shit

>They absolutely did list a bunch of transgressions going back to at least May 2023 according to their own document

Please show me the bullet point list listing every violation in specific like Zaion's notice. They said she broke the rules, listed the rules broken and never specified how or when. They gave evidence of the infraction she was being terminated for in specific and left it like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238415
Didn't read

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>>69237559
>I don't see why they should not be responsible
double negation - mean : THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE
Learn to read before calling other people dumbass. cretin

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238449
baused

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>>69238415
>Their reputation would have already been murdered
And now it was saved lmao? are you fucking stupid? it was nowhere as bad before elira's stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238251
>you can’t read even though those were the exact words
Try again, at least pretend you can come up with something better than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238470
Double negatives aren't grammatically correct you fucking lobotomised retard

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>>69238181
It's company policy. Look at the termination notice, read it and listen to what Millie says about livers being able to choose what projects they're a part of.

Nijisanji does not hold them by the balls to join projects and be involved in things with no consent

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to people that despite being absent from the recent drama, Finana and Kyo are also involved in internal bullying.
Reminder that Finana backstabbed Zaion and Kyo made fun of Zaion after she was terminated.
The same MO as what Elira/Ike and Vox tried to do.
NEVER LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS
SIEG ZAION

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>>69238415
I am still struggling to understand why you think releasing knowledge that she was going to make harassment claims public constitutes ANY sort of protection, considering how they stopped there.
See, let's just look at the two possibilities.

1. The claims are baseless.
Alright. Then the question comes up: Does Nijisanji EN fear those claims or not?
If they do not fear those claims, there is zero reason to make those claims public in the termination notice. Let them come, if she dares.
If they fear those baseless claims, then their behavior also makes zero sense. After termination, you should not make the fact that she has those claims public. If you stay quiet, she might lose her nerve and stay quiet. It might be a 1% chance, but it's there. If you talk about her claims, then she 100% has to acknowledge them, which fucks your reputation! It's a pure unforced error.

But okay, you've made the mistake, whatever. So you got to get out ahead of the baseless claims, right? You're fighting in the court of public opinion, right?

Then you should release a tell-all. After all, the ENTIRE basis of your decision hinged on the fact that you were ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED she was going to release those claims, so it doesn't hurt you to release them all first.
You should lay out each of her claims made one by one, show her stated reasons and evidence for making them, and show how they are utterly false. It should be easy. You have much more information about the whole situation. Surely you prepared a defense before you took the initiative. You still have complete discord logs, she's cut off from them. You can fucking shape the narrative by going over each one in detail before she can give her side of the story. That's literally the whole point of going first!

But no, they didn't do this. They ALSO hid the specific claims. Instead they attempted a character assassination by talking about her recording them, and how hurt they are, how they are doxxed in a fucking legal document, they focused on her MV release as if anyone cares about justifying the termination, etc. Anything except the claims. That is really fucking suspicious.

2. The claims are rooted in fact.
In this case, you are utterly convinced she's going to release them because you can't conceptualize how anyone could let such a sure-win opportunity pass by. So you want to get out ahead, but you also can't reveal her actual claims because they are so goddamned damaging that you can't spin anything to disprove them. You're just fucked. So your entire strategy is just to discredit her. You tiptoe around your supposed reason for preemptive disclosure and hope people don't notice.
Then everything makes very simple sense. You had no choice but to behave in this way. Telling everyone she was threatening to release claims of harassment without actually releasing those claims of harassment yourself is the furthest you can go without fucking yourself over. The pieces all fall into place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238664
>It's company policy
So autistic rules that Nijisanji made up and they can break whenever they want to because who is going to punish them? Themselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238521
All of the normies were coming out of the wood work to build the narrative of

>girl driven to suicide by shitty job
Vs
>Riku Tazumi, evil heartless billionaire, saying she was a negligible loss to the company

Even before the black box video. Their reputation was already before black box objectively

[Anonymous No.]

Pack watch

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>>69238415
>Their reputation would have already been murdered, it's proven that people don't care for evidence and they were being muzzled by Selen threatening legal shit
If Doki's claims were false, then Merry fucking Christmas to Nijisanji because they just got the world's easiest slam dunk case of defamation ever put on their desk with fat stacks of cash just over the horizon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238816
Not really, can't take money that isn't there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238715
Remember that Yugo had to lawyer the fuck up just to get out of this fucking company. Nijisanji was just too slow in her case and didn't have the chance to terminate her.

[Anonymous No.]

>Give Selen her peaceful graduation
>People are upset for a few days, but get over it
>No drama
I don't why sisters refuse to admit Nijisanji went about this in a way that would give any PR agent a heart attack. Even fucking Riro Ron was given a more graceful sendoff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238844
>what is garnished wages

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>>69238868

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[Anonymous No.]

>>69238877
>garnishing wages of a livestreamer who depends on popular support after you completely torpedo her reputation and prove she's a liar
It's not as much as you think

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880

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>>69238763
because termination notice was as unhinged as the blackbox video

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239060
>It's not as much as you think
How do you think garnishing wages works anon?

It doesn't matter how little or how much Doki earns, she's paying it until it's either paid in full or she fucking dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238620
dOublE neGaTIvEs ArEn't GramMATICallY CorReCT

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>>69238730
>I don't want to be accused of rape
>Why? Is it because you're a rapist?

That's the jist of the argument. They know she will make the claims because she threatened to do so while threatening a lawsuit. They refute the claims of the lawsuit in advance since she claims she'll spill the beans to the public. They didn't account for people to be emotional retards and not blindly believe someone because they attempted suicide. You're also forgetting she's trying to muzzle you with law so you have to worry about getting legally fucked for publicly showing conversations

>Anything except the claims
Says the faggot who didn't watch the video. The majority of Vox's , Elira's and Ike's statements were explaining how no one harassed her and what it was she took as harassment.

>2. The claims are rooted in fact.
This entire one is just fan fiction. Fact has evidence and there's no evidence of harassment or bullying. Just management being bad at their job which doesn't warrant the company being responsible for suicide

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238251
The creators literally did say Selen paid them out of pocket when Nijisanji failed to pay them. They did not say the opposite (that Selen stiffed them) as you proposed.

This suggests Selen herself paid aforementioned creators, out of her own pocket. It would also indicate that aforementioned creators did not get paid by Nijisanji when payment by Nijisanji was expected.

Those expectations are likely due to aforementioned creators being paid directly by talent / content agencies under normal circumstances.

But if your baseline is that black company practice (not paying creators) is normal, then I can understand the confusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239152
And do you think that will amount to what niji has suffered from this PR crisis? Think about what the average person makes in their lifetime anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236713
Based Doc poster it feels like you've been busy lately.

[Anonymous No.]

https://rentry.org/nijidoki
https://rentry.org/nijidoki2

Anyone see this yet? Seems pretty convincing..

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
This is a very well written article with reliable sources about the situation happening recently. If you have the time and want to know more about the issue in a more neutral stance which is greatly appreciated, please consider reading this.

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>>69239246
NDF pls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239215
Defamation cases are just as much about sending a message to everyone that you will ruin their life if they talk shit than just about the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
>>69239300
>the same 4-5 buzzwords, every single time
>exactly 1 cooldown apart

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
There is no fucking way this isn't a bot.
If you're gonna pretend to be a human with a functioning brain, at least PRETEND a little so as to not insult our intelligence, like holy fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
A voxsister wrote this

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>>69235298
See the Gurrat for answers to that, It's cause management was elira and her clique and they fucked her over for not conforming and making them look bad by being more successful

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>>69239365
Honestly, I think they would stand more to benefit by just proving her wrong, demanding public apology, and then not enforcing any type of financial penalty. The issue is their PR is completely in the shitter at this point. The only message they need to be sending is anything to communicate we're trying to do better we swear.
That said, thanks for acknowledging they're going to get next to no monetary reward for dragging her through the mud in the wild case a jury completely sided with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
>>69239300
You actual insects don't get it do you? We can easily check the archives to see how many times you repost this drivel. If this is a falseflagger then please continue doing god's work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
Holy shit they are actually copy and pasting the same messages that’s fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235620
>Only side willing to post proof
>Nijisanji in any way credible after multiple branches being terminated, The Zaion drama, The Yugo drama, The 2% drama, Mysta and nina and mika and pomu's graduations, Mysta and Nina constantly alluding to how horrible management was to them while under niji and how much better it is in vshojo, Why the FUCK would anyone but the most inbred of NDF sisters be taking them at face value EVER?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
>>69234360
>>69239390
>>69239499
>>69237600

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>>69239192
You clearly don't understand the legal process. If this was the outset of an actual lawsuit, then that's a discovery document meant only for lawyers to see. But that aside, it sounds like Doki was making demands that she be allowed to graduate, expecting that Nijisanji would fold and let her. This doesn't mean she or her lawyer was actually planning to release anything, it sounds more like a tactic to force Nijisanji to the negotiation table. And if you thought she was going to start publicly leaking things, you should have had Nijisanji's legal team respond to her lawyer directly threatening a counter-suit if she leaks anything. There is NO scenario where the black box stream was a smart idea.

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>>69239246
Wow, this opened my eyes. If only we could get a Niji liver to read this on stream, then everyone will be convinced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239591
This. Millie and Enna should start up a stream ASAP where they read through the document in full. It's the only way to save Niji's reputation, but they'll have to be quick!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239591
Yeah that’s a great Idea have say 3 of them on a livestream reading this out to the public surely it will sway their hearts and minds.

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>>69239694
I think they should read the BPD part at least thrice, just to drill it home that they're definitely not attempting to downplays Nijisanji's role in her suicide because she's just BPD and trying to kill yourself is just a normally weekly event for those freaks.

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>>69236484
>The claims of harassment she threatened to make if Niji didn't meet her demands. She claimed harassment privately then later did publicly. You not knowing about it doesn't mean it wasn't real.
OhGod you're retard., if that's the case, they should wait for Slen to make the first statement but they DID NOT

It doesn't change the fact that she never said a word until they released the termination document

Also firing is not the problem, it's the 3pages full of crap just to assassinate her future career

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239386
Yeah this is pretty sad lmao, it's gaining traction on Twitter under the #PositiveSpamForNIJIEN bullshit

>b-but I played Dr. Google and she has BPD you can't trust her

Also I'm sure NijiEN is going to be fucking THRILLED about having to untangle themselves from that rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>69238868
Maybe she should have followed the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239192
But she didn't end up releasing the specific claims. Which makes them look like complete idiots who jumped the gun.

Besides which, what else did you think was supposed to happen?
>Guys, I have been harassed for months. But also I solemnly swear to never tell anyone. But please take legal responsibility for my situation and then afterwards I'll graduate.
Are you fucking serious? Do you think the response would have been anything other than "Lol so if you can't do shit to us why should we care, there was no harassment, fuck you" regardless of what the truth was?

The idea of this one-sided 'muzzling with law' is ridiculous. So she's not muzzled, but they are?

>what it was she took as harassment
WHAT DEFENSE? All that they put out was a blanket vague statement of their interpretation of events. Without seeing the exact words there is zero way to determine whether it constitutes harassment or not. No harasser ever sees themselves as the villain. What they see as 'fair and reasonable' can be very, very far from it. They can provide cut-together discord logs for the MV but mysteriously when it comes to the harassment they have no logs to share where Selen starts behaving like a menhera from totally normal conversations?

>there's no evidence
Funny how they decided not to release any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236484
Your bullet points are so breathlessly retarded i genuinely can't believe you genuinely believe them
>Nijisanji claims that selen claims that she will shit on them in public if they don't "Meet her demands" (She wants to be let go of her contract and have a neutral departure like yugo)
>If selen lies about why the MV was privated and sucks niji's cock a bit we won't give her the Zaion treatment is it THAT much to ask of a girl who just tried to kill herself twice???
>I take nijisanji's claims at face value because they've totally been shown to be a trustworthy and transparent organization in the past without any drama or snakefuckery going on, and i don't trust selen cause everybody hates her and nobody has EVER come out to vouch for her character and how trustworthy/honest she is at any point... totally...

You fuckers need to stop embarrassing yourselves, Go back to bot posting your retarded doc on Xitter

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the doxxsite sisters thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
okay cmon, at least change your message each time you lazy retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239935
True, no one is bothering to read the document so everyone is just shitting on it because they hate Nijisanji livers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246
This makes me happy, because it shows the clique is committing to dragging this out further, which means more rrats and lols for us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239935
Apparently that’s literally every thread discussing these events, according to them.

[Anonymous No.]

Are sisters really trying to defend Nijisan literally not paying the professionals that hire? I have never seen a legit way to defend them not paying people cause you can't spin it as being Selens fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69237793
>Cite 39daph of evidence of good reputation
TL:DR you are retarded, Rehashing the same retarded longposts won't make you any less retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239935
>sensible
>fencesitters
>non trolls

Is there even anybody like that anymore? Everybody has picked their side by now and the sisterdoc is one of the most obvious 'hey guys let's just think about the facts for a bit...So here's all the things which I think support me'

It doesn't help their case at all. It just proves that Niji and their fans cannot fucking help themselves but make things worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240069
Don't you have some trees to climb, jungle monkey?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240069
Mwah anonie <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239935
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED THE HECKIN' UPDOOOOOOTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240069
That's so true. Niji talent needs to read it on stream so these dumb 4channers can't ignore it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
https://www.twitch.tv/apricot/clip/RelievedTallVelociraptorBabyRage-_9Gs-gMY2PaQvDat
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240069
You should definitely spam it more. Make the BPD section much bigger to make sure it's known that you guys aren't trying to downplay Nijisanji's role in her attempted suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239560
>Why the FUCK would anyone but the most inbred of NDF sisters be taking them at face value EVER?

Well you don't need to take them at face value. They have fucking evidence and are being backed by the whole branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240164
>They are literally proving Ancolor's point that Selen casued them insane rep damage
They're not this stupid are they? This has to be a troll post

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240140
Yeah, A pipe welder in the middle of alaska. But his ass aint reading this gay shit.Before this shit blew up out side of vtuber sphere, they might have called moist or anything oother regular tubers fence sitters. Everyone one picked a side already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240164
These idiots riding on the idea of the defamation lawsuit actually being won (it won't, because Niji can't even prove intent to defame when they practically forced her to make a statement by publishing the notice, but let's pretend) don't actually know that while it's 'easy' to win defamation lawsuits in Japan, they are also notorious for paying out ridiculously low amounts.
Like I'm not kidding, this shit will get paid off in a week of streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240301
I have collection of such sreens. Anon they are way more stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240301
Anon, sisters are a bunch of chinks and SEAniggers, and worse than that, they're all women.
They are that retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239192
>No evidence of harassment and bullying
>Lines up 3 stooges video to hit doki where it hurts during her first gaming stream, Neopets, The one she has wanted to do for so long but constantly denied cause of perms fuckery
>No proof of bullying or harassment..

Kill yourself ESL Nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240301
Anon it's bug people. In one other thread I had one of them screaming at everyone in very very broken English calling everyone ESL and everyone was laughing at them, but they would go out of their way to reply to every post(Like 30 separate people laughing) calling them a ESL and screaming "NO ENGLISH MINE BE GOODS YOU ALLS ESLS!" This should tell you how dumb they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240407
Do they not get that it was Nijisanji that brought the claims to public first and therefore it is on them to provide evidence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239192
So it seems Niji EN DID fear Doki's claims.

And Nijisanji (Specifically, Riku, the EN queen bee and her two colleagues) failed to account for how their official corporate narrative might be received by the larger community.

You might buy into the "It was just teasing on our part, te-hee!~" excuse but it doesn't work in employment law, particularly in Canada.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239935
>Sister can't live without her reddit functions (upvotes/downvotes) otherwise she immediately feels emotionally unstable and mentions suicide

I want to make a joke about bpd and mental disorder here, but I won't step down to the level of these bitches. Not this time at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239860
>But she didn't end up releasing the specific claims. Which makes them look like complete idiots who jumped the gun.
kek. because they are indeed idiots who keep spouting words while the other party is forced to reply

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240395
Please upload them all somewhere, especially the ones giving proof that the doxxsisters made the dokidocument, like this one. It's going to backfire on them so badly with normies

[Anonymous No.]

Selen at her strongest couldn't do as much demage to Nijisanji as Nijisisters are doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240198
This is how every company works. Any person allowed any kind of agency to engage in any kind of substantive business engagement on behalf of the company is either given a drawdown allowance from their office budget so that they are able to proactively engage in smaller transactions that don't necessitate an entire proposal to the purser, or otherwise just get a company credit card and are told to expense what makes sense and not be an idiot.

A project as big as a 15,000$ music video would necessitate a proposal that runs through all the formal internal channels. Which means what happened here is that Selen got approval to move forward with the project, began commissioning work and then got rugpulled by management, who deliberately withheld approved payment in order to sink her project. Rather than let them bully her, she covered expenses out of pocket.

It's telling that this video had been in the works for over a year and she hadn't been reimbursed a single cent. Management never intended to pay any of it, and finding an excuse to cut her loose before 200k in arears came due was likely a major factor in their concerted effort to push her out the door and smear her. 200k is the down payment on a fucking house. Guess who bought a house recently.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any comprehensive list on what was the reactions/actions/statements of each nijiEN liver since the final yab begun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240514
>stealth suspensions can sound scary, but if you think about it more clearlt it's the only way to punish a high profile employee without hurting their public image

By
>their public image
They mean the image of the company, right lmao?

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>>69240293
>Evidence
>Backed by the whole branch
You fuckers really huffed your own copium to the point of overdose huh, I'd probably have retweeted that shit too if i wanted to keep my only source of income.. also.. evidence doko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240495
Don't call other people sister when you're the biggest pussy here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69237793
>Heavy slander they know was about to be said
Proof? Dokibird publicly stated she wanted to move on. What heavy slander? The worst slander against Nijisanji was posted by... Nijisanji.

You JDF faggots really need to work on your bullshitting skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240514
https://imgur.com/a/AlwPxMD

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240601
Glowing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240293
What evidence?

The only real piece of evidence we have was a heavily edited screenshot of Selen's manager ghosting her for over a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240164
God, found the page with these comments. Christ, what is that website's formatting. Why are these fuckers using this? This is horrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240641
I'd rather be a glowie than a woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
Considering Scarle suddenly having her shadow suspension lifted and Riku’s apology video i’m guessing they are currently getting torn to shreds by upper JP management.

I don’t see this ending any other way than with unceremonious terminations and blacklistings for them at best, in the worst case scenario they may be looking at actual jailtime. There is approximately zero chance they still have any independent control of their media channels to even make any statements by now.

Riku may be a trust fund kid but he’s also a sociopathic jap CEO, they have severly hurt the brand image, damaged his stocks and humiliated him publicly with their little stunt, if he shows them any mercy he will be considered very weak and lose face infront of his investors and peers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239860
>But she didn't end up releasing the specific claims
You don't know how to fucking read, that's exactly what she did immediately after finding out she was fired.

>Do you think the response would have been anything other than "Lol so if you can't do shit to us why should we care, there was no harassment, fuck you"

Yeah because they're a media corporation that relies on their reputation for income. A false allegation is a giant scandal.

>So she's not muzzled, but they are?
Yeah, she's the one that got lawyers involved and according to her was signing shit to keep things private which didn't prevent her from claiming she was bullied to death

>Funny how they decided not to release any.

Yes, it is funny how Selen consistently has no evidence of her claims while Nijisanji is putting out evidence and multiple collaborated statements from livers saying it isn't true

[Anonymous No.]

>>69232880
Elira and all who have taken power in Nijisanji EN. I offer you a chance. Walk away surrender your powers and return to simple streaming. You do not need to admit fault or take the blame you should have never had that power to begin with. We will provide safe passage and subs. We've all lost so much. Walk away and the horror can come to an end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240301
They are actually that stupid indeed. That whole website is an asinine attention contest worse than reddit, because at least in reddit you can post images or embeds to help proving something. But the in the sister's site it's just "the chimp that cries louder gets the most attention" kinda deal

t. Ex-luxiem sister, I actually tried to socialize in that hellhole before. Thanks to /MANS/ and holostars debut for taking me out of there

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240514
>stealth suspensions good
Do they seriously believe anyone besides themselves would buy into this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240293
>backed by the whole branch
Anyone leaving Nijisanji, graduating or not, does nothing but shitting on the management while being amazed by what an actual management looks like

You NDF sisters are actually completely retarded, completely unable to understand that anything said by livers, ESPECIALLY the hyperpositive stuff, is everything but trustworthy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240395
And I thought we were bad with our rrats. This is living with your head up your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240717
This. You can't tell me they fired Selen for 'damaging their brand' and not do anything about Vox, Elira and Ike basically making the whole company look like utter buffoons to anyone but the most braindead Nijimonkeys.

To say they made the company look bad would be a pretty incredible understatement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234179
that also keeps the liver from accidentally getting doxxed with their paypal. if it comes from official Niji accounts then there's nothing to doxx or trace

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240759
I'm glad you found a community fit for you. I hope your oshi isn't too badly impacted by all of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
Vshojo does pay for their talent's Covers and projects from an allowance they get. So for example kson's male April's Fool model was mostly paid for by VShojo, Froot also mentions that for her stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240759
I have to hand it to the Aussie. Him backhandedly shitting on Niji has been kinda based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239860
>But she didn't end up releasing the specific claims. Which makes them look like complete idiots who jumped the gun.
I will never call out detective plots for using this trope ever again.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/INeverSaidItWasPoison

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240628
Many thanks anon, I can work with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240581
chances are the approvals and actual work took so long there was multiple changeovers in management and managers tried to veto what their predecessor approved
I have 100% had that where upper management changes and all of a sudden these super important projects just vanish into thin air

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240786
>Anyone leaving Nijisanji, graduating or not, does nothing but shitting on the management

Exactly so isn't it extremely interesting that the members currently in Nijisanji aren't taking Selen's side and are actually taking the side of the manager? If the management was lying , why would they do this and not just shut up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240592
That's what they mean, yes. Classic ESL pronoun confusion.
Their assumption is basically that Anycolor can't hold their talents responsible for any real, legitimate wrongdoing or else the talent's fans will trash the company in irrational fury, so they have to do it secretly instead and this is somehow totally okay because it's the militant nijisanji fangirls who are the problem--except here in this one instance where they're actually the solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240514
Why do they think that simply because a person was suspended that means a detailed reason has to be given?

You can make a suspension notice just read as "Hey guys, I may have fucked up a bit and as such management's giving me some time to cool down and think about stuff. Catch you in a bit."

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240395
And obviously they're from Vox's basement.
This motherfucker really gathered nothing but sociopaths

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
Because they are the pseudo-management and it's their asses on the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240664
>heavily edited screenshot
You're still retarded

>Selen's manager ghosting her for over a day.

Managers are now wage slaves who aren't allowed days off. You're still retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
>Exactly so isn't it extremely interesting that the members currently in Nijisanji aren't taking Selen's side and are actually taking the side of the manager?
No?
Why would it be interesting that the people who rely on a company as their source of income would take the side of the company in a massive PR battle that if it ended badly, might mean they don't have a job?

>If the management was lying , why would they do this and not just shut up?
Because management has never skin walked or forced their talents to do things against their will before...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240905
Here's the thing: when you cancel a project you still have to pay the invoices the project already generated. You can't just leave people unpaid--you will genuinely get sued for this.

We can't know for certain what actually went on behind the scenes and what evidence Doki actually has, but honestly I think Anycolor's whole strategy here is to just hope that she's too traumatized to pursue justice

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240954
When threw them pasta about pedo Vox they downvote and flag it really fast lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240787
Have all these past warped pekora pngs I've been seeing just you, anon? If yes, how many more you got?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240726
>that's exactly what she did immediately after finding out she was fired.
Illiterate ESL-kun, releasing a claim isn't the same as affirming one. Niji made the claims first.
>A false allegation is a giant scandal.
Yea and publicly bashing a former employee who was (at minimum allegedly) suicidal isn't going to be a scandal at all, better do this whole thing in public instead of sending in lawyers right? Buddy you are actually fucking retarded if you think this is something anyone with even average intelligence would even consider. You're somehow dumber than Nijisanji, wow.
>Yeah, she's the one that got lawyers involved and according to her was signing shit to keep things private which didn't prevent her from claiming she was bullied to death
Literal incoherent babble. You're talking about unrelated things and acting as though they're the same things. What the fuck?
>Yes, it is funny how Selen consistently has no evidence of her claims while Nijisanji is putting out evidence and multiple collaborated statements from livers saying it isn't true
Yes. Nijisanji posted evidence... of their own manager fucking everything up. Incredible. Meanwhile Selen has a mountain of evidence in her favor already, much of it graciously provided by Nijisanji herself, but also several statements by other former Nijisanji employees and contractors.

Why are you pretending there is no evidence, when the amount of it against Niji is overwhelming as is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69235565
a cosplayer who worked with selen, was sent multiple NDAs by niji management over and over, niji kept fucking up the wording on the NDAs and sending a new one every time it was pointed out there was a fuckup and it was unenforceable

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240726
>that's exactly what she did immediately
She did not release any specific claims. Similarly, it was a blanket statement about harassment and toxic working environment.

>A false allegation is a giant scandal
Then dismantle each of her supposed claims using all the evidence they have. They literally have access to everything she did. Surely that should be their utmost priority.

>She's not muzzled
Both sides have to sign the goddamned document to 'keep things private'. Don't even try to tell me Nijisanji signed a one-sided agreement that allows her to disclose her side without penalty but somehow silences them, and then they have the temerity to whine about being threatened by her disclosure afterwards. Even Anycolor's lawyers aren't that stupid.

>has no evidence of her claims
Selen isn't the party offering provocation. Every public statement she has made has been in direct response to one from Nijisanji. She doesn't have any obligation to provide evidence, especially after she has talked about keeping it behind lawyers. Her stance has remained remarkably consistent from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239246

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241005
Unless they're going to post the entire discord log, the screenshot is worthless because it removes all context of the conversation regarding the project. It's unintentionally deceitful at best but more likely intentionally malicious and misleading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240293
If that's the case and Niji has the "evidence" that you claim it does, why was it necessary to get personal with the termination statement?

Why was it necessary for Riku to make his non-apology video?

Why was it necessry to follow-up by having three live-stream talents posit a personal attack video during a Doki livestream?

Why was it necessary for the company to do an "internal investigation" to find "no wrongdoing" on its part when the NDAs should have been clear about non-release of confidential information?

Why release a jedi-mind-trick-like statement stating that the talent's forced separation from the EN branch will have a negligible effect on corporate profitability?

Why do any of these things at all if the evidence is there and there's no need for trial-by-public-opinion?

Unless Niji's objective is to control the narrative and turn the whole situation into a trial-by-public-opinion, it makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense, though, given the context.

[Anonymous No.]

You know the sisters have literally zero intentions in arguing in good faith, so why even fucking bother?
Just call them a SEAnigger and tell them to fuck off instead of engaging them in the same circular fucking conversation that's been going since they started malding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
Because they're retarded nigga. You give retards who LARP as anime for 12 year olds too much credit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240581
If by recently you mean within two years, she did buy a Tokyo apartment recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234888
Anon, are you retarded? This is the whole thing being the case from last year where japan government want to have sale invoice publicly name for taxation, for every transaction going through. That the whole reason why artist want niji to pay them, because all transaction between artist and selen will be gone through niji management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
Do these niggers understand what the term blackmail means?

>premeditated blackmail
As opposed to...spontaneous blackmail?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239935
>Where are my heckin updoots!? I’M GONNA FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I DON’T GET MY HECKIN UPDOOTS AAAHHHHHHH!!!
Holy fucking kek you just can’t make this shit up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
Nah. Going to drown them in proof of their idiocy even on the off chance that they might otherwise mislead some tourists, and I'll do it for free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241032
yeah but that's the most likely explanation in my mind for the management frustration and fuckery with payments
Management approved, managers changed mid-project and tried to weasel out of it b y saying THEY never approved this so why do they have to pay for it out of their budget, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240859
Its a double one at that
Selen
>I felt bullied
Nijisanji trying to defend itself
>She was bullied by other livers
Elira
>Me, Enna and Millie did not bully Selen into attempted suicide

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
They were ordered to do it on fear of termination fucko

[Anonymous No.]

I'm am constantly amazed at how butt fucking retarded the NDF is. Truly a spectacle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241206
Also they're telling on themselves again. You cannot blackmail someone unless you have dirt on someone, they're actually saying Vox did in fact do something he could get blackmailed over, lmao.

How are these people so fucking dumb man...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240726
I hope you get paid to do be a company shill and you seem to not understand the basic concept that they poked the bear first which led to all this bullshit if elira fucking pandora did not fucking stream and put that video none literally none would have been made public you asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
A lot of arguments aren't to change the other party's mind. It's to change the minds of onlookers on the fence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241206
Its tag from nhentai

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241276
For starters, they're women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241283
The purpose of propaganda is not to make you think. It's to give you an acceptable excuse not to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
Because they want to keep their fucking jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241005
>Managers are now wage slaves who aren't allowed days off.
Uh, yes.
Talent managers are responsible for being on-call at all times to address the needs of their talent. If a manager cannot be on-call for legitimate reasons or has scheduled time off, it's the company's responsibility to make sure another manager is covering that period and that the talent knows who to contact for prompt professional support.
Here a project missed a critical internal deadline entirely due to managerial negligence, which in context isn't a one-off failure but part of a pattern of deliberate, malicious negligence intended to starve an employee of professional support, undermine them financially, harm their personal reputation as a business contact and drive them out of the company--at which point her contract was held over her head in order to attempt to extract further concessions from her and backfired enormously.

[Anonymous No.]

Sisters are becoming so desperate they are even posting their doc link on lowcow.
How silly, they are just opening themselves and the livers up for the criticism that all NDF are crazy K-pop girls protecting their bias without any critical thinking capability.
You don’t simply try to manipulate public opinion so obviously, compared to how grassroots the support for doki was this is so obviously manufactured.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
On the contrary. I will cheer the sisters on, because in five years of hating on Nijisanji I have never done as much damage as the sisters did in this last week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241304
>>they don't believe our document but they'll believe their own
>>fucking dumbasses

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240726

>You don't know how to fucking read, that's exactly what she did immediately after finding out she was fired.
YOU don't know how to fucking read. In her statement after the termination she did not mention any Liver, the ones that did that were NijiSanji themselves.

>Yeah because they're a media corporation that relies on their reputation for income. A false allegation is a giant scandal.
Digging their own fucking graves, as the scandal only came because of the statements they themselves made.

>Yeah, she's the one that got lawyers involved and according to her was signing shit to keep things private which didn't prevent her from claiming she was bullied to death
Funny, that she did not mention any lawsuit exactly. What she mentioned was she asked her lawyer to contact Nijisanji to get her graduation, and after days of not hearing back, decided to send the document, which is easy to simply understand that the document was a reinforcement of her request to end her contract earlier, serving as basis for said request.

>Yes, it is funny how Selen consistently has no evidence of her claims while Nijisanji is putting out evidence and multiple collaborated statements from livers saying it isn't true
What evidence did they provide? A couple of cropped screenshots of a supposed manager telling her to wait and then contradicting their own statement on the termination notice? Yeaaaaaahhhhh... Let's believe the fucking "Shadow Management" clique, instead of the person who was fucked by them over and over. Good one, sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69233031
>all the replies debunking this post
Sister got destroyed on the first post, holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
Are you completely retarded ?

Aside from the fact that Nijisanji, let's say for argument's sake, is a black company that messes with people's self-worth (thing supported by everyone that left this fucking shithole, JP AND EN side, btw), why exactly the fuck would livers be vocal against them during this fiasco without receiving huge fucking backlash by the upper echelons, making things worse for everyone including them ? (risking their own livehoods)

Everyone here repeat from the FUCKING BEGINNING that Kurosanji wouldn't be in such a position if they shut the fuck up from the get-go and let Selen go either from a graduation, or a termination over the fact that she messed up with the perms, something that nobody is arguing against.

Do you NDF retards have actually a shred of common sense ?

[Anonymous No.]

Can we get Legal Eagle on this? The last time someone tried to go against him regarding the law they got assblasted to space

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241053
>Niji made the claims first.

Dokifags actually lacking reading comprehension. She is the only one to claim that Nijisanji was responsible for her suicide attempt. Nijisanji never claimed they harassed, they claimed they didn't and she claimed she did. Learn the definition of words

>Yea and publicly bashing a former employee who was (at minimum allegedly) suicidal isn't going to be a scandal at all, better do this whole thing in public instead of sending in lawyers right?

Explaining why the accuser was fired, the specific reason why they were being fired and the history leading up to her firing is not bashing her. They never insulted her, they only said the allegations were false. A suicidal person having to be fired is always a landmine for PR.

>You're talking about unrelated things and acting as though they're the same things. What the fuck?

No counter argument. Selen was able to release a claim about her being bullied to death and she was surprised they were legally allowed to make the black box statement. She's the one putting the muzzle on people

>Nijisanji posted evidence... of their own manager fucking everything up
You're retarded. The manager never did anything except replying late

>Meanwhile Selen has a mountain of evidence in her favor already
You're still retarded. Keep on using circumstantial evidence and maybes to try imagining proof Selen is right into reality. Management being bad at their job isn't proof of management trying to throw people off buildings. Choke on Doki's cock in secret next time

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>>69241358
I don't know how anyone can argue that it's normal for a vtuber manager to be incommunicado for thirty seven fucking hours over Christmas. Even the shittiest troll knows about the cold chicken stuff and that Christmas is a huge day for livers. If you're a vtuber manager and you somehow are blissfully unaware that your talent is going to do anything on Christmas or Christmas Eve, you deserve to be fucking fired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241241
Better yet
>Selen (in private, through lawyers): I was bullied
>Nijisanji (in a public document): She said other livers bullied her!
>Selen (in a public statement): I just want to move on, don't harass anyone
>Nijisanji (in a public livestream): Here's the names of people who allegedly bullied Selen, we're doing this on her first day of streaming and having her 'friends' publicly disparage her, please don't realise that this itself is obvious bullying. We read her documents where she said she tried to kill herself and are doing this publicly anyway!
Like... Nobody would be talking about this if Niji had just kept quiet. Nijisisters keep claiming they had to say something or Selen would... do the opposite of what she was doing and said she was going to keep doing? Bruh.

[Anonymous No.]

Pomu bullied her that's why Pomu graduated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
Fucking white SEA pests will pay more, sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241424
With what? Any knowlegable person will just agree with already posted here statements by law anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240514
>>69240628
>https://imgur.com/a/AlwPxMD
These monkeys seriously live under doxxsites

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
Sister just can't stop lying lmao

[Anonymous No.]

What's going on?! Hello?


https://youtu.be/Re6OGXN_DDI?si=_2ahiZecg-lOTkuC
https://youtu.be/Re6OGXN_DDI?si=_2ahiZecg-lOTkuC
https://youtu.be/Re6OGXN_DDI?si=_2ahiZecg-lOTkuC

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
Because I want them immersed in the All Out War mindset, feeling like the walls are closing in at all times. This causes them to lash out and prolong the situation by providing 'energy' to it, feeding the fire further. Remember, if Niji had shut the fuck up on day one none of this would be happening right now, and the Grand Unifying Rrat could never have been born. The sisters are necessary for me to be entertained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
>Management being bad at their job isn't proof of management trying to throw people off buildings.
Actual braindead

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240567
it's the fucking Luigi wins by doing nothing meme x4 or x5 now

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241025
It bears remembering that NijiEN is bleeding talent right now. Others live-stream talents may not have made plans for separation or for life after NijiEN but they should.

Skin-walking likely did occur, given how Selen/Doki was locked out of her social media accounts at the time. It's probably normal practice for black companies, so I can understand if you think it's no big deal.

[Anonymous No.]

as a freelance artist I will say, even big corpos are fucking awful at making payments on time lmfao - it happens to companies as big as wizards

doesn't make it right but for people who may be wondering if corpos do this kinda thing, the answer is a big yes lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is a fucking train wreck

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
>Explaining why the accuser was fired, the specific reason why they were being fired and the history leading up to her firing is not bashing he
Lol yes it is.

Yes it is. No other vtuber company EXCEPT nijisanji has done this. They did it with Sayu which was a clear attempt at public assassination and now they did it Selen.
You don't see this shit from Cover. At most with Mel and Rushia, it was 1 or 2 sentences in the vaguest possible terms about contract breaches. There is NO REASON to list out a history of transgressions when terminating someone PUBLICLY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241470
>7 buckaroos an hour

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241578
Where do you find your client?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240395
>>69240407
I’m so happy that this place doesn’t have any like and dislike system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241598
Just like Nijisanji. Isn't it beautiful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241622
>likes your comment

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241622
>likes your comment

[Anonymous No.]

>pedo Vox post got yeeted again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240395
God fucking damn it. I was joking when I said my rrat was that the sisters are seething about selen having recorded Vox footage they can't get. they seriously are seething about it. all rrats are real....

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
Sister, management were the ones throwing the claims out there just to smear Doki. They didn't have to do it, but they did it anyway. What Doki did was just confirm it, at the same time that she asked everyone to just drop it and let her move on.

If you want to get angry at someone, get angry at the management that allowed the 3 stooges to ruin their careers and burn down the branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236997
Wow I can't believe Selen didn't want the fans to know she couldn't show graduated members in her MV, I'm sure you're right and management really wanted to make that announcement but Selen herself did not let them!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241622
>(You) have my like

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234913
>information from the most liked and popular members of Niji.
Why would anyone think that?
That's not how it works, that was never how it worked.
You don't calm any angry mob by using someone popular to pity bait, the mob will just turn their eyes to the next target.
Back in the day, if you tried to defend someone from being set on fire because the villagers are calling them a witch, that means you're a witch too.
I'm not defending Niji or Doki here, I'm just saying this logic is absolutely ridiculous and we had years of history and entertaining drama to know this would never work, and if someoyand NijiEN thought this would work, they're 100% retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

god I thought the average /vt/ catalog thread without any of this drama shit was autistic enough, having to read nijisister "arguments" is actually making me lose brain cells and hope for humanityaaa

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241622
>*likes comment*

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
>Nijisanji never claimed they harassed, they claimed they didn't and she claimed she did. L
Nijisanji initiated the claims. They have to prove that is what she claimed OR they have to prove that she is incorrect since they have placed the burden of proof upon themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69234913
>Or they actually believe what they're saying
I see, so you are saying they are malicious individuals and wanted to bully doki during one of his most vulnerable moments, got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
>Dokifags actually lacking reading comprehension. She is the only one to claim that Nijisanji was responsible for her suicide attempt. Nijisanji never claimed they harassed, they claimed they didn't and she claimed she did. Learn the definition of words
Irony, also you're moving the goalposts and are now talking about something entirely unrelated to the message you quoted. Again, Nijisanji came out and said she claimed to be getting harassed at the company. Had they not said anything then nobody would know any better.
>they claimed they didn't and she claimed she did.
Speaking of reading comprehension, you might want to work on your basic writing skills instead making comments on other people's linguistic ability. What you meant to say here was "they claimed they didn't and she claimed they did" you dumb fuck.

>Explaining why the accuser was fired, the specific reason why they were being fired and the history leading up to her firing is not bashing her.
??? That's like saying punching someone is not hitting them you retard. In no industry is it normal to publicly list things that can be considered slanderous in a notice of termination, ESPECIALLY in JP where defamation laws will fuck you over even if what you said was true. They could simply have made some neutral statements like "differences in opinion" "problems with management" etc. They specifically included the claim that she accused other livers of harassment for no real reason because that cannot possibly have actually contributed to her termination.

Not even going to read the rest of your babble, you're genuinely insane if you believe half the shit you've said so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241672
You faggots really like believing any allegation made by a menhera with every motive to make a false allegation and then ignoring all evidence that the allegation is fake.

You must all actually be women, I'm convinced

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241823
>I see, so you are saying they are malicious individuals and wanted to bully doki during one of his most vulnerable moments, got it.
It's funny how that's pretty much what the sisters are so desperately trying to prove.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240726
>Yes, it is funny how Selen consistently has no evidence of her claims while Nijisanji is putting out evidence and multiple collaborated statements from livers saying it isn't true
>Nijisanji is putting out evidence and multiple collaborated statements from livers saying it isn't true

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
The projection in this post is unreal

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240491
No, if you bring it up to them directly they will just repeat the same arguments they’ve already made but while clearly being angrier, it’s like they just short circuit if you prove them wrong, it’s like trying to argue with a rock.
You can see it for yourself in any of the threads they are currently raiding from their doxxsite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241603
>No other vtuber company EXCEPT nijisanji has done this
Let's not get crazy here. WACTOR, AkioAir etc.

Y'know, other well-known black companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241726
This is part of the reason that embezzlement thing is taking off even without any hard evidence, they are exhibiting such an absurd degree of pants-on-head-retardedness that even defending themselves from even FACTUAL harassment allegations doesn't cut the mustard anymore, people are trying to reach for better explanations because they can't believe how insane they are acting. There MUST be a rational reason. The world must make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
So calling people reddit didn't work, calling people SJWs didn't work, I guess calling people women is sisters new tactic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241936
I want doki to step on my dick so badly bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
>You must all actually be women, I'm convinced
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
>You must all actually be women, I'm convinced

Kek only a woman would write this
Unlike you sister, most of us actually like women because we don't feel threatened by them, as retarded as you all are

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
I can confirm I'm a girl unlike you, tranny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
>She's menhera!
>Crazy!
>BPD!
>Nuts!
>Why would anyone believe she'd try to kill herself?
Anon. Hello? Anyone home? The light is on but nobody is answering. You literally argued against yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241823
When was this said? Schizophrenics need to go in the mental ward

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241936
Boobs need to be much much bigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241578
A lot of companies are awful at making payments on time and it's either 1 of 2 things in my experience. The invoice wasn't put into the system, or they have no money in the bank account for expenses so they're prioritizing the more important bills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241957
>Let's not get crazy here. WACTOR, AkioAir etc.
I count them as grey-market human trafficking rings more than genuine companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908
Keep crying or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240684
Then why do you stink like the sea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240932
Isn't this exactly what happened to Vesper?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242048
>Sisters lack any kind of basic reading comprehension
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242108
Basically. He said he had spats with management and they told him to shut the fuck up and cool off.

Nobody really cared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242066
Some companies are just penny-pinchers and want to earn an extra month or two of interest

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242066
The latter is hard to believe given their own financial statements unless budgets were being misappropriated or money somehow otherwise went missing out of budgets, which would actually imply criminal conduct by Niji staff. The former is managerial incompetence that cannot be justified when it took them months in some cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242108
>But what about Hololive though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236162
Holy shit why is this pic not being spread more?
Someone that worked on the behind the scenes for the MV, actually had received official contracts from Nijisanji, and can talk on behalf of the events, should have their side spread more.
This is huge.

Nijisanji can't hide their dirt with shit like this going around.

[Anonymous No.]

nijisisters are all over twt with their rentry and retweeting it with alts. how do we counter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242108
Vesper literally talks about why he quit as Orc. He said the main reason was the idol stuff he couldn't really handle and needing to get perms for games. He doesn't seem to hate Hololive or speak badly about it sister, just said it wasn't for him and he wasn't fired. They just let him quit on his terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240759
Good on you for getting out of that place femanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69236162
oh no no no no sisters what do we do it turns out that our company is incompetent as fuck after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242251
We don't. It's such a poorly worded document that the only people who give a shit about it are people who are corpo bootlickers anyway and everybody else just look at them and laughs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
>Dokifags actually lacking reading comprehension. She is the only one to claim that Nijisanji was responsible for her suicide attempt. Nijisanji never claimed they harassed, they claimed they didn't and she claimed she did. Learn the definition of words


It's now known that you have the reasoning ability of a blowfish but please, focus a little bit, everything Doki did was a reaction against the PR claims that they even confirmed with the 3 stooges's live "mmh AckSHUallY we didn't think it was harrassment" (thus confirming that they went at least hard enough to be another source of anxiety)"

They confirmed that
-Livers are concerned (doki never said shit about that)
-Confirmed that there was stuff that could be seen as harrassment in her point of view (them not agreeing doesn't make it a proof, you don't go see a victim of sexual harrassment to say "But the guy said he didn't think it was harrassment, maybe you're exaggerating to manipulate everyone ?")
-confirmed even that eventual livers are directly concerned by this shit by having Vox making everything about himself, that Elira saying that her, Millie and Enna are directly named in Selen's document
-They confirmed that they're dumb fucks by showcasing the fact that they read a document they were not supposed to read from the fucking beginning


Everything doki did and said was only in reaction of the fuckery they did, and wished nothing but peace (in the sense that now that she's out, she wants to follow her own road and forget everything about these fucks), thus having a now extremely good public image


What is so difficult to understand exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>>69239192
>jist
More like Milord jizz am I right sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241835
>Nijisanji came out and said she claimed to be getting harassed at the company. Had they not said anything then nobody would know any better.

And then she claimed she was getting harassed by the company publicly. Great work, anon. Also pardon my not giving a shit about being grammatically correct while speaking to brainlets.

>They specifically included the claim that she accused other livers of harassment for no real reason because that cannot possibly have actually contributed to her termination.

You're so smart for suggesting that they omit the part that they're aware that Doki is threatening to sue them and her allegations aren't true so that Doki can say that they fired her after she was bullied to death and purposely omitted the part about the lawsuit because they're trying to bury the truth and not because she broke the rules and refused to agree to the terms given.

Continue living in Fantasyland. The adults are talking

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242251
It literally makes fun of mentally ill people and says pretty much mentally ill people should all kill themselves inside of it. Let it spread, it just makes them look worst and worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242251
This shit has reached the wider public already and they're going to get repeatedly slammed by popular figures over these incredibly-easy-to-mock statements, so let them keep telling on themselves.

We get such brilliant things as Vox fans defending him by saying Selen was threatening to blackmail him, which is incredibly funny because you can't really threaten to blackmail someone unless you have something to blackmail them with, or they at least believe you have something to blackmail them with, which can only be true if Vox definitely did something wrong.

They are literally crucifying their own idols to try and get at Dokibird now, it's glorious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242251
We don't need to.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
Spare me the what if scenario, you seem intent on proving Doki was/is about to sue Nijisanji yet you never produce any proof to your claim.
You can base your argument on hypothetical retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
It’s funny watching them get clearly angrier and angrier when you present them with objective and factual information until they devolve into screaming chimps throwing incoherent insults and slurs at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
>Nijisanji: Selen has claimed to have been bullied by livers in Nijisanji
>Selen: NOO THAT'S NOT TRUE! FILTHY LIARS

...Is that what you were expecting a victim of bullying to say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69240919
Should i remind you list of Zaion's termination crimes? I think there was more than one which is about hurting company image and was including some where she talked about her manager with other manager.

Though maybe in current situation it is a nice way to get out without waiting for graduation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
>And then she claimed she was getting harassed by the company publicly.
Because Nijisanji said it first...What about this is difficult for you to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241133
It’s too fun watching them seethe and cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242251
>The hashtag is already slammed by normies because it's coming off as forced
>Not helping the case is the word SPAM in it
Pottery

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
>And then she claimed she was getting harassed by the company publicly
Because they already claimed publicly that she claimed privately she was getting harassed. Not reading the rest of your bullshit. Holy shit, fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
What we do know is that doki is recording people without their consent. We have no evidence that she was actually harassed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
If she had claimed it on her own it would have been a completely different story. They could have easily painted her as just being salty over being terminated, and she could NEVER have taken the high ground of 'please don't pursue this case any further' because then SHE would have started it.
Do you begin to understand the SHEER FUCKING MAGNITUDE of a fuckup that Nijisanji did by starting the shit-throwing, and why it makes people absolutely convinced they are guilty? This shit is on the level of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor and then sending the declaration of war an hour later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241276
Most of them are like 12 or 14.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241908

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242668
>without consent
Bitch please, Canada abd the rest of the developed world has one-party-consent clause

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
>And then she claimed she was getting harassed by the company publicly.
Yes? Why is this a problem? Earlier you said it was fine for Nijisanji to make statements to defend themselves (despite there not being anything to defend themselves from) but now you're trying to suggest it's not okay for Dokibird to do so? Why the double standard?
>Also pardon my not giving a shit about being grammatically correct while speaking to brainlets.
This is somehow more of a self-own than a childish jab, it's incredibly funny that you'd say something so utterly stupid while trying to remark on the intelligence of others. Damn son. You weren't even being called out on grammar at all you clown.
>You're so smart for suggesting that they omit the part that they're aware that Doki is threatening to sue them and her allegations aren't true so that Doki can say that they fired her after she was bullied to death and purposely omitted the part about the lawsuit because they're trying to bury the truth and not because she broke the rules and refused to agree to the terms given.
What the fuck is sister even saying here? Anyone able to help me out here because there doesn't seem to be a coherent claim or interpretation to be found here. Now I get to call you out on grammar because holy fuck where is the fucking grammar son?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242418
You are quite possibly and I mean this with no exaggeration the most retarded person on /vt/ and are actively hurting your side. I'd advise you to cease but you're hilarious so continue to dance monkey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242668
>What we do know is that doki is recording people without their consent
Legally speaking, not a problem.
If you take Doki at her word, it was a test recording and Vox just happened to have probably said shit that could actually be used in her case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242732
If you're voice chatting with someone isn't that just being social instead of parasocial

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241321
Nice quote, saving that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242668
Canada allows that sorta shit you numbnut. And no, for the last time, airing out your dirt in the public space because this isn't the kiddie pool anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242733
>>69242770
>>69242804
I'm not talking about Canadian laws. She records conversations without telling the other person and that is a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242732
>people on a doxx website bitching about the fact that voxx's address was leaked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242613
I have a feeling people genuinely saying shit like this are retards who either have a low retention span or can't actually read. Nijisanji's termination notice says that Selen would post her allegations publicly should Nijisanji choose to not negotiate with her.

They chose to not negotiate and fired her. She released the allegations. It's not that hard to understand. Stop acting like she was never going to if Nijisanji just were a bit nicer

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242782
their engrish no good, you have to forgive them anon.
It's already a miracle how they can access the free web from Guangzhong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242770
It's actually really funny how Vox got outflanked. I wonder if he realizes it. He HAS to agree with Selen that the recording was harmless and from a test recording, because if he calls her a liar, that means he recorded saying something fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242020
X account or gtfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242144
In a hypothetical situation where the invoice was never put into the system for months, the only reason anyone would find out would be if the vendor was able to contact someone who actually cared.
t. someone who didn't work in AP but ended up being some pseudo AP because I didn't ghost vendors for weeks on end and had a line directly to the owners of the client companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242827
Sister, your retarded emotions "matter" only in twitter closed space.
What matters in real world - law.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242827
Okay?

Work related conversations are absolutely fair game to record.

[Anonymous No.]

This situation has been a very good lesson in intelligence, counterintelligence and information warfare.
Now imagine not applying this lessons to real shit like wars and stuff and still thinking everything they tell on the telly is truthful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242888
Are you a lawyer representing doki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242827
>She records conversations without telling the other person and that is a fact.
And so..?? I think u are actually lost on what point u are trying to make

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242668
>We know Dokibird didn't do anything wrong, but Vox was incredibly upset over the fact that *something* he said was recorded.
Anon. That was a confession by Vox that he said things that, if recorded, could be used against him. He admitted to wrongdoing you brain-dead spastic, and he did so while failing to implicate Dokibird of actual wrongdoing.

And you know the best part of all this? Dokibird in her follow-up statement didn't even mention that she was perfectly in her rights to record conversations between herself and others (and she is) and that she had done nothing wrong. She instead apologised. She did the one thing entirely opposite of everything you NDFfaggots are accusing her of, she avoided drama, avoided outing other people, avoided accusing people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242827
And that's with her consent, so what's the problem here? Do you get what one-party-consent is?
Can you speekee inglish sister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242770
The recording was probably just a part of a canceled project and this is why she added it to her document as an example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242872
>that Selen would post her allegations publicly should Nijisanji choose to not negotiate with her.
Yes it did say that. And?

If Selen had come out of the gate swinging, she would have looked like a fucking retard and people would be dogpiling her for being a complete spastic and deserving to be terminated because you don't fucking do shit like that whilst employed or negotiating, that's childish, malicious and unprofessional. But she didn't because Niji really wanted to hit that spastic button first. What about this do you not understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242943
I'm going to tell you this will go down as something they talk about in school on how not to handle PR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242732
>Selen is parasocial to Vox
Why can't they stop projecting so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242951
Yes actually, I just got appointed just now.
My qualification is that it took me 3 days to finish a single Ace Attoney case (the original DS one).

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
Seethe harder sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242958
I know right. People can't deny the fact that she records conversation with her coworkers so they fall back to the "it's legal in canada!11" excuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243031
>Parasocial fucks!
>Yes Milord! GAWKGAWKGAWKGAWK
It's amusing as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242732
Do the sisters really think Vox would graduate in solidarity with selen, or anyone else for that matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243031
>coworkers
>co-streamers
>met irl
>know each other names
PaRaCociAl

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241783
Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243015
>If Selen had come out of the gate swinging, she would have looked like a fucking retard and people would be dogpiling her

Wrong. She attempted suicide and no one is going to dogpile someone who attempted suicide due to workplace harassment. Public opinion would always be against Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242872
>Selen would post her allegations publicly should Nijisanji choose to not negotiate with her.
Yes, Selen would have made a mistake if she did that. Great, we agree on that. So you understand that Niji made a mistake by doing literally that, don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242872
Average nijisister

[Anonymous No.]

>>69242048
Wow sister, ableist much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243104
You're the one saying she recorded their conversation
>without consent
and when people point out that you only need yourself as the consenting party you're throwing tantrum.
Please understand the rest of the world is not as restricting as China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243104
Anon. You're not saying she did anything wrong here, so what are you talking about? Why are you suggesting recording conversations with people is bad, when the law itself says it's not? What reasoning do you have here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243194
I'm not the one who said she records their conversation. She said it herself https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1757763627413631383

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243184
Vox probably would, looks young enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243145
>She attempted suicide and no one is going to dogpile someone who attempted suicide due to workplace harassment. Public opinion would always be against Niji

So, your entire argument is predicated on the fact you can see alternative timelines in your head? Also, and? If Niji came out with a subsequent statement and all the evidence that supposedly have on hand to debunk every claim she would have made, she would look like an absolute psycho. But she didn't because Niji wanted to hit the psycho button first.

Anything else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243145
you're not very bright, are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69243123
Of course, just like when they believed milord would be their boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69241455
>Dokifags actually lacking reading comprehension. She is the only one to claim that Nijisanji was responsible for her suicide attempt. Nijisanji never claimed they harassed, they claimed they didn't and she claimed she did. Learn the definition of words
Assuming you're correct here, you are aware you're calling Nijisanji retarded?
They didn't need to disclose the "harassment claim" on their 3 page termination notice, they did it because they thought they'd gain sympathy from doing it.
>b-but she threatened them
Yes, exactly. She threatened them, so they KNEW she would make a post after, that's what YOU are saying.
If they knew she would make a post after, them making the post BEFORE her would never gather any kind of respect for them UNLESS they for some they would, like retards.
They couldn't have make that post expecting her to not make a post after, since, as you implied, she would make a post anyway. Their winning condition wasn't doing that dumb move. But they did it anyway.
The question here is: why? Why did they decide to release that termination notice exposing everything if they knew she would expose even more after that? What did they want to gain with that? Why would they expect that saying "she claimed she was harassed" wouldn't cause her to say "that's true, I was"? And why would they think doing that would make people stand on their side, the side with the supposed, real or not, harassers?

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>>69243104
Well, if you weren't retarded, you'd know it was only a test recording for some stream. Vox was shitting his pants because he has skeletons in his closet.

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>>69242827
>I'm not talking about Canadian laws. She records conversations without telling the other person and that is a fact.
Vox seriously needs to address this, or else he's always going to be a pedoclown

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>>69243286
Please please let there be a girlfriend yab with Vox it would be hilarious. It would be better if it was Enna or something.

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>>69243325
Do you actually believe in convenient random test recordings?

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>>69243104
It's not an excuse...it's just the law? What is your problem exactly?

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>>69242827
>>69243104

It's not against the law. Being a paranoid meanie isn't a crime, kid, and you do know they're all entertainers working as coworkers that aren't actually family right? Get this, it's a job. The only difference is that instead of crunching numbers in an office together, they're entertaining the masses wearing anime skins.

That's right, Selen did nothing legally wrong by recording conversations.

Let me make it even more clear. U wong, u wetard

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>>69243145
Didn't people dunk on Boogie when he threatened to shoot himself?

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>>69243267
Anon. Nobody is questioning that she recorded their conversation. Do you even speak English? Are you reading any of this? Am I talking to a bot?

Yes. She recorded their conversation. She was well within her rights to do so, and it is exceedingly normal to do so in a business setting. She did it, and doing so is in no way wrong.

Do you know what 'minutes' are? Not the unit of time, obviously, but 'minutes' in a business sense. Do you know what they are? Please tell me you're not talking this much shit and you don't even know what minutes are.

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>>69243362
I'm not a lawyer and I'm not the court, I have no idea why you're going for the legal angle.

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>>69243267
>newfaggotry
Please learn to 4chin if you're trying to pass here sister

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>>69243015
>Your Honor, after the divorce I told everyone at the barbeque that she was going to accuse me of being a wifebeater, and that she was a liar. She then agreed, in front of everyone, that I was a wifebeater. Now everyone thinks I am a wifebeater and my reputation is in tatters! How much can I sue her for?

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>>69240125
That’s why they’re spinning it as “you’re ESL if you think that’s what they’re saying” and denying that payment would be Anycolor’s responsibility in cases where the artist says that’s the case.

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>>69243280
>Niji came out with a subsequent statement and all the evidence that supposedly have on hand to debunk every claim she would have made

I wonder how many times retarded Dokikeks will continue to say this. She was threatening a lawsuit so anything conversation or logs they use as evidence is at risk of getting them fucked legally so they have given as much evidence as they can within getting legally fucked. It's that simple. The evidence given is basically enough

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>>69243355
Well, if it's not, then Vox certainly has something to feel guilty for otherwise he wouldn't have cared at all.

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>>69243426
Are the sisters in your room right now?

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im more curious about whatever Vox is saying behind the scenes to make him having a fucking melt down and piss his pants over some off hand clip. it shouldn't be that deep unless you have something to hide lol

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>>69243414
Ok. So on what grounds is there a moral issue with recording a conversation you're having with someone else? And if not a moral issue, then what issue ARE you talking about here? You keep not specifying what the actual problem is and just repeatedly asserting that it was somehow wrong.

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>>69242251
Their ”counter argument” to the GURrat just brings more attention to the situation and the original GURrat.
Don’t interrupt them, let them dig their own grave if they want to.

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>>69243351
>Girlfriend yab
>He doesn't know about the spoon gate
Anon, why do you think Vox number is so bad nowaday even with ASMR/camera/roleplay buff?

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>>69243184
Anon, there's no need for ad hominem the NDF is making a fool of themselves all over the internet, there's no need to stoop so low.

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>>69243267

>WHY DOES EVERYONE BELIEVE WHAT DOKI SAYS??
>WELL I'LL BELIEVE HER BUT ONLY THE PART THAT FITS MY NARRATIVE

If you're going to quote her at least fucking read what she said

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>>69243446
>She was threatening a lawsuit so anything conversation or logs they use as evidence is at risk of getting them fucked legally so they have given as much evidence as they can within getting legally fucked. It's that simple
So you believe Nijisanji because...?

>The evidence given is basically enough
Which is...?

The only evidence they have provided is a heavily edited screenshot of a discord conversation which proves exactly fuck all?

Also
>Nijisanji can't provide any evidence
>But the evidence they have provided is enough
lmao, so no evidence is enough for you to believe them?

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>>69243502
The GURat is retarded. Just a bunch of circumstantial evidence and people assuming that Niji couldn't find a manager who was bilingual or couldn't hire a translator

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>>69243440
What about the artists saying they literally ahs a contract with Anycolor that they fucked up and did incorrectly? That mean they were contracted with Anycolor and no real way to spin they weren't.

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>>69243464
Can you
>read
this
>sister
?

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>>69243492
I don't think there is an issue with recording conversations. For some reason people get really pissed off and become lawyers when you mention that doki did in fact record conversations.

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>>69243491
What I find weird is that, if it was genuinely he just felt hurt from recording him privately and not because it would fuck him, then he could just say what was recorded.

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>>69242251
The document is so retarded we don't need to anything.
Also, youtubers and e-celebs, even small ones like parrot, depressed nousagi, khyo, nux, false, etc, will probably make a video about it, pick it apart, laugh at it, and it'll spread as a big meme

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>>69243502
it's already started. twtfags are pointing out the bpd ableism

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>>69243184
Is that a ten year old boy?

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>>69243652
So why are you bringing it up then retard?

>Doki did this
>So?
>Well, she did it
>And?
>She did it

Actual brainlet.

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>>69243586
You've got a point there, it's pure fanfiction to satiate our need for entertainment. The difference is that people take it for what it is instead of claiming it's the actual and sole truth like that other document does which has the exact same level of validity. It's ridiculous.

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>>69243586
Anon. Stop watching daytime legal dramas. The vast majority of evidence is circumstantial, babbling that 'just a bunch of circumstantial evidence' is somehow a win for you is incredibly juvenile. Most convictions in court will be determined entirely by circumstantial evidence, ESPECIALLY outside of actual criminal trials.

Please stop talking about legal stuff when you don't even know the fundamental BASIC shit like this. Or do, and keep outing yourself as a completely clueless idiot and we can all laugh at you.

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>>69243655
Those that get hurt from being recorded are usually bad actors and have stuff to hide. For all intents and purposes we don’t know how he acts off stream in VC with them

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>>69243652
You're the one throwing the word
>without consent
as if recording phone call is some immoral and criminal thing

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>>69243446
The thing is, again, they didn't need to do anything. Even if for some reason they did feel threatened by Selen, they should have dealt with it privately with her lawyer. Both parties had already agreed on doing that, in fact, before Niji for some reason decided to let Le Retarded Vox Akuma review the confidencial legal documents that no one should be reading.

>The evidence given is basically enough
What evidence? A discord screenshot of something we already knew had happened? Doki broke several rules and Nijisanji decided to fire her. Fine enough. The problem is how they chose to do it.

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>>69243705
>doki records conversations
>sister
>sister
>sister
Why is it so?

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>>69243586
Nobody claims the gurrat isn't retarded. It's literally got the word rrat in it's name. It's not claiming to be anything except a piece of fiction. But it is really fucking funny

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>>69243586
The embezzlement shit is probably wrong but Elira gets tons of unjustifiable preferential treatment and all the PR communications are written in an emotional, highly personal tone. As if whoever wrote it felt wronged by whatever Doki did. If she's not a manager, she's incredibly close to whoever is.

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>>69243586
Hint is in the name anon. GURrat implies that it's a crock theory and not a fact. It doesn't mean anything until it is proven, and at that point the GURRAT just becomes proven fact based on a Rrat.