/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Do you remember the times when Elira would be called out for having a clique in marshmallows 3 years ago, and would get so mad, she'd actually respond here?
Do you think she still shitposts here?

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>Elira admitted to laughing at dissenters on Discord with her clique
checks out

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>>69975269
>that OP in pic
Holy ESL I can smell the pagpag from here.

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The clique predates NijiEN, simple as
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Hanamori

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>>69975269
Yes but they're not shitposts, she's seething the entire time.
Multiple NijiENs are confirmed /here/.

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>>69975491
Ah so that is why Shoto was the sixth member of Luxiem, smart of him to bail out at the peak too

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>>69975594
I wouldn't know if he applied and was rejected, but if he never did he's galaxy brained

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>>69975269
based grudgeposter. post more

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>>69975269

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It's kinda hard for her type when when she has dicks in both hands, in her mouth and both holes right now

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>>69975269
more than that, she’s every post unironically using “dookiebird”. kindergarten ass insult

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>>69975269
more likely it was enna/millie

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>>69975269
i wonder at what point exactly pomu had elira had falling out, since pomu was definitely closer to selen and nina later on.

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>>69976236
hot

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>>69976422
They had a falling out? She went to antarctica with Elira, sounds like they were still close months away from graduation

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>>69976484
Elira wanted to assasinate Pomu in some remote desolate place to remove any potential loose ends.
Or convert her into the clique.
But Pomu is a survivor and she wouldn't let little things like that get to her.

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>>69976422
Pomu is the nice person that chooses to not throw their weight around and is tolerated by both sides.

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Russian Twitch Thot? First time I've heard that one.

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>>69976484
Pomu paid for Elira's trip. Also they stayed in the same room so Pomu couldn't pick up Selen's call undetected. Also if Pomu didn't bring Elira, she won't get the perms for her final MV in time.

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>>69976422
she was toeing the line. her OL survival instincts kicked in when she realized some bullshit was afoot

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>>69976484
>>69976560
>She went to antarctica with Elira
>convert her into the clique
Literally Evangelion.

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>>69975269
How do you even know that's Elira?
>This guy will also think im Elira, okay.

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>>69975464
I think he is russian judging from the style of mistakes but man saw it all 3 years ahead of time

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>>69976758
It's okay, Elira, we won't forgive you.

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>>69975463
based elira

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>>69975269
Remember when Nina was the pariah of vtubing and literally the devil and then one day people forgot all about it? That was a very interesting coincidence.

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>>69981452
I remember, but that's because she was an SJW and decided to stop being one.
Plus his entire generation is hated, especially now.

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>>69981452
People memoryhole shit easily.
I remember. People thinking she changed clearly have never interacted with a woman before.
She simply learned how to be a better actress, that's it. If anything, the bullying she got from the rest of Ethyria was justified.

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>>69981819
She's a bitch too. It was just three bitches and their hanger on against one.

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>>69975269
never liked a single liver from Ethyria

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>>69975269
I have been reading people complain about and defend the clique >>69975491
for ages back when I watched and went to /nijien/.

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>>69976764
Slavic languages distinguish singular and plural; that guy doesn't.
Plus a slav would never use thing instead of think. The inverse is far more likely due to final consonant devoicing.

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>>69975491
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Ryuusei_Nova
>Dislikes: Tomato

you don't say...

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>>69976236
All me.

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>>69975269
>Do you think she still shitposts here?
All of them lmao

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>>69982999
What is Tomato in Elira context?

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>>69976732
chuckled harder than I should of

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>>69983212
Doki is a tomato using a bird human skin suit.

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>>69975269
>Only Nina wasn't a nepohire
>She was harassed by the others and excluded from discord calls since before debut

of course

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>>69976732
I can see how Elira could push Pomu from ice cliff.

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>>69983310
>should of

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>>69983212
Dokibird's default avatar was a tomato

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>>69983212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X13Hgb2MZ-Q

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>>69983413
american thing

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>>69982961
Thing instead of think is a normal autocorrect error though

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>>69983372
>>69983424
>>69983477
Well I'm surprised.
Thanks.

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>>69983389
She deserved it.

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>>69975269
>Do you think she still shitposts here?
Yes.

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>>69983389
Makes a lot of sense.

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>>69983389
>the only white person of the wave

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>>69976950
I knew it. LMAOO this nigger really thinks about it. I'm more brutal than elira tho

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>>69985116
Sure Elira, looking forward to the termination once the suspension is over

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>>69975594
i always was annoyed with how shoto basically denounced nijien for its shitty fan culture after he was part of the reason it got so bad but now i realize while he was a part of why nijien went to shit fandom wise, he still had high enough standards to abandon them when he saw they were beyond redemption.

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>>69985116
You're not that important to even think a vtuber would reply to you nigs.

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>>69976264
I believe this rrat.

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>>69975269
Yeah I bet she calls Uki a chink faggot all the time here.

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>>69976264
man shes truly is stupid for not going with dorkibird as the mock.
if shes going to mock someone at least be more clever then just using a different spelling but pronounced the same

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>>69975269
at the end pomu wasnt involved, only elira, and the cockroach pig ended up being related too, but it was harder to spot.

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>>69985685
The problem is that dorkibird is kind of endearing

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>>69975269
Based ESL bashing. Just because Selen didn't deserve it doesn't mean that OP didn't either.

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>>69976484
Do you think Elira would've approved such a thing if Pomu didn't pay for it AND invite her to come along?

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>>69985387
What kind of higher level being do you think vtubers are lol >>69983204

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>>69976484
Since this particular event has been getting used and abused by bad actors, I will make this statement once and only once, in an attempt to clear misconceptions.
Pomu had been preparing for this trip for a while. It was a topic even back in the hanamori days.
Elira asked her to come with.
Pomu is an accommodating and confrontation-averse person, and Elira was her coworker and long-time friend.
They were not particularly close when the trip happened, and they certainly were not particularly close following the trip.
The best way to describe Pomu's and Elira's relationship would be that of a strained friendship that's cooled off to the status of an acquaintance. They were never actual friends that would confide to each other or hang out together one-on-one, but they were both in the same friend-group, social circle, and industry.
They are still friends, in the same way you would be friends with a coworker you only see at work, and would wave to and make 5-minute small-talk when you run into each other on the street.


This is how adults navigate the world.

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>>69975464
>Holy ESL
damn not only is elira still here but she's also using the same insults as back then

it is funny that the pagpag was right though maybe it gives mudskins prophetic visions like peyote

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>>69982999
the proof was right in front of us all along

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>>69975677
he said he applied, but retracted his application at the last minute bc he saw the writing on the wall, and he didn't want no part in it kek he still stuck around them as an outsider tho

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>>69975491
Imagine if Nagu was able to get her Atolive friends into hololive.

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>>69985828
>pomu wasnt involved
Doubtful. She and Nina likely had full hands in this but were lucky enough to graduate before everything broke.

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>>69989626
Nina? Maybe. Pomu? No way.

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>>69975491
>one of them illustrated Uki’s orisong MV
hmmmmm

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>>69984967
Slavs aren't white.

[Anonymous No.]

I really worry about you all of you guys not taking your meds. I promise that it'll improve the quality of your life and the lives of people around you.

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>>69990622
I don't even have meds. And no, I won't see a shrink, fuck you

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>>69989273
Meh, I'll never fault Shoto for grifting with Luxiem because there simply isn't another way for a male indie to be relevant as evidenced by him being the only one to be so. Dude came in, got his fans, and dipped onto better things. Sometimes you gotta be that smart.

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>>69990622
Hate to break it to you anon, but this is me on my meds, and also after I took a higher dosage. Just want to see NijiEN burn at this point for being made up of mostly bad people that could have turned things around at any point, but didn't. Instead they let it devolve back into another high school circlejerk.

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>>69990550
whiter than you tyrone

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>>69975269

she 100% was trying to bully doki into a further suicide attempt here becuase "guys she's already preemptively mentally ill, it's not weird to try and kill herself"

im beginning to think being a *mean girlTM* is a mental illness children should have beaten out of them. punish women for narcissism

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>>69982999
>>69989186

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>>69975491
who is who?

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>>69987411 checked
Thanks Mr Lightning Bolt if it truly is you, however what about all the wife talk and love-bombing they would do, for lack of a better term? More cases of keeping up appearances for the stream audiences due to genuine friendship in the past? Or was it always played up for content/fun and to keep things civil?

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>>69990224
Nina literally begged on stream to be included with the rest of the Ethyria girls. Imagine being 30+ years old and become the pet of a mean girls club that kicked you out at the beginning.

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>>69992357
Elira
Claude
Uki
Shu
Are the ones I know

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Now I remember those threads from nijisisters of Sana being a nepo-hire, multiple threads everyday.
Man does it hit different now.

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>>69992884
It's coworkers play-acting, which comes naturally since they've been working together for several years.
Vtuber friendships, and female friendships for that matter, are fickle and utilitarian. What you see outwardly does not necessarily reflect what's being felt inwardly.
The entire industry is actors taking cues from more successful actors. The wife-talk and love-bombing, as you phrased it, is very successful and well-received by fans. That's why it's employed by virtually every female Vtuber that fosters this audience.

People need to regularly take a step back and remind themselves that this is a business, these people are entertainers, and this is creative work.

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>>69975491
What happened to this young and innocent girl?

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>>69990224
Pomu has a history of being a bitch to people for her own gain. Even if she's changed as much as she claims she's still the type to go along with the majority, evidenced by her proximity to Elira for most of her niji career. I'm pretty sure she only started to pull away after the clique fucked her over personally.

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>>69975491
actually makes me wonder why chimon joined a different company ngl

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>>69993678
the fact that shes staying quiet is proof of that, but i wonder if she realizes that by not speaking up on doki shes screwing niji and eliras clique even harder, shes being used along with sayu and U san as for reasons why niji and the clique are evil

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>>69987411
I feel pity for you Pomudachis, for one day Pomu's mask will slip.

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>>69994246
Pretty sure more than just her mask has let slip, didn't seem to change anything about her perception.

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>>69993486
Understandable and I did expect as much, it's just better if someone (potentially) more involved with the situation clarifies it for those who would be watching. I suppose the sticking point is that like any job, you would think someone would only put in their best consistent work if they enjoyed it, and a small part of that in this case would need to come from an initial positive relationship, even if it's heavily played up. That'd be where the disconnect fans are having with current events stems from. Plus the industry is also predicated on interaction and relationships be it between the vtubers themselves to get collabs going or with the fans where the lines of entertainer and online friend constantly twist and blur for many reasons good or ill.

Also unironically if you want a chuuni nickname with degrees of separation to push you can do a lot worse than Lightning Bolt, Raiden went undercover and distanced himself because he had his own war to fight for his own ideals. Metal Gear's memes are eternal.

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>>69993655
>What happened
she took the internet seriously

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys actually believe Elira has aphantasia? Or that is something she made up about herself to be more quirky and special

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I'm just surprised no one has exploited the horrendous opsec and intense need for approval of the fish to sneak a logger or stealer onto her system to grab some juicy inside intel

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Cross referencing everything from various rrat threads over the last few days and this is what I've got so far. Any here anybody wants to add to (evidence requried)?

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>>69995666
What makes you say that Alban isn't in the clique? I know nothing of him, just curious, Satan-sama

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>>69995666
>Aia Confirmed Clique
QRD?

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>>69994246
I like how they pomudachis know about the underaged /b/omu shit but somehow never found out about her cosplay and idol arc that made a lot people hate her way before vtubers were even a thing

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>>69995791
The current rrat is that he's one of the clique's bully victims, like Scarle in that his only his collabs appear to be ones he's been forced into.

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>>69995666
Feels very self made. If you wanna do this, explain every mark.

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>>69975269
Elira, there's only one way out of your situation.
Embrace your inner Hollywood slut, and get out of this by releasing a sex tape.
I don't care if it's with Selen, Zaion, Vox, or whoever, but you need to release it.
It will be the hatefuck to end all hatefucks, the kino to end all kino, the energy contained in such a release of pure energy will summon the eldritch god that will finally let us transcend our 3D Reality and enter a New 2D Age.

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>>69995666
>Kotoka yellow
Since when?

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>>69996196
>I felt soooo betrayed by Zaion;_;
>I was soooo scared;_;

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>>69996122
Maybe because, in both cases, it was a long time ago and people learn from the past and grow up to become better people. (that and >believing seagulls lul)

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>>69990550
Slavs are whiter than even aryans. You're thinking of Finno-Ugrians - the ACTUAL Russians. Russians are not slavs

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>>69996248
Why isn't that shit purple?

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>>69996359
not him, but I'm whiter than most serbs or polacks I've seen on TV, anon

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>>69995666
hex and ren are clique

3 stooges video
https://twitter.com/RenZott0/status/1757202187468394874

selen termination paper work
https://twitter.com/RenZott0/status/1754623517990252579

>I’ll speak for myself.
>Very unfair situation, I’m really upset
>Please be respectful

i've seen this narrative pushing ren and hex as somehow good but a reminder that these faggots ren and hex baited people into liking them by posting neutral responses to selen's termination. Later they turned face and sold the black video with some faux bfe shit

Ren
>Important.
>It would mean a lot if you could take a listen, thank you.

Hex
>i fully support and stand behind my peers on this message, it's been so
>difficult and trying on all of us. i hope to have you there, thank you for your
>love and patience

these faggots are not only not good but have tried to spin a buck both ways fucking over their coworkers in niji and fucking over selen outside of niji they are a textbook case of opportunistic parasocial baiting fucking subhuman garbage and they should be remembered as the treacherous vermin that they are by both sides of the conflict. Doubly so for Ren who sang at selen's birthday.


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tracking like this is fine but it needs a collection of evidence to reference back to but it is good to hold people accountable

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>>69975491
Elira
Millie
Enna
Shu
Uki
Claude

I don't wanna hear anything again how they all ended up in the same company by mere chance.
This is fucking planned and you know it.
You know why workplaces arent supposed to do this shit?
Cause now you have 6 people/friends who will just parrot another, who most likely can outvote and outopinion a lot of stuff. Especially if more people join.
This is the kind of shit where one person can make up any BS and the others will support it out of obligation to your friend and WAIT A MINUTE.

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>>69996423
Being whipped into it isn't the same as eagerly participating in it. Not enough information as of right now. Though considering Meloco avoids Elira like the fucking plague, we have some hints.

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>>69995368
>tumblr 4th wave feminist vtweeter
Of course she made it up, you retard.

Her PL was so hilarious that she'd be considered a giant lolcow in the early 2010s. She'd go on and on about gay literature by marginalized poc transsexuals and how it changed her life, and how this non-binary artist is great because he portrays BL sodomite mutilation in such a progressive way, and shit like that.

She is the stereotypical terminally online twitter feminist. The type of person that would signal-boost Uki because racism against white people isn't real.


That applies to a lot of members from hanamori, by the way.

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>>69996423
She is currently at the phase in the Judas Iscariot episode where the Pharisees laugh back at his attempted refund that the transaction of the 30 pieces of silver is a done deal. We all know what happens next.

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>>69993678
>>69994246
>making up shitty conspiracy theories about pomu of all people

You idiots, she's one of the few who's NOT an evil clique member. Remember, she didn't participate in the "I LOVE MY NIJI FAMILY" twitter shitshow.

She's more like the mediator who tried to keep things together, and once she's gone the EN branch fell apart.

And of course she staying out of the Niji vs Doki stuff. She'd rather not go down that rabbit hole by involving helself into the drama and instead just do her own thing.

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>>69996739
>We all know what happens next.
She fixes the cable?

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>>69996721
>That applies to a lot of members from hanamori, by the way.

It applies to most ENvtubers if we're being honest, including Holo. It's why JP corpos initially expanding overseas was met with so much hesitancy.

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>>69995666
I don’t know much but I would say that shu wouldn’t bully people himself but just let it happen in front of him, and luca would be like “works on my machine” kind of guy.

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>>69996588
lmao this was their plan all along, to tank the rep so hard that ac can't fire them all at once without killing the company the clique has won

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>>69996525
If that’s all of your argument it is kinda weak.
Needs more evidence.

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>>69997183
anon its a joke jfc

why did the chicken cross the road
>WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES IT WAS A ROAD???

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>>69996831
I think it may be even more than that, with the other three being openly aggressive for kicks, I wouldnt be surprised if pomu balanced elira towards being more tame and less corrupt, and that why it got so much worse so quickly after pomu put in for graduation. Even if youre elira and youre the queen bee, youre not just looking into the abyss of the darkness that surrounds you, it looks back at you too and that has an effect, snakes eat their own if you dont feed them. if she really is a narc, what pomu thought of her was probably really important to her. it didnt make her a better person, just meant she had incentive to hide it. This is also why she kept a clean image until she was exposed by LK, how shes perceived is clearly important to her.

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>>69995666
>nina
>pressured
She still visited them after getting out, she is a clique member

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>>69997367
I take my rrats very seriously

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God I hope she got hit with a >Hi Elira

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>>69997432
She’s a very sociable person. She was the first one to get bullied by the clique for all we know.

[Anonymous No.]

Pomu status? Is she still to be trusted?

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>>69997743
The fact she jumped ship speaks for itself.

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I am kinda dissappointed that not one single organ has leaked comprimising audio. Imagine the shitstorm it would cause if they just started a thread here
"Let people graduate when they want to with out penalties or I will release more audio.
Aster_sexually_harasses_scarle.mp3"
or something like that
Easy way to get out and before you post it you send a mail to FalseEyeD that you are going to post that thread but you dont mention who you are, you just build up a rapport with him so he can shill your debut when you get out.

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>>69987411
Is every single one of you fucking /here/? Jfc

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>>69997972
?

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>>69996525
Hex is obviously a cunt, but I don't know just how sociopathic he is compared to others.

He raided Shylily out of the blue, even though the latter had streamed with Dokibird the other day. It's obvious he did it to force her to make a statement, ie thanking him for the raid, which would mean she is on good terms with him and by extension nijisanji.


It was so duplicitous and effeminate that I was awestruck. I know fags will be fags, but this is a new low.

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>>69996588
Is Shu the most whipped and pathetic man of all time? Dude is willing to throw his life away for a bitchy and extremely average looking white Canadian girl.

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>>69997020
The fact that HoloEN went with generally safe picks is a miracle in itself. If Elira made it into HoloEN then the branch would have actually have had its reputation ruined beyond repair, at least if NijiEN is any indication.

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>>69997504
no you are right gentle anon i thought you were talking about a different post its my mistake.

Can't provide additional support but I'd think past and future scandals would support the pattern.
Numerous livers just retweeted without comment so there was no mandate on comments.
Livers and their communities benefit by not mentioning the posts then can discuss the issue in member stream where niji is stronger to provide niji support.

There could be more hard evidence but the remarks are initially misleading went unclarified and were ultimately walked back. It could be that they even intended to leave and potentially found out they couldn't but even if that was the case there's no need to support management and the statement. Additionally both comments were made with this disingenuous bfe lens that's just gross and retarded especially in a serious situation like this

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>>69994161
If I'm being real, the fact that so few ex-niji people are willing to speak up in Doki's defense is kind of concerning...

Especially with all of them meeting up in person these days. Yugo was the only one.

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>>69998421
actual retard

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>>69998421
the fact that you're such a stupid bitch is kind of concerning... fuck off Millie

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>>69998421
>"Why doesn't she just, like, get herself involved in a big legal matter that has nothing to do with her?"
lmao

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>>69998421
>Literally asked by Doki to not raise problems.
>Literally seething again that all the shit is being raised only and exclusively by Niji not able to handle their own shit.

You are not being real, you are going "I'm not dead which means I've won" after shooting both your legs off. People are just tired to deal with your retardness.

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>>69998421
you chink fujoshis are hilarious, please keep posting.
It's entertaining and further fuels my misogyny and conviction that women are functionally retarded and should be treated as barely above cattle.

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>>69998421
why would they though?
if they do, theyll be called a grifter, theyll have to deal with a huge influx of shortterm viewers into their community that may piss off your actual audience, then theres the possible NDA things and the likelihood of getting smeared by NDF.
Like, the main reason doki ended up getting out of this is because it didnt rely on her telling the truth because what happened was so onesided. But it also helps a lot that she has no skeletons in her closet at all. smearing her successfully is almost impossible because of her being the victim and her actually making no mistakes, instead being a good person trying to move on.
I dont think most people would get away without encountering a lot of hate and taking a risk by overtly taking a side. I also assume that whoever was still friends with dokibird and in niji or exniji, was probably told by doki to keep their heads out of the firing line after it became clear how massively overwhelming her victory would be anyway. It genuinely seems like the worst thing in her mind would be if someone would end up getting hurt taking her side in public, I think shes the type to get rly sad about that.
I wonder if these people will end up talking about this in a year or two though, like when the war is over and stuff.

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>>69998421
it is concerning but ultimately there's so much we don't know its fun to larp about leakers and management but we don't really know anything, where they have more info. The reality is it's probably a complex situation where they're all talking in private except for doki and all/most of niji but honestly some of them might have talked or might still talk.

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>>69995791
>>69996133
Adding more info to this - do note that it's ALL speculation and vague hints, but well, what else do we have to go on lol
> Largest male sub count after Luxiem (and after Selen's termination and the resultant sub drop, he's the liver with the largest sub count past Luxiem period) so he's got the biggest target on his back for the clique to be petty about, especially since this means he's doing better than Uki, fellow wavemate and confirmed clique member
> Worked very hard to learn passable Japanese and networked over on the NijiJP side of things, so if there's any truth to the translation gurrat he could be considered a threat to that (also seemed genuinely upset when Yugo was grad-fired)
> Has a very wide collab net, to the point he managed to score NijiEN's first ever collab with Holo, even ahead of the prophesized Kiara/Pomu collab that they were begging for for years, so he actually has some decent social power outside of NijiEN
> Despite this collab net, he hasn't collabed with any of the Main Three people suspected as the head of the clique (Elira, Enna, Millie) in over half a year. His other collabs are fairly scattered and harder to pin down any patterns, but that stuck out to me. (At least by my half-assed research checking all their channels, I might have missed one admittedly)
> Seemed to be one of the people along with Selen who generally wanted full "Niji Unity", but also tends to stay in his own lane...almost as if he's just keeping his head down and trying to do his job without making anyone mad - which, as the biggest male liver outside of Luxiem, you'd think he'd have a more prominent impression, but he doesn't.

Again, as is obvious by reading these, it's all VERY flimsy and just "vibes". But that's pretty much what exists, and imo it's equally a tell that there isn't anything known about him being slimy, unlike the others. Unless he just has insanely good opsec, which I'd kneel to at this point because that'd put him at at least 75% more competent at PR than his entire company.

[Anonymous No.]

You know, it's this why I know NijiEN has no hope.

Entire threads where normal people tried to talk about "how they could get out of this mess" but the Nijisis can only scream "leave them alone! Doki of course did something even if they did everything themselves".

They are delusional as their fans and normies are not gonna buy their nonsense they tried to sell already twice.

Wanna save your company? Get to that, stop thinking your small brain can break a wall by slamming it on it.

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>>69996122
>/b/omu
QRD?

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>>69992900
>Imagine being 30+ years old and become the pet of a mean girls club that kicked you out at the beginning.
Hot...

[Anonymous No.]

In this thread there are clique members who lack the foresight to believe there will ever be an other Zaion or Selen. Just continue being as shitty as before and it will all work out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69996122
Ah, yes, why don't we judge people based on shit they did 10-15 years ago. Shut up ESL-kun

[Anonymous No.]

>>69999346
Have you met bullies in real life... they don't stop until you beat them up

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>>69998477
>>69998616
>>69998720
>>69998737
>>69998832

Half of this thread is people shitting on Nina. I don't get why she doesn't get shit on for not saying anything about Doki. It just makes no sense.

Pomu I get. She's super nonconfrontational, and has avoided talking about V-tubers almost all together since she left.

Mysta's only comment could be read as for or against Niji, depending on how you look at it.

Fuck Nijisanji. What was done to Doki was absolute horse shit, but the people that would have actually seen it happening with their own eyes refuse to say anything, but because they left the company they get a pass. It's just fucking weird.

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>>69997035
my guy, shu literally followed elira from pl to niji. he's a simp who was passive-aggressive towards doppio on their first on-stream interaction bc doppio could make elira laugh.

he's also actually fluent in both spoken and written jp, so i wouldnt be surprised if he's involved deeper into the en-jp management bridge thing. wouldn't trust that guy at all.

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>>69998421
If anything it makes you wonder if either NijiEN is full of that many greedy, self-centered people, or if the clique is that petty that a simple positive acknowledgement of Selen's contributions would result in friendships being ruined overnight. As in, they'd release any personal information about you to the sisters on the doxxsite immediately, release any unflattering pictures and stories about your past to the public, or generally try to make your life as miserable as possible since you're now an "enemy".
Because ex-talents not reaching out to Doki doesn't seem to be a Doki problem, since the talents don't seem to have any ammo to use against her. After nearly a month the most sisters can say is "She is diagnosed with BDP so you cannot trust anything she says ever", or "Well...MAYBE Selen was in the right, but she overreacted!". The most the talents may even be able to say is that she was just a perfectionist, and she just became a pain in the butt due to putting in a lot more work than any of them, to a point where JP is probably now asking "how come you guys working as hard as Selen"?.

That's not even getting to the fact that tons of artists before, during and after her time in NijiEN seem to have plenty of positive things to say about her. Meanwhile, people like Shoto were starting to distance themselves from NijiEN last year.

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>>69996122
>Pomu raped and killed the entirety of AKB48’s 16-member Team B behind an Arby’s in the sweltering summer of 2006

Don’t care. Love me Pommers. Simple as.

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>>69998421
Because everyone LOVES getting involved in drama

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>>69999455
I'm honestly hoping they keep trying. This would eventually open doki up to releasing the full document in response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69999488
how in the hell could anybody possibly read kuro's tweets as being for niji

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>>69987411
>It was a topic even back in the hanamori days.
>Pomu is an accommodating and confrontation-averse person
This is all you need to know about this cope, pomu is a sycophant.

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>>69999488
Nina and Selen were not close. You can watch their last interaction on Nina's graduation stream to see that. In contrast, Nina is friends with many of the accused parties.
She is probably conflicted about it and has decided to just keep away from the whole situation. It's a disappointing move, but I don't think I'd call it malicious.

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>>69999488
>Half of this thread is people shitting on Nina. I don't get why she doesn't get shit on for not saying anything about Doki. It just makes no sense.
If you watch Nina's graduation, during Selen's call-in part, you'd know that the two of them weren't close. Why would she say anything about someone she wasn't close with, doesn't know much about, and has an incomplete picture of what happened? Best to just not get yourself involved if you aren't part of the problem.

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>>69999667
this dude knows what's up pomu is a swell guy

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>>69999660
My rrat is that there exists a blacklist and people don't want to go on it. It's why people still avoid Sayu.

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>>69999396
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO POMU IS A GOOD PERSON PLEASE IGNORE ALL THE DRAMA SHE GOT INTO BY BEING A SNAKE RIGGING CONTESTS SO SHE GETS FREE TRIPS TO JAPAN AND CHEATS HER WAY INTO AN IDOL GROUP
the /b/omu shit was way older than that and you fags couldn't stop seething or seething jacking off to it

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>>69992900
You think they strap-on gangbanged her after, as punishment? God that’s hot. You win this round yurifags.

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>>69997432
more like she's accept the bully and try to blend in back when people were not suspicious of how terrible the clique is. as the result, she's on an okay term with them thanks to her effort and tolerance

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>>69999302
the qrd would get the poster banned for 3days and the post deleted.
So make your own reps.

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>>69999302
She posted her tits on /b/ for attention. I don't remember where the pics are stored now so someone else would have to link 'em for you, but her face was visible, and her face and voice are both in an ad for a con, so everything ties together.

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>>69987411
I hope you're doing well in Japan, and that none of this shitfest has gotten you down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69999240
Now this is something I can put more trust in than just he is being bullied. I'm gonna be honest, I haven't heard a bad thing about him ever, so I can believe he isn't in the clique.

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>>69996122
most people that are actually /here/ and have been /here/ all summer know about the /cgl/ arc but choose not to bring it up

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>>70000027
Sounds like jealous seagulls seething about her winning. Also she never joined an idol group so sounds like they have incorrect information as well.

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>>69999240
Also, remember who Nina was collabing with when she brought up the secret Ethyria group chat she was not a part of. Alban might fly under the radar but he has always been a POI when it comes to understanding how the clique operates.

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>>69997035
Shu is such a petty faggot that unfollowed, blocked and unmodded a person for following Dokibird on twitter.

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>>70000027
Oh, cool. So let's judge people based on shit they did 20 years ago. Shut up faggot, the only thing you're proving here is that you're some 20 year old retard and have no idea how people grow up. She also never joined an idol group so you're clearly smoking some half baked info here.

When the fuck did I say she was a good person? Never anywhere in that did I say she was a good person. You ESL retards really need to take some sort of reading test to be able to post on here you subhuman fuck.

What I'm saying is, shut the fuck up Elira, no one fucking cares. People fuck up, people are stupid shitheads 20 years ago, they live and grow.

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>>69998421
>pomu is hiding and on vacation
>Kuro and Matara are in a corp that doesn't want bad blood with another big corp
>Sayu supported her
>Yugo supported her

What are you expecting exactly?

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>>69999969
I can believe that rrat. But I’d assume it would only be a JP vtubing company-wide blacklist at most, because companies are more open to working with Doki and Sayu now than ever.

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>>70000027
Quit pushing this ancient shit and touch grass.

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>>70000000

[Anonymous No.]

Posting more Elira rrats on /vt/? Really, OP? Do you know what happens to people who keep posting more Elira rrats on /vt/?!

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>>69999735
it's really the same result with the difference being whether the bootlicking is malicious or because of fear.

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>>69992900
In the beginning it seemed like they tried to make it work, but by December 2021 Nina figured out that she didn't need her wave to find success within niji. I still think Nina has always been a shitty person, but her brand of shittiness was different than the other girls in niji at the time.

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>>69995666
>Doppio hard cleared
>Vanta confirmed in cahoots
I like these guys but I’m gainfully employed and can’t keep up with all this. Reasoning behind each?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69999289
Nijifans think they're Doctor Who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl9pTDK8PAk

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>>70001199
>Needed to die a billion time to do that.

I mean, if they accept the company has to die for that, be my guest.

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>>70000561
I don't think even in Japan Nijisanji has enough reach to stop EA or Konami from doing whatever they like, I think the blacklist is more focused on the Vtuber scene. As in they can put someone on a blacklist and Hololive and Vshojo will avoid them, which is enough to seriously damage any former talent's indy career. I don't think they have reach into OTK/Mythic yet.

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>>70000505
People still give my uncle shit for things he did 80 years ago so your little number game means nothing to me.

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>>69993655
That literally looks like loli Kronii

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>>70000518
>Kuro and Matara are in a corp that doesn't want bad blood with another big corp
Ironmouse has literally said that the only reason she doesn't get vocal about drama in the vtubing space is because she's in a corpo. Corpo money must be very powerful to get a latina to shut the hell up.

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>>69993655
She become drunk on power.

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>>70001349
Sounds like a You problem. Most people don't hold inconsequential things someone did 10+ years against them when it's clear they've changed. (if they were even true to begin with)

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>>69998187
As much as I like Kronii, she comes from the same vein. Cover simply has good tardwranglers.

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>>70001291
Companies are not gonna ban anyone from buying and publicizing their shit unless they feel a true net negative.

Especially considering the permission is given to Anycolor, which means both JP and EN. And JP is not a net negative.

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>>70000027
Don’t you realize you can’t judge people based on their past behavior?! You can only judge them based on what they say and do now, and if they say they changed THEY CHANGED! End of story.

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>>69995666
The clique its Elira, Enna, Millie and Reimu + Some members of Luxiem (Like Vox)

The other members may get along well with them but have no influence on decisions

For example:

Pomu: At least Yellow. Shes not part of it only because shes an Elephant, however she gets along well with them

Selen: Yellow, they ditch her.

Kyo: Yellow, he is Enna accesory

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>>70000505
Turns out Elira is a great person and we should judge her for becoming a mean girls years ago ):<

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>>69975269
Remember that Elira is a proven psychopath at this point and the problematic ones are known to abuse animals. We laughed about her raccoons talks before but, now that we know she's psycho, how can we be sure she didn't torture raccoons for pleasure? These talks seem awfully specific. How did she know? Did she experiment? Did she suffocate raccoons to death? And she didn't just mention raccoons only once. Is it like the Uki situation where being obssessed with something says a lot about her?
https://youtu.be/h5MN187rhs8?si=ol5EJojmpPbsoazh

[Anonymous No.]

>least obvious seething seagull getting her panties in a bundle that nobody cares about their catfight from 10+ years ago

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>>70001758
>Kyo: Yellow, he is Enna accesory

Bullshit, he shat on Zaion when she was getting doxxed and sent death threats. Also he's the only nijisanji member connected to Daph39, and she was used as an outside influencer to shit on Doki as per their plans to garner support from other creators and streamers. They leaked critical details to her and we know they had separate documents because of her chatty mouth.

Kyo is a fucking snake and a clique member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70001349
>80 years ago
>1940s
hmm.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>70001199
>Twelfth Doctor clip
You're pretty alright, anon.

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>>70001508
>Most people don't hold inconsequential things someone did 10+ years against them.
Nta but are you new to the internet or life ?

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>>70001508
We still charge 100 year old nazis for crimes they committed almost a century ago, anon’s uncle included. I don’t care what you say sister, never forgive, never forget. I’m not going to fall for some backstabbing whore just because she claims to be different now.

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>>70002095
I'm just looking at what happened. Nobody seems to care about the /b/ pics. There was no "cancellation campaign" against her when that bombshell dropped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70002083
>Personally, I think that's a hell of a bird.

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>>70002296
>allegedly cheating in a contest to win a free trip, vs. literally committing war crimes
Is this the level you need to stoop to, sister? Are you really that salty that she won? kek nobody is going to listen to you now

[Anonymous No.]

>>70002495

>*hitler ate sugar, you wanna who else ate sugar? Doki*

Nijisisters are a mental illness

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>>70002317
Anons want the pics to fap to her not cancel her you really are new huh.

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>>69998187
Did you miss the recent Kronii stream where she fantasized about beating up, crying, and falsely accusing some rando male? It’s not that the girls are different, it’s that they are actually wrangled and never get the power they desire. Mori would have invited all her fleshstreamer friends to tear down hololive if she could have. If Kiara could be the shadow manager of EN she would.

The reality is these women don’t yab because holo knows what they are doing and keep the girls well paid, happy, and out of control. And they know that they are all expendable at the end of the day. The clique thinks they are untouchable, and they might be right.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Elira is pretty shitty and stupid but clique conspiracies are very weird. Even if we (rightfully) assume Niji was too cheap to hire actual managers I think a lot of the current situation is a result of them not being smart or organized shadowy figures.

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>>70002808
Doesn't explain why Nijisisters didn't use it to cancel a "Holo-lite" girl.
Or maybe it's because it was an inconsequential thing from 10+ years ago that most people wouldn't care about.

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>>70003101
That bombshell WAS their attempt to cancel her. They just didn't anticipate people wouldn't actually care. Not about the pics, not about the cgl gossip, nothing.

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>>70001973
shes not a psychopath. she probably does have empathy, shes just able to turn it off when it suits her, shes a lot more likely to be a classic narc than a serial killer in waiting. In fact, if LK is to be believed, Elira was actually really scared by dokis suicide attempts, she didnt want her dead, just out.
also, most victims of childhood abuse that develop certain mental problems, like cptsd type 1 or bpd, are prone to torturing animals when young. its a REALLY shitty way of dealing with things, but its not necessarily related to being a psychopath or just being cruel for the sake of it (though it can be) and more likely to be related to an obsession with power dynamics.

>>70002013
can I get more info on kyo? I barely know anything about him

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>>70002987
the clique is real and the damage its done is also real. the only thing up in the air is the severity of the damage done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70002808
Why would we even cancel someone for ruining their own life, unlike Elira Pomu's ordeals only affect herself

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>>70003393
>Elira was actually really scared by dokis suicide attempts
she was only scared because successful attempt would end her career, not because she was worried for selen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69987411
The Antarctica trip was Pomu's Shadow Moses Incident. She was sent in to defuse the Clique and Selen situation but ended being used by the Patriots to activate FOXDIE.

BRAVO KOJIMA

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>>70004502
>she was only scared because successful attempt would end her career
How so? If she was successful, Nijisanji wouldn't have released that termination notice. They would instead put out a "We regret to inform everyone that..." statement instead. No list of infractions, no black screen stream, etc.

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>>70004786
you simply cannot sweep something like that under the rug

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>>69995666
>Nina
>yellow
Holy shit anon. This is bitch left the clique and niji hellhole and then afterwards met up with clique members. That's like a fugitive slave going back to the plantation to greet the slave owner and have a nice cup of tea with him while watching his fellow niggers get whipped. HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU??? SHE IS PART OF THE CLIQUE!!!!

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>>70004502
Ironically if she had succeeded we probably would've never know about Elira and the bullying unless someone else broke and revealed everything in spite of getting blacklisted, and that is assuming we would've believed them.

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>>70001973
>These talks seem awfully specific. How did she know? Did she experiment? Did she suffocate raccoons to death?

anon you're fucking retarded this shit is literally a normie tier meme popularized with marvel when people were talking about ant man and rocket going up thanos' ass. What if she killed coons what if she smothered them. We can see you only care about coons because you're such a dumb nigger

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>>70004786
>Selen an heroes
>Niji still does a Zaion on her corpse and says we should be happy she's gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>70001185
Doppio does not participate in Elira's shit and he also follows Sayu/Zaion on his personal Twitter.
No idea about Vanta, I usually don't concern myself with guys.

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>>70002035
Yeah, he crapped his pants when he was a toddler. They had to deal with his shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I need more drama from NijiEN, I'm bored already with the information we have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005017
There would be no need for Nijisanji to "attack back" when that person is dead.

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>>70004502
oh Im not saying she was worried about selen, just that killing her wasnt the plan.

>>70004786
Idk, its probably likely that other people inside the corpo know, also, if the parents ask police and courts send a show logs manage to discord, discord is going to show logs. With the posts Selen made towards her artists around the time the cup of coffee controversy happened, thered be a lot of voices demanding an investigation.

>>70004912
someone came forward in december and has outed Eliras management. You could make the argument that they were only believed because they were able to leak big things that were impossible to guess with such accuracy, but niji is still a very tumblrina space. even the antidoki people now arent daring to make fun of suicide in front of the others, according to one of the leakers. if she had actually died, things would probably be a lot worse.

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>>70004502
If Elira's a narc (clinical level) whose self esteem is partially or largely based on being a friendly, 'good person', suicide is one line I can imagine she'd flinch away from because it's a testimony that she's so unbearable it gets people killed. There just isn't a way to spin it, personally or professionally, without entering a deeper level of narc hell that kills the little voice saying 'I probably shouldn't bully people to suicide'. Of course the primary concern is how to get out of the ensuing fallout unharmed and make sure people don't KNOW it was her, but there's still ego damage. I imagine she's furious at Doki and wants to write the attempts off as Doki being unreasonably volatile due to BPD but that's not a good consolation either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005048
Thanks anon. It is interesting looking at how hard she tried to neg his chuuni act in the NKODice collab with these new revelations

[Anonymous No.]

>>70001185
Doppio's PL follows Doki and/or Sayu iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>70001185
The leaker seemed to like Doppio, even though he stated he doesn't really know him that well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70004874
She was literally bullied by the clique from day one and she also graduated just to change companies.
Explain this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005105
>Finana was /here/ and got mad when anons genuinely said what they think about her (most were sad that she pushed them away)
>Uki did some racist shit again (just wait a day or two and this will happen he's not just a disgusting person, but also a lolcow at this point)
>Pomu was actively sabotaged by Elira who took her 3D for herself and cancelled the Metal Gear collab (old news, but I'm just so mad about how she treated someone who once considered her to be a friend)
Most that got out are professional enough to not get dragged into more drama. Doki herself aims to cool down the situation. If Anycolor didn't take over each and every liver's social media accounts at this point, they just ask for those retards to escalate the situation further against themselves.

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>>70005220
there wasn't need to attack back even where we are now, they did it out of pettiness. Even though a lot of us agreed they were shitty to her pre-cup of coffe, if they had just terminated her professionally after her little "just reupload my MV with dodgy permissions" we would've just gone "of course they'd terminate her, glad she's free now though" and we would've stayed in the dark about everything else

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>>69997432
Battered wife syndrome if anything
Nina is so comically dumb that she very likely never pieced together that they kept her around as a punching bag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005425
LK or the other one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69975269
it kills me that this is kinda shit NijiEN has to deal with, while Pekora has to deal with people thinking her monkey is dead

[Anonymous No.]

what was the black screen stream. I seemed to have missed that drama while traveling for a family members funeral.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005594
Explains why she's still chummy with her bullies then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005324
Doppio solidified himself as an absolute dumbass dork in that stream and I love him for it, niji's a waste of his acting talent honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005740
Watch it yourself, it's still up on her channel and only 15 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005740
check out last video on eliras youtube channel anon.

>>70005728
a fucking monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005740
Just watch this with what you know and think if this was even remotely a good idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4
Here's Doki's reaction in real time to that.
https://youtu.be/A1YCUbQOJB0?t=445
Also here's Riku's video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7zaTpwP8DQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005728
Monkey tried to feign death so he could infiltrate nijiEN's, but Peko keeps interfering

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005892
>>70005903
Ah thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005903
Did Pekora ever understand we say "fucking monkey" just because it sounds funny and not actually trying to insult her and her pet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70006013
you better tell us your opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005660
The other one.
LK only ever made a couple of posts, the other leaker that has made a lot of revelations never used the LK alias

[Anonymous No.]

>>70005838
She made up with them somehow, but the bullying was documented. If you watched nina you would know.
And if they were in such good terms then why did she leave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70006110
I’ll have to watch it tomorrow night
Doing funeral after parties for the rest of the day but browsing 4chan because I don’t know any of these people.
But can’t exactly watch a stream right now

I’ll make a thread tomorrow night with a Yuri related image of selen and finana along with my opinion if you’re curious.
Expect it in around 28-30 hours

I haven’t been keeping up with the drama since selen got fired

[Anonymous No.]

>>70004308

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>>70006469
I'll look forward to it, and expect the most lukewarm NDF victim blaming bullshit imaginable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70006689
I don’t particularly care for nijisanji anymore
If anyone has the memory, I was probably one of the biggest spergs after the pomu finana off collab. At the time I still liked selen and somewhat enna, but enna quickly ruined herself for me and I hated how many men were on Selens stream so I eventually dropped her too but thought she was fine, just not for me.

These days I just dable in the rare small art vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>Pomu graduates and keeps living her life without even mentioning vtubing
>Faggots keep making convoluted character assassinations every single day
Every time I go into a thread about Elira/Niji/Dokibird/Sayu/Vshojo theres posts about how she is for or against everything and this is x reason why. Cant you just accept that she hasnt said shit about anything and leave her out of this, she isnt even a vtuber anymore

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder HoloEN has a blacklist for schizo artists amongst themselves. 100% Mumei told everyone in EN about the clique and who bullied Selen.

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>>70006402
LK posted going back weeks and actually was the main force during the threads regarding gurrat. when he made multiple posts that night though, he didnt always include the alias.
I think leaker-san (the other one) only posted after that. I think I know who this one is as well, I dont know anything about doppio though so I mightve missed that, why do you think its him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70006915
And the Nerissa played Lethal Company with Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70006915
Wait Moom is based?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007171
The leaker explained he was the leaker behind the gurrat, dude. But he stated he never used the LK alias himself. Other anons called him that, because there was someone that had leaked stuff under that alias in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007174
Wait Rissa is cringe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007197
moom took time off to help and be with doki when she was miserable, before everything got public but around the time of the attempts.
seems based to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007281 (me)
He even elaborated on which posts he'd made about rosemi, he also confirmed that earlier posts (from the threads that later on became gurrat threads) were indeed him, and how he'd already elaborated on some details (I forget what) on an early gurrat thread.


It's basically confirmed the leaker is the one that guided the gurrat threads, whereas the LK poster was the one that had posted about the terminations/graduations and the estimated dates (way back before the drama had even started).

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007285
You can tell that after watching her for 5 seconds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007285
keep in mind selen was supposed to be in this collab and not ollie before the shit hit the fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>70007281
so leaker-san showed up shortly after LK was giving anons hints during the gurrat thread, and then became the driving force behind it?
I dont have the best memory, but I was in thread and I talked to what I thought was LK, asked questions, and added my theories. Im also one of the anons that talked to leaker-san last time they posted. I barely sleep these days because of a chronic illness thing though, so I might misremember, or have misunderstood something at some point. being awake 40hrs everyday is not healthy, I thought I had seen all posts attributed to either leaker, but I didnt see where leaker san allegedly confirmed that. do you remember the date or thread?

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>>70007633
The only confirmed LK posts are the posts where the poster signed with -LK. The last one iirc was the post about graduations and terminations (back in december?). Another one I remember was about the leaks of the Krysis models.

The person that leaked stuff the other day is the same person that guided the gurrat threads.

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>>69983204
>Even has warosu bookmarked
Holy fuck we are in these bitches heads kek

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>>70007585
Does beg the question, if Selen was willing to participate in a collab with Reimu so near her breaking point and presumably only missed it because of hospitalization, wouldn't that mean it wasn't one of those mandated collabs and that she got somewhat along with Reimu, maybe even placing Reimu outside the clique?

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>>69999396
Elira was the same. People like that don’t change or grow up. I’m sorry

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>>70007930
She also still communicated with the others in the shit group because she’s a good girl who wanted to do a good job

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>>70007929
>Elira was the same.
Not really.

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>>70007930
It was when she realized nobody cared about her that she wanted to an hero
That's why she wanted to die on her MV hill

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>>70007822 (me)

For all we know, they are the same person.
I personally believe LK and the leaker are the same person. LK's posts were never lengthy enough to be able to produce confident results in the plagiarism software I use, so I can't really tell, but it makes sense in my head that they are the same person.


I'm the anon that's been using Sherlock with Llama 2.0 large language model to determine the authenticity of the leaker's posts. I am pretty confident I got all of them, plus some posts in other threads that have 95+ CI.
Actually, I am going to spill the fucking beans right now. This poster>>69987411
is likely the leaker. The software thinks it's the same poster.

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>>69995666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7zLTBrneb8

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>>70007930
Honestly it still could be that Selen was at a professional standing with everyone and it's just the work culture that was the problem. Rrats are fun, but until proven they're rrats.

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>>69998138
Oooh... Yeah, I think Hex is clique but looking at the way he did this he's actually kind of smart which is scary

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>>70008188
LK is Pomu???

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>>70005615
When was Finana here?!

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>>70008188
I mean yeah your probably right. You need a database of mucho texto to work off of I assume. Probably wouldn't work on a regular length post

[Anonymous No.]

>>69993056
plusses enna and millie

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>>70007822
>The person that leaked stuff the other day is the same person that guided the gurrat threads.

but I literally asked leaker-san a question about something LK said (unsigned) in the gurrat thread and they said they dont know why LK said that. I now figured out what it meant, and leaker-san probably knows but cant say for obvious reasons.

LK definitely posted in january and february. leaking selens second attempt on the day it happened, and weeks before she confirmed it after the blackstream is why he as a leaker has so much credit, cause this couldnt easily be guessed.

I think leaker-san only started leaking (or at least to the point where I noticed) after I asked LK a certain question.

>>70008188
I dont think theyre the same person, it would be possible, but I doubt it.

I agree with your program. That post has a very similar style of posting to leaker-san.

any chance we can compare notes off board somewhere? Im really interested in seeing those posts and what your program would think if we removed the posts that I think are LK.

>>70008446
its either leaker-san or pomu. cant be both.

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>>70007930
It's pretty common for people to go "ugh I can't stand XX" behind closed doors, but then behave friendly to XX in person because it's not worth the drama. In this case it might also depend on who organised the collab, too

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>>69997847
You really don't think they would pretend is AI generated and cry about being slandered by antis? the people still supporting them by now will go to any lengths to keep the facade up.

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>>70008695
>unsigned
I don't consider anything unsigned to be LK. I consider only signed posts to be LK posts.
Every other leak post is Leaker-san post, in my opinion.
That's just how I conduct my heuristics.
But I simultaneously believe they are likely the same person, but I can't substantiate that.

https://github.com/diogocabral/sherlock
https://llama.meta.com/llama-downloads


It's not too difficult to set-up. Use the usual 80:20 training:testing process. Make sure to use the initial sherlock release to be able to fork it and inject LLMs.

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>>70008446
LK is probably da wose
If she was one of the people who asked Selen to graduate she is likely motivated by guilt. She has been here b4

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>>70008459
https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/69903335/
The Pomu sabotage in the comment is a rrat but everything else kinda checks out.

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>>69997611
Yes.

>>70000139
She isn't simply on okay terms. She actively participates in clique activities despite no longer being in Nijisanji. There's nothing pressuring her to do that. Truth is, she simply likes the clique. As long as she isn't on receiving end of the bullying, she's happy to surround herself with awful people.

>>70005655
Nah. Nina is very smart and cunning. She was bullied initially but she figured out how to join the clique, climbed the social ladder and left the company once it was no longer advantageous to her.

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>>70009032
Unless she's like the best actor ever, I think she comes off as the type that'd probably be driven to feeling like killing herself if she thought she drove someone to that extreme, even tangentially.

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>>70000449
yikes who?
I only know he was quick to delete her off his page

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>>70000911
we sleep well <3

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>>70008459
Yesterday: >>69907378
It's speculated that this post was made by Finana because it defended her by using the first person and also had her speech patterns. Take it with a grain of salt, it could be someone larping as her to get easy (you)s.

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>>69995666
Can I get a bit of spoonfeeding on how much Fulgur and Claude have to do with the clique? Fulgur seem like a nice guy in general. Claude seems really nice in his past life even if he knew Elira. I'd be a tad devestated if they were bad people...

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>>70009182
She probably expected a last graduation stream to say goodbye.
She probably accepts losing 500k and the Hyte deal as karmic punishment

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>>70005594
Extremely simple. She figured out how to join the clique and embraced it. She was already a part of it after a couple of months. She left the company not because of clique but for better management and higher money cuts. She still has good relationship with clique.

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>>70009324
>Bulgur
generally accepted to be a good guy
>Claude
clique member

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>>69976647
>Also if Pomu didn't bring Elira, she won't get the perms for her final MV in
So... a literal bribe to get the MV? well it does make a lot of sense...

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>>70009302
It's her with an over 80 confidence interval.
I used youtube transcripts of 4 streams to train the model.
Granted, training the model on oral language in order to determine written language is not very conclusive.

Take with a grain of salt. I am inexperienced on how it works when it comes to transcripts of speech.

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>>70009492
If she was part of the clique, she would have gotten better management and higher money cuts, and therefor wouldn't have seen the need to leave.

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>>69995666
Why did you put Fulgur in yellow? I don't remember him doing anything bad. He always stayed out of drama. He's also the one who kept in contact with Scarle and assured us she was safe when everybody was worried.

Nina has to be changed to purple and I don't see reason why Ike isn't purple either.
Why Aia in purple? Don't know anything about her.

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>>70009026
anon Im not smart enough for that stuff, technology is too much for me, I cant even fix my own PC. Im also way too ill to do stuff like this myself.

>Every other leak post is Leaker-san post, in my opinion.
so if LK makes a signed post, someone asks a question and LK responds without signing you consider it to be leaker-san? in my opinion, those two have very different styles of writing and conveying information. If you mix their posts, the results are going to be off by a lot.
Id really like to see the leaker-san post that claimed early gurrat involvement though.
if you wanna talk offboard somewhere, Ill help you unfuck stuff if youd like.

>>70009142
anon...

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>>70009324
Fulgur is in the ''Chuunisanji'' FF guild along with other members like Elira and Millie. Don't have the screenshot at the moment, maybe someone else can post it.
In Claude's case, he was friends with Elira from their Hanamori days.

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>>70009651
>Fulgur
He's very close to everyone in the clique, that's at least a little suspicious.

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>>70009632
No. You're so fucking wrong lmao. Nobody in Niji EN has good management, not even the clique. The whole reason why clique exists is because there's no proper management. Clique members are just fine being big fish in small pond, they don't have ambitions other than ruling their own peers.
Nobody in Niji can have cuts as good as in Vshojo.

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>>70009594
I just hope she got the message, anons really want her to be great and do well, but what do you expect from a streamer that doesn't even have the decency to respect her own audience
>>70009585
isn't Elira such a great friend? :)

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>>70005017
They would get all the members to do a elira and sniffle like their crying on a black screen while unsuccessfully stifling their giggles chuckles

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>>70009706
>impying I'd ever jeopardize OPSEC
you must be new here

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>>70009753
The clique IS management. If she was part of the clique, she would have management on her side and would be able to get a bigger cut of the profits.

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>>69983389
At this point nothing is even surprising anymore, everything falls into place quite neatly, now we wait for the retarded sisters response.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69975269
>>69975491
I believe this rrat

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>>70009867
You're so fucking stupid. They're replacement of management in absence of real one. That does NOT mean they're good at managing people. They fucking suck at it. All they know is how to harass and bully. They are absolutely incompetent at actual managing and securing opportunities.

>and would be able to get a bigger cut of the profits
Retard. They have no control over finances. Nijisanji still takes the same cut from all its livers. Vshojo doesn't.

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>>70007930
she still collabed with vox ike millie reimu

but actively avoided elira and enna

I'm thinking some people were actively bullying, and some people were just enablers

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>>69982999
>>69983424

[Anonymous No.]

I love how this 300+ post thread with 130+ IPs just blindly assumes that its Elira posting the reply in the OP just because she mentioned a marshmellow (they are public, literally anyone can read all submissions)

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>>70009594
Given the track record of Nijisanji streamers being here (Reimu accidentally showing that she visits both Warosu and 4chan). It's possible that in said post, Finana really had a slip out moment and referred to herself in the first person instead of the third.

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>>70010143
Nope. It's just irrelevant to the discussion if it was her or not.

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>>70007197
She's Doki's friend IRL, they have been friends before either became vtubers

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>>70010024
Nina's issues with management weren't even the managing part, but rather the permissions part. If she was part of the clique, she would have gotten permission from Clique Management for things like the Terraria Server, but instead Clique Management denied her request. And it's not that she needed them to set it up or pay for it, she just wanted permission to do it herself.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/dearsqn/status/1761642447195746485

this tweet from dearsqn is making me think the clique is trying to exert what influence they have over her to push her into doing something

or i'm reading too far into things, but who fkn knows at this point

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>>69996831
I'll take a neutral stance here since i don't give a shit about either side but this could also be sociopath behavior since they can just choose the path that benefit them most at the end.
But without a extensive rrat with collected information it could be either way, she's nice or she's just like the others but smarter.

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>>70009852
I can respect that. I still think you should try running your system in the way I suggested if thats manageable. right now your results are off because your attribution of posts is not entirely correct in at least 2 posts (the ones where I was the anon talking to LK), and Im relatively confident that those are not the only posts.

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>>70010212
They were already Vtubers when they met, pomu was an indie in hanamori by then, and mooms was also a decent 2view.
They met in the unofficial "talent agency" discord server where all the indies network. That discord server might as well be a corpo discord though, since it's crawling with agents and corpo managers.

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>>70010274
Clique isn't mentally or technically capable of inventing permissions out of thin air. All they can do is control already existing permissions.
If Nijisanji EN as a whole has permissions for Terraria Server, clique can control who gets them or not.
If Nijisanji doesn't have permissions for Palworld, clique can't do shit about it.

In short: clique can only deny stuff. They can't provide something new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010279
There's no point in trying to discern the meaning anon, just let her be and hope she'll follow her own heart on this stuff.

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>>70010472 (me)
not pomu, mixed situations up.

Selen and mooms knew each other from that discord server. They also thought they would both end up in niji, but somehow mooms got in holo.

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>>70010498
Exactly. If she was part of the clique, there would be no reason for them to deny her request for permission to make a Terraria server. And yet, she was denied. Doesn't sound like she's part of the clique, in that case.

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>>69995666
wait why is aster purple? because he collabs with finana?

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>>70000449
i like how sisters talk about people shitting on them being fragile and then theres this

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>>70010649
You're too binary about this. Just because she was denied something doesn't mean she's not part of the clique. There could be countless reasons for that. Like whole thing being too much hassle and potentially leading to future problems they want to avoid. Think of the whole Minecraft server fiasco with Luca's mod skinwalking him to beat Pomu and then Luca shortly after nuking the whole thing.

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>>69975269
You wanna know what's funny? Mrs. Tumblrina Feminist Elira Pendora sicced her fans onto Mocca, a menhera transgirl, just because the latter had a mild disagreement with her on vtuber debuts. Women can say whatever they want, when they hate someone they'll fucking HATE them

[Anonymous No.]

>>69993655
having gone through the dumpster fire that is the indie scene she became a ruthless business lady unable to feel pity or remorse.

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>>70010728
The sisters literally included this person in their infamous "hit list", because Shu unfollowed, blocked, and unmooded them. And that means they are definitely a bad person deserving of harassment, because their virtual husband decreed it so.

Peak mental illness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69999240
I can see it. Alban is weirdly ignored by other members like how Selen was, despite his high sub count

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010649
The Terraria server might have been denied further up the chain (i.e. whoever Elira reports to) because of Japanese autism.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread tells me hiring a huge group of vtubers who were friends before joining and letting them run the shop is an extremely bad idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010926
Why? Elira is probably the one who profited the most from all of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70008348
Hex calculated his whole career to steal Vox's fanbase and in a way he won't commit the same mistakes Vox did. His streams are shitty and he has no comedic skill, but he's incredibly smart indeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010873
>I can see it. Alban is weirdly ignored by other members like how Selen was, despite his high sub count
Oh no... clique can't be that retarded right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010877
Oh true, I could definitely see the idea being canned by JP management after they saw all the other problems EN had. EN branch never received proper support and things were only getting worse with time. JP side just wanted EN to be silent cows to milk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70000449
Why would you want an enemy sympathizer being a mod on your channel though? Speaking from their perspective, it makes sense they dont want potenially rogue mods in chat

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010998
Who knows. When supervisors are inefficient, a whole workplace can indeed become "high-school politics"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69998138
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010926
They're right on that. Even if the rrats prove to be wrong, nepotism is still bad. It skips proper assessment of skills and doesn't bring enough fresh blood to a workplace

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011063
The simple fact he would consider doki an "enemy" despite doing literally nothing speaks volumes about these people.

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>>70009302
That slip could have easily been done as a false flag, but it was the posts before and after it that made it seem possible more than anything. Personally I treat such possibilities the same as with videogame "leaks": obviously they can be faked but you might as well respond to it properly because it lets you convey how you'd actually feel about the situation which may be seen by the real ones involved anyway.

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>>70010649
cliques doesn't mean everyone is equal. that especially applies to mean girl cliques. Since she was originally the only outsider in her gen who had to be beaten into submission to join the clique she was probably a bottom rung flunkie who they regularly had to keep forcing to show her loyalty.
It's probably up in the air if she stayed in the clique or if leaving niji freed her by jumping into ironmouse and melody's sphere of influence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011196
She was doing whole twitter stunts with Enna and Millie months after leaving.

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>>70011104
It is very easy to confirm yourself, sister.
Shylily shared a stream with Dokibird, and less than 24 hours later Hex raided her randomly, instead of raiding a fellow liver.
Lily was confused and appeared to not even know who Hex was initially.


People can simply watch the vod and draw their own conclusions.

[Anonymous No.]

It's absolutely hilarious reading all the fanfic shit you guys come up with. If any of you actually watched the streamers it would immediately be obvious to you that this shit is just nonsense on its face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruVzWCy6xM selen talking about meeting her manager in japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ACoVoYjY2k pomu, enna and selen interacting with management live on stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH8dyIVlvIg selen talking about how she much she liked her previous manager that got a promotion
They all have their own managers they are in personal relationships with and are in contact with all the time. Nobody in your supposed clique is managing anything. Pomu even has her actual manager dancing in her own MV. The same one she loved because she called and asked him to buy her tickets for her to MGS concerts in Japan and he did it even though he was on holiday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70010760
Pretty sure it was Lyrica/Millie who sicced her fans on Mocca, and when Mocca fired back, Nova/Elira rushed to Lyrica's defense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011355
Elira just responded once directly to some absolutely random guy who wasn't mocca or anyone significant just saying that millie had worked hard to get to where she was as an indie or something like that. It's kind of funny to see that get twisted.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the clique might be trying to use what influence they have over dearsqn to push her into doing something

or i'm just overthinking this, but who fkn knows at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011277
>instead of raiding a fellow liver.
There was no fellow liver to raid, especially since he was on Twitch, and most livers don't use Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011063
So you're saying removing mod is fine? Now make a good excuse for removing follow and blocking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011500
They said recently graduated liver, they didn't say Kyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>ndf desperately spinning narratives after the thread is about die

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still devastated, coping, in denial... There is no way I can believe Claude is in the clique. He was that good boy who was friends with Tomoya. How can he possibly be evil...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011155
Cure rat

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011500
Matara/Nina defo tried to poach her. She basically admitted to it when she commented that pomu would rather play with her toy than join her for karaoke (with the vshojo people)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011500
Considering she met with Matara in Japan and half of Vshojo is following her on Twitter, my guess is she was presented with an offer to join and she's debating between that, going indie, and who knows what else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69982999
My rrat is that Elira watched Doki's redebut stream and had immediate nam flashbacks upon seeing the tomato, which was what prompted her to do the infamous black screen video.
As another anon put it, "This shit reads like the plot of Oppenheimer"

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011614
this post is so confusing

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011773
>had immediate nam flashbacks upon seeing the tomato
Elira has bad blood with the tomato? Please explain the lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011645
get over it everyone knows he was a nepohire already

[Anonymous No.]

>>69999240
If we believe in leaker-san aswell, then we know that collabs are assigned by management. He had a lot more collabs when he wasn't a threat and now, just like Scarle, he's been isolated

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011816
They're using Pomu to influence people to attack Doki. She graduated in January (recently).

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011196
>she was probably a bottom rung flunkie
I personally doubt this. She might have started bottom of the pack, but Nina is someone who naturally occupies a higher social rung than the others in the clique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011500
ex nijis need to bow down and get in with the twitch/vshojo's cricles. They have enough clout to get invited and the indies pity ex nijis enough to want to circle the wagons against nijien. Filian jumped in doki's lap so most of them all know what the clique is like now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011827
No lore, it simply says she dislikes tomatoes. That can range from a mild dislike of tomatoes, to a hatred of tomatoes that rivals the Klan, except for tomatoes instead of black people. The latter is the funniest option, which is the one I'm going to personally believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011886
We know it's Kyo though, because he is the only liver with a connection to 39daph, and she came out with a piece defending Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70004786
In the worst timeline where the attempt was successful I can't imagine Selen not releasing the nuke on kurosanji and the clique, since, you know, there nothing to hold back if you won't be there anymore.
So that document would go to the public, the shitshow would be even stronger because a life was lost and there is nobody to silence with big corpo lawsuits so everything is clear with evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011874
lol once again you have to not watch streams to believe this shit, members literally arrange collabs on stream or suddenly start collabs or change members on the fly on stream. i dunno why you would use scarle as an example either elira is very nice to her all the time, she has raided her constantly and has included her in collabs in her a whole series of collabs on her channel, they get along really well because they both like anime boy stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011323
i see that no one took pity on you sister zhang, heres (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012001
And Pomu met with Matara, who is treating Doki as toxic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012022
In the "what if the attempt was successful" thought experiments, I've never seen it considered what her close friends like Mumei would do. I'd imagine that it'd get a lot worse if she decides to permanently retire from vtubing in that case...

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012193
>who is treating Doki as toxic
source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011827
Okay, let's take it from the top.

Elira, Enna, Millie (and even pomu later on), among other now-nijis were all part of an indie group called hanamori.

Around the same time Selen(Dokibird) was a pretty successful indie. Dokibird's first avatar was a tomato. She also had a starting stream png of a tomato in a farm. Even the fans debated being called tomatoes.

Selen was in the "indie networking" discord that pretty much all indies were in. This server was crawling with agents and hiring managers from corpos. That's where Selen first met mumei and that's when they became good friends. This is likely when Elira first came across Selen/Dokibird.

Fast forward to Obsydia debuts.

Elira edits her hanamori wiki page for her PL, citing "Tomato" as her only dislike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012193
I think Pomu and Selen grew apart way before she left NijiEN. Way back in last year they would be collabing weekly, then they basically stopped collabing mostly. Then when Pomu went to Nijifes every member of NijiEN did a drawing of themselves and Pomu was there so she was writing on the walls next to them, she wrote next to Lazulight, Petra, Enna, Sonny but not Selen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012001
Enna is also good friends with Daph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012193
She's not treating Doki as toxic, she's treating the whole situation as toxic and avoiding it.
If you watched Nina's graduation, during Selen's call-in part, you'd know that the two of them weren't close. Why would she say anything about someone she wasn't close with, doesn't know much about, and has an incomplete picture of what happened? Best to just not get yourself involved if you aren't part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012228
Pomu was never part of Hanamori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012496
She was collabing with them regularly, even if she wasn't in the group

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012431
sisters are so desperate to find "allies" that they take any examples of people staying the fuck away from this radioactive mess as a statement against doki

[Anonymous No.]

>it's possible that ex clique nijis are or have joined vshojo
oh boy. the rot is going to spread until Hololive as a walled garden is the only corpo standing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012228
Elira hating tomatoes was something she had talked about since debut anon. She talked about what she liked and disliked about them at length in her first few weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012556
I mean, at this point it's Hololive and then everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011886
pomu is talking about what she wants to do next

>>70012001
more reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012650
Vod w/ timestamp please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012781
search elira tomatoes on the archive by oldest first or something, i remember she was saying she hates the way they exploded with juices when you bite into them but she can tolerate it on things like pizza because its not as obvious. People were even memeing about it drawing her eating tomatoes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012528
Looking at her 2021 VODs (since you said "later on"), I only see 2 Amogus collabs, 1 collab w/ Nova playing Pummel Party with two non-hanamori, and L4D2 with Pikamee. That's 4 streams out of 60 streams in 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70012781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3gl4miVqLU
I highly doubt she even know who Doki was back in 2020.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70013124
>wasting money
she sure did cost riku a lot of money kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>70013124
I concede.


I don't know if she knew Dokibird, but it's not improbable. The indie scene was tiny and they all congregated in the same discord server after all. But, since I can't substantiate that, I will accept the assertion I made crumbled under scrutiny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70011186
Exactly what I think.
>>70010998
>>70011067
I remember a post from some days ago that mentioned that whenever someone in Enna's chat mentioned Selen, she would pretend to not have read the message, which the anon found it weird. I can't recall the post number or the exact words used to search it on Warosu (I tried and came back empty-handed).

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>>70007296
>>70010212
>>70010472
Wait but the moom can't even take care of herself , how did she do it?

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>What I want to do, what people expect me to do, what people want me to do, what's best for me
>Every day my mind is going in circles
>I know you can't please everyone, but I'm also scaredof making the "wrong" choice and regretting it
...is this about niji vs doki?

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>>70013438
retard

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>>70013438
when your bait fails four times maybe it's time to try something else

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>>70013438
No it's about what vtubing step to take next. Indie? Vshojo? Wait and try for Holo? Maybe she got a deal from V4M. So many options to choose from that she's afraid of making the wrong choice.

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>>70013438
No, this is about her wanting to yeet the Pomudachis and her old persona and do fresh new stuff, but not having the courage to do it.