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Now that cover has put their flag down in the USA. What will be their next move? How should they respond to stop cover's monopoly over the vtuber world?

>> No.71171115

>>71170943
They just want to scrape up a few pennies on the loan margin for their stock, this isn't a future-forward company anon

>> No.71171166

>>71170943
Isn't anycolor's investor meeting in a few days? Yagoo threw Riku a curveball here - now investors will bring up hololive's EN expansion and ask about the failing nijiEN branch kek.

>> No.71171252

>>71171166
kek now that you mentioned it. wonder if yagoo knew about it and dropped the announcenment at this time on purpose

>> No.71171297

>>71170943
Hire a mob to attack their en lolis

>> No.71171427

>>71170943
Prepare the lube

>> No.71171444

>>71171166
>Sakana torpedos Riku's shins with coffee
>Yagoo nukes Riku right before the investor meeting
Rumao another addition for the All Out War Chronicles

>> No.71171612

>>71171252
>elira and uki do stupid shit
>sayu leaks black company contracts
>yagoo follows up with an EN office
YAGOD I KNEEL

>> No.71171623

>>71170943
>Anycolor is currently failing in the west
>Vshojo couldn't even get started in the east
>How should they respond to stop cover's monopoly over the vtuber world?
At this point nothing really.

>> No.71172083

>>71171623
vshojo is still the funnier one to me. a bunch of idiots thought the japs would see talent freedom as a positive

>> No.71172164

>>71171612
Thats what riku gets for trying to overlap holofes with a bunch of big streams and debuts

>> No.71172181

>>71170943
Vshojo only occasionally picks up 4views who are friends with current members so their expansion will always be pretty slow. Their niche of basically letting their talents do whatever they want while they network with big flesh streamers seems pretty stable though.

>> No.71172285

>>71171623
>>71172083
That's honestly pretty sad because Phase Connect has no problems expanding into Japan and they're significantly smaller, lower budget, and lower visibility.

>> No.71172367
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71172367

>>71171166
>If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant, attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

>What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

>> No.71172469

People won't like what I have to say, but since Cover's western expansion has been a success, I'm expecting a collaboration with VShojo at some point. Of course I don't mean talent collabs. Can't find the tweet but Yagoo seems to have a positive impression of Gunrun and VShojo. Much like Cover has built connections with Anycolor in JP, they'll start to build connections with VShojo now.

>> No.71173051

>>71172469
I honestly don't care anymore. Nyanners and Veibae were the biggest problems with Vshojo and they're gone. The company as a whole is mostly fine now. I even watch one of them now (Henya). I'd take them over Niji any day.

>> No.71173153
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71173153

>>71170943
If Hololive corners the kids entertainment market, it's veritably, ineffably over. They win until the end of vtubing. That market is an entire world made of solid gold.

>> No.71173259

>>71173153
losing to ironmouse

>> No.71173547

>>71173153
Gura could've pulled it off if she actually streamed.

>> No.71173721

>>71172285
>Phase Connect has no problems expanding into Japan
and that expansion failed dramatically because phase was retarded enough to have a ton of eop in their jap expansions chat scaring away any potential jap listeners

>> No.71173807

>>71172285
>Phase Connect has no problems expanding into Japan
Is it really expanding when they are just a small tadpole in the ocean

>> No.71173999

>>71170943
Riku live dancing

>> No.71174541

>>71171612
>the contract leak
>the artist abuse reporting a "lawyer" using the CEO stamp without aproval started an investigation
Riku is getting wombo combo'ed to oblivion.
And there still the Reimu pedo circle drama that still hasn't earned attention for now.

>> No.71174839

>>71172285
phase doesn't have a clique culture

>> No.71174876

>>71173153
it's a risque market with all the bitching parents nowdays

>> No.71175292

>>71170943
Vshojo had the equivalence of that for over a year.

>> No.71175832

>>71171166
NijiEN can't setup shop in NA considering how abhorrent their contracts/practices are, especially California.

>> No.71176819

>>71170943
>What will be their next move?
KR market for VShojo
ES for AnyColor

>> No.71177215

>>71174541
>Reimu pedo
wtf??

>> No.71177591

>>71177215
>>/vt/thread/70754438#p70832736

>> No.71177657

>>71173153
FWMC already did that

>> No.71177696

>>71170943
Backpack man and his girls will just continue to do their thing on twitch and they seem happy with that.
Yacht man will accelerate and pump out another gen soon.

>> No.71177702

>>71172285
VShojo didn't really tried.

>> No.71177756

>>71173807
gotta start somewhere
hololive was once the tadpole in the ocean too

>> No.71177786

>>71177657
cant deal with their fucking baby talking, I'm sure they can be entertaining but I cant take it, them and bijou

>> No.71177849

>>71174541
He's been in a combo since the Selen Termination

>> No.71177855

>>71172285
Phasefag delusion is hilarious the Phase JPs are nothing on the grand stage

>> No.71177868

>>71177786
I love it
it's refreshing after hours of talking with people who try to sound like adults irl with callous witty remarks daily

>> No.71177946

>>71177786
>them and bijou
You have never watch a single bijou stream

>> No.71178046

>>71170943
Riku Tazumi will continue to do what Riku Tazumi does best.
He will prey on more dreams, he will grow fat on your need for solace.
He will regurgitate more waves to manipulate the stressed out populace.
As he leaves those exploited by his company in the dust, he will sleep soundly in his suite unmoved by the grief he has caused, the lives he has ruined.
Then he will leave the ruin as if he were never there.
There is no passion, no hope, only the cold psycopathy of a businessman who plays dice with the lives of people.

>> No.71178458

>>71177868
You mean like this fag?
>>71178046

>> No.71178562

>>71178458
You a Riku cocksucker, homeboy?

>> No.71178605

>>71174839
>no clique
Anon, over half of Phase are nepo hired.
There was a nice relationship chart going around a couple of days agos to show who brought in who...

>> No.71179075

>>71171252
>And here comes Yagoo with the steel chair
KEK

>> No.71179329

>>71178605
A culture of bringing your friends into the company doesn't make a clique culture. In fact in Phase's case its probably one of the reasons they've been so damned successful. Everyone gets along and supports each other. It seems like a lot of people around here don't know the difference between a positive work environment and a clique. A clique by definition is an exclusive group. An elevated few that works to hold others down while only promoting themselves. Phase doesn't do that.

>> No.71179463

>>71177946
https://www.youtube.com/live/AV53gKuwyJA?si=EvNiq30pYcjWBAeN&t=6945

this is how she sounds, she sounds like a toddler and I'm not saying that its not enjoyable for you but you can not say that she doesnt sound like that

>> No.71179764

>>71171166
Selen's termination isn't so negligible now, Riku

>> No.71180087

>>71178605
The difference between Phase nepohiring vs Niji Nepohiring is the balance.
If you look into it, the PC nepohires are spread between 3-4 talents, and some of the nepohires are connected to all the key talents. If you throw Sakana himself doing some nepohires it's even more distributed. Meaning there's no real power imbalance. NijiEN nepohiring revolves around one person. That's the problem because instantly there's way too much influence concentrated around one person.

>> No.71180387

>>71180087
Also it's was spread over different prior corpos not just one. Overall good point. I'll buy it.

>> No.71180442
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>>71170943
They have lost the ALL OUT WAR. They are nothing but a joke now.

As long as the corrupt higher ups (like the chief executive who protects Luca's rule-breaking ass and the shitty lawyer who put that JP artist through hell) are there, the corpo is as good as dead.

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71180492

>>71177215

>> No.71180575

>>71172181
Vshojo's expansion has been rapid of late, they almost doubled their numbers even if they lost some members

>> No.71180838

>>71173153
My queen. I kneel

>> No.71180973

>>71172083
They thought that they would see Kson and Nazuna and would come flocking to see them. In reality, Nazuna literally left from lack of support (Vshojo Next was literally just the two, did they think more Holomems would defect for talent freedom™?) and Kson has only found success streaming in japanese when she is on youtube, where she doesn't brand herself as Vshojo.

>> No.71180993

>>71180387
There's also the fact that you'd expect a lot of nepohiring at the start. That's just the reality, PC didn't have the budget to on a massive recruiting spree and any big name wouldn't even look their way because of the lack of reputation. Niji on the other hand was around the time EN was launched, a market leader. They had the funds and resources to not resort to constant nepohiring.
Different expectations for different business life cycles. There's a local small family accounting firm who hired their daughter as a accountant where I live. Absolutely no problems there. But if you're Ernst & Young there's no reason that 1/2 an entire branch of 100+ employees is nepohired.

>> No.71181282

>>71170943
>>71171166
>>71171612
Qrd? Did Cover finally open a US office?

>> No.71181375

>>71181282
Yep they are opening a US branch office in California

>> No.71181424
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71181424

>>71170943
There's only one thing they can do

>> No.71181430

>>71171166
I completely forgot about that. I guess Anycolor can hide behind the fact that their quarterly reports are a month and a half behind so it’ll cover the period up to January 31, making it easier to lie to their dumber investors that somehow weren’t aware of the drama. But even then it won’t be easy to sidestep it for the next earnings report where they’ll have to admit that they were kicked out of one American convention, making North American appeal impossible.

>> No.71181502

>>71180087
That's something that has been on my mind lately. Not only phase and niji, but almost any company, hololive included, allows talents to recommend someone to the agency.
But a crucial difference I'm seeing is, if NijiEN staff did not speak english, how the fuck were the interviews conducted? I find it hard to believe they paid an outsourced translator when they could have just put Elira or Petra on the call.

>> No.71181533
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>>71181282
Yes with focus on sale, event planning, and merch shipping. Not studio or new branch.

>> No.71181583

>>71181375
>California
Oh no.

>> No.71181724

>>71181375
>>71181533
So hopefully that means better merch distribution in the US, that's cool, though I'm an EUfag so I'm still fucked either way (Yagoo EU office next please).

>> No.71181744

>>71181502
And this is why there's massive problems with talents doing translating. Not only do they have access to confidential information of people who might not even be employees, you're relying on thruthfulness and objectivity from someone who may have a vested interest in seeing some pass or fail auditions. Imagine someone Petra/Elira hates is in auditions, they're not really going to try to paint them in the best light to their bosses. It's just human nature.

>> No.71182230

>>71172469
If it means gunrun gives yagoo the tech that lets vtubers run around on monitors mounted on segways, then Fuck Yeah let them talk!

>> No.71182291

>>71181430
Investors are fully aware, even the financial commentators are aware of the drama. They however find JP profitable so they may just ask Riku to nuke and restart EN with a better rep. Then again, he could double down and go straight into a bad Q4 to cash out then.

>> No.71182356

>>71177702
>poach """beloved""" bilingual chuuba hoping to bring in her former audience
>poach chuuba with highest supas donated hoping to bring in her former whales
Yeah vshitshow didn't try at all. They definitely will not try to poach the banpire

>> No.71182671

>>71181744
>pass or fail auditions
Especially the second part is often overlooked and the reason why people say corruption breeds mediocrity and stagnation.
Applying this to the rrat of pushing out successful competition in the branch,
they would filter talented and motivated people in the audition so they do not threaten their position in the first place. Combine this with other sabotage like lack of marketing and at least in my headcanon this is why TTT turned out the way it did.

>> No.71182805

>>71172469
Anon, you are too naive. Yagoo likes a shitton of posts from rival companies and multiple other brands who aren't even directly involved in vtuber stuff, like sports teams.
And from all western companies he could work together with, Vshojo is one of the least likely ones because they have ex-Holos in there.

>> No.71183268

>>71182356
>poach
None of those left Hololive to join Vshojo. You might have an argument for some of the Niji, but if you are just hiring from the talent pool like they did with Kson and Nazuna, it's just regular hiring.

>> No.71183975
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>>71172083
Didn't Sony terminate their vtuber branch and gave the IP rights to all their vtubers?
Vshojo ain't probably settling for Japan but sure their motto is spreading.

>> No.71185257

>>71181724
If this works out in the US and Cover thinks the sales demand is there, you will probably see merch distributors opening in the EU too.

>> No.71185468

>>71183975
>their motto is spreading
Anon, they didn't terminate a talent. They terminated the whole project and left the Vtuber market.
Things like these have already happened in the past, like StarRing, for example, and the talents usually keep the IP.

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