/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Guy fall down the Vtuber rabbithole hard and fast or is it just a small grift for money?

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>>71211945
can anyone tell me the story of holoch?

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>>71211945
The only thing he'll say is that cover was wrong for apologizing, suspending Coco & haato and for allowing talents to be harassed for so long

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>>71212000
hololive switzerland?

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>>71212000
coco pissed off china by reading "taiwan" from youtube analytics on stream (she was sharing her viewership stats or something)
chinks raid her and some others on a daily basis
cover takes coco's side and cans their chinese branch and cuts ties with china completely
then coco eventually quits anyway lol

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Lawyer kun has pretty decent takes even though he is just doing it for the clout.

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>>71212100
you can't post that on a blue board, anon
think of the add revenue!

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>>71212130
it was a very secret project. hence the black bars.

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>>71212144
there has to be more than that. imagine losing your entire branch due to the leddit doragon

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>>71212000
Haato and Coco said taiwan which got chinamen so mad that it ended hololive's operations in all of china

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>>71211945
He literally gets more views than NijiEN. unironically. Legal commentator have lot a lot of drive since Amber Heard trial and Legal Eagle, the biggest of them, going full Demotard.
If it works, it works.

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>>71212100
SEXOOOOOOO

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>>71211945
He is a weeb so he might have

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>>71212100
me on the back

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>>71211945
Both. I think he's legitimately interested because it's the kind of law he deals with AND it's proving to be a good gift

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>>71211945
He thinks he's getting in on the ground floor of a lucrative "legal advice to vtubers" industry and barring that, he'll at least make a quick buck before he runs out of stuff to talk about. IDK if he actually sits down and watches vtuber streams, most likely not, and he doesn't claim to, but he does like anime and stuff like that.

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>>71212254
Chink branch wanted to take over the company and some of the Chink girls were actively encouraging the bugmen antis

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>>71212236
I heard that some of the holocn members were the ones coordinating the hate and that's why the branch was closed. I haven't seen anything confirmed tho

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>>71212236
that's what it was in essence, the only thing I didn't mention were some minor details that don't really matter like how coco insisted it wasn't intentional and said retarded haters should fuck off, also haachama did the same but chinks didn't raid her because they assumed she was just "too stupid" while coco "should've known better"
one of the holoCN members also made a post on her PL account supporting the raids too I think
there is a rrat that it was pushed by some chinese vtuber company to push hololive out so they could take the market share, but the chinese vtuber scene is in shambles after the doxxing law (every vtuber >100k subs or something like that needs to submit their real face+identity to the ccp, and this list got leaked lol) so if it was true then karma struck again I guess

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>>71212000
people keep saying taiwan instead of chinese taiwan

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>>71212236
>hololive cn members backstabbed Cover
>extremists made sponsors pull out

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>>71212443
don't forget they also harassed anyone coco got close to, which is one of the reasons she decided to quit.
Fubuki was one of the chuubas that still tried to Collab with coco, and her chat was near unusable because of the bug bots spamming her even when Coco wasn't on stream.

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>>71212130
if only.
>that really serious and punctual conservative German speaker fights with the French speaking leftie again
>both pick on the Italian speaker because she's always late
>the Italian and French are very vocal about not being Italian and French, respectively
>all three of them sound very funny to German, French and Italian viewers
>the Romansh girl is just happy to be there
>the Romansh girl is sad because everyone forgets about her
I'd love to see this.

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>>71212443
To be honest, I can buy Coco did it on purpose. Especially knowing she was on Reddit and how obsessed redditards are with Taiwan and China.
I have no idea about the CN talents but I hope no innocent girl got her entire career in Holo cut short because of that.

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Who's his oshi? He's got the fucking monkey emote, so Imma guess Pekora

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>>71213378
IIRC they were allowed to keep their holo models as a parting gift, it wasn't exactly a cold hard dump, they just had no choice because it was either bend the knee to schizo chink raiders and be their onahole forever or cut them off for good

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>>71212236
Too many bullshit conspiracy answers so I will give you the facts.

1. Chinamen get really fucking mad over Taiwan. It is like a personal insult to them to say or imply that Taiwan is not China. It's almost at the level of drawing Muhammed in front of a muslim, except they're not crazy enough to blow themselves up on you. But they get almost that mad. So they were all fucking pissed. When your business requires the public to like you and give you money for nothing that's kind of a huge problem.

2. The most popular HoloCN member had just over 100k subscribers. The least popular was at like 50k. They weren't very popular and didn't make much money even when Hololive had a favorable public opinion in China.

3. Getting back in the good graces of China would have required firing one of JP/EN's most popular talents, which would anger those much larger markets, and possibly even having Yagoo resign. Those would all be very bad for the company.

As a result they made the best decision for their business which is cutting their losses and disbanding HoloCN.

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>>71213378
yeah, I remember using it at the time and literally every single time someone mentioned China they would go "what? you mean West Taiwan?".
idk if it was on purpose or not, but she knew it was a sensitive topic.

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>>71213398
He doesn't have an oshi yet but he also seems to like pippa a lot considering most of the fucking clips he plays are from phase connect he is a pippanigger if not then he's on his way of becoming one.

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>>71211945
>my le grift
just don't watch then
no one is forcing you

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>>71212157
I think he genuinely likes vtubers

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>>71213622
It's because phaseniggers spam her at him, those vermin are everywhere shilling for free.

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This is what you let in with your dramafagging. You were too concerned with whether you could that you never asked whether you should.

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>>71213682
>I think he genuinely likes vtubers for grifting purposes of course.
Fixed it

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This dude outright said the reason he's covering vtubers so much is because he gets tons of requests for it, and lawyers go where the money is (according to him on why he's sticking to vtuber issues).
In fact he's even preparing his own vtubing model now.
Call him a leech or whatever, but he's not actually a grifter.

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>>71213794
Why are you seething sister?

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>>71211945
full on grift mode

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>>71213378
Nijifag, Coco didn't do shit, she showed her youtube stats that many other vtubers were doing back then. 5 out of 6 CNs were involved in the harassment, either indirectly on stream, or directly on rm. Their motivation goes from saving their own ass to actually being a chinese nationalist. The one that stayed quiet was from Taiwan.

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>>71213825
Absolutely mindbroken.

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>>71213807
i hope it helps the vtuber market rather than hurting it

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>is mindbroken by youtubers streaming
sounds like a voxsister

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Brothermans is making bank off Vtuber drama. He's making more than most Corpos right now. Kinda jelly

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>>71213564
>but she knew it was a sensitive topic.
She did not you falseflagnigger, no one outside China gave a shit about it being "sensitive" to China. West Taiwan only came into being after the chinese throw a fit.

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>>71211945
I mean it's both. Why do you think in absolutes? Can't it be both? He likes anime, vtubers and is using this opportunity to share his interests, knowledge and get clout. Pretty normal behaviour.

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>>71211945
He is just shrewd, he noticed the average vtuber fan is a tool that craves for recognition from normies so he converting that sentiment into easy views.

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>>71213945
So far he's been an objective positive for vtubing. He also believes he's a positive force too, with ex talents like Sayu commenting on how kind of a person he was after her chat got spammed with "you should sue!".

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>>71213869
I'm not a nijifag I was not even present when it happened, I only got into vtubing a month or so after council debuted, so idk how it went down.
I only know coco herself through clips and kson lmao

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>>71212420
artia and another one watched wolf warrior and big hat thanked fans for their support. that is all they said about the situation.
>>71212443
>one of the holoCN members also made a post on her PL account supporting the raids too I think
incorrect. artia was a part of a nationalist ccp online thing several years earlier but that was unrelated.
>there is a rrat that it was pushed by some chinese vtuber company to push hololive out
that rrat is nonsensical and false.
>>71213378
>>71213564
she didn't use "reddit" she literally only looked at the hololive reddit
>>71213503
>IIRC they were allowed to keep their holo models as a parting gift
they were not. artia mentioned that they wanted to keep them rather than get thrown in the trash but cover kept them.

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>>71211945
kill yourself newfag

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>>71213622
he seems to like Pippa and Shondo the most

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>>71214161
I remember that same behavior, of another forbidden fandom, from ages ago.

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>>71212236
Hi lawyer guy, here's what happened
>Haachama read her analytics on youtube and youtube itself shows taiwan as a country which pissed off teh chinese
>Coco did the same
>Coco got more shit thrown at her for being half american
>Both got suspended by Cover who didn't want to give up on the huge chinese market at the time and made both talents apologize on twitter while cover itself put out a statement saying they will re-educate the talents on china matters
>Many members of HoloCN were found out to instigate harrassment on Coco when all that shit happened
>Almost all of Coverr sponsors dropped Hololive causing a crisis
>concerts and lives were canceled because of that
>China being a mega giant and everyone wanted to ride their cock at the time made other companies avoid cover like the plague.
>Before HoloCN was axed,artia, a member of said branch, said that Yagoo would let them keep their models and IP which they never agreed on in the first place
>Turns on Artia was using the opportunity to force cover to kneel to them and give them their IPs thinking they could not refuse her lies because china would go berserk on Hololive again
>Cover said ''fuck you'' and axed them all since the chinese market was lost forever
>From this point Coco was banned from Hololive's official channel big collabs and events
>She could not get sponsorships because the few that wanted cover after the chinese thing didn't want to risk getting harrassed
>Chinese netizens sent bots to coco's chat when she returned saying how she's a shame
>Chat was so unusable that she had to turn membership mode for every stream
>This caused Coco to be the most superchatted and membered content creator on Youtube for a while
>Contrary to sister's history rewriting, coco could collab with her friends but she didn't want to do it much because the bots would follow them to her Holo friends's chats and ruin the mood, they would even harras talents just by mentioning coco example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyEnkyk-lzE
>Mnagement is asenine and restricts her because she wants to do her unhinged stuff and they cannot affor to lose more sponsors
>A manager is given a list of names to ban but they accidentally click ''make mod'' option which is close to each other making all of her antis mods
>with their newfound power the antis start banning the most loyal people in her fanbase and she cries out loud on stream
>This was the turning point when she decides to fuck off for good
>remember she had no gigs, no holo no graffiti, no sponsors and no collabs on the Hololive official channel
>She leaves and everything returns to normal
>CEO cries because he wanted to keep her

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>>71214243
I have no idea where this energy is coming from but it's funny

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>>71214315
this is mostly all wrong but it's what modern holofags believe so i'm not gonna change any minds by replying to it all

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>>71211945
>Guy fall down the Vtuber rabbithole hard and fast or is it just a small grift for money?
A grift is when you're dishonest or misrepresent in pursuit of profit. He knows mid-level weebshit, has lived in and around Asia, and his continued interest in weebshit seems genuine. I do think it's very opportunistic, maybe even excessive. It's fair to judge opportunism as distasteful, but I wouldn't call it "grift".

>>71212420
>some of the holocn members were the ones coordinating
Not "coordinating" in a technical sense, but two of six actively encouraged it, and one said a bunch that was borderline, and the other two mostly laid low or said a few things they had to say: there is only one China, etc.
Yogiri was entirely innocent and it really sucks that she was collateral damage.

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>>71214304
Pippa okay so he's a racist
Shon okay so he's a pedophile

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>>71214315
>no holo no graffiti
Incorrect.

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>>71214592
correct he is from florida

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>>71214592
hi vaush. please leave the horsies alone.

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>>71214592
He's from florida so, it is really NOT surprising that shondo and pippa are his favorite.

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>>71214635
she appeared in no episodes from the yab (9/26/2020) until right before she graduated. feel free to prove him wrong by linking one.

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>>71214490
Then correct him. I'm curious.

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>>71211945
I wonder how many bad things he will say about Cover and/or Coco.

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>>71214173
>I'm not a nijifag I was not even present when it happened
clearly

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>>71212000
It's some ancient Canaanite Pagan god whom the Demoncratic Party and the Clinton's sacrifice children too and absorb their adrenochrome.

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>>71214764

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>>71214592
White guy that lives in Thailand so probably

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>>71214315
>This caused Coco to be the most superchatted and membered content creator on Youtube for a while
I'm pretty sure this happened before the china yab

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>>71214315
I was there through all of that and I support this post.
Thank you for not adding some of the more dubious or unverified embellishments that people include sometimes (I won't bother with them either).
I was banned by the anti's being modded and was unbanned. She had to do a bunch of extra work to fix that bullshit, but it meant she created "community mods" at a time when Cover didn't really allow that, and they just let her.

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You wouldn't call that a grift unless you a butthurt nijiniger

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>>71214199
Didn't Artia say explicitly that they would get to keep the models only for Cover to stumble onto some of their wolf warrior bullshit?
Who has that Artia copy pasta handy?

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>>71212236
No, that's literally all it was. On top of that, it blew up to retarded degrees. Cover ended up getting banned from china and lost perms to pretty much any game based there, even games with actual hololive collabs like Azur Lane and Muse Dash. Later it was found out that HoloCN girls themselves were leading the charge against Coco and Cover as some kind of bizarre double agent shit, which made things even messier.
It still feels bizarre to think about how much I believed Artia. Thank god for that doc a china guy made and spread around which had a bunch of relevant evidence to show that Artia and Civia were snakes.
Man, fuck china.

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>>71214964
>I'm pretty sure this happened before the china yab
She was most superchatted before, in late Summer 2020 IIRC. We don't have proof that she was the most membered but I believe it was mentioned a few times. It might be "most membered JP", i.e. excluding Gura.

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>>71211945
If he does the fall of upd8/Ai, then I'll consider him legit, otherwise just another grifter

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I'm glad that there's so much revisionist in this thread, lawyer faggot has been leeching hard so the harder it gets for him the better.

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>>71212144
>chinks raid her and some others on a daily basis
I don't even need to look for receipts to know that the bugs would do something like that.

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>>71215066
If holo did something wrong and he reported on it youd be the first one to call him a grifter, shut up cock guzzling faggot.

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>>71212443
I still love the rrat that Coco went and took the taiwan grenade herself to take the fall for Haachama, who DEFINITELY wouldn't have been able to tank all of that raiding.

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>>71215154
It fucking astounds me that Artia was literally making fun of her eop audience to the rest of her chink fanbase about how they didn't know how much of a nationalist she was, like how fucking brazen do you have to be?

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>>71214963
>Nijisisters don't know what goalpost moving is
shocking.

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>>71215267
Coco died on the cross like jesus for the future of hololive

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>>71211945
He's just an attorney that happens to be a otaku I guess, nothing wrong with it, I do think it'll be hard for him to continue this content after Niji stops fucking up (if they do or just straight up go out of business) not that much legal analysis stuff seems to be needed in this industry, I kinda wish ex reporters or at least real reporters would take the place of False, Khyo, Rev etc. but I guess they'll do for now.

He's not "griffting" so much as seeing legal stuff not covered by the thousands of legal channels covering politics legal stuff he's choosing weeb legal stuff. As I said before I don't know how much traction it'll get especially since all this shit is from Japan and their system is obviously different from ours.

tl:dr not a grift and I appreciate his content for the time being I hope he can do it for awhile longer.

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>>71212157
>Lawyer kun has pretty decent takes even though he is just doing it for the clout.
He's not afraid of calling people retarded if they try talking shit, he already explained before that he's willing to debate any rational argument presented in good faith.
He also make some good jokes like the "warcrime fries", he just dabbed on the retarded X activists for 3 hours.

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>/vt/'s golem is turning against them
Just wait until Charlie finally discloses what absurd clauses Mori's contract has in it.
False, khyo, muta, asmoncuck... Hell EVERYONE even the news will talk about it.
And you could've prevented it by not letting grifters be welcomed.

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>>71215267
I like it too. It's really noble and all, but the evidence points towards it being coincidental. Coco was waking up just in time to do Asacoco by then, and had things prepped before going to sleep.

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>>71214199
>artia mentioned that they wanted to keep them rather than get thrown in the trash but cover kept them
Artia announced they were allowed to keep the models but that was either a miscommunication or straight up lie from her CN manager because they were never going to be allowed to keep them.

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>>71215267
Given that Haachama said that Coco wouldn't have graduated if she hadn't shown those analytics and how much of a saivorfag Kson is, I honestly think this rrat is soft confirmed

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>>71212236
>imagine losing your entire branch due to the leddit doragon
My rrat is that they found the entire CN was just a landmine ready to blow it was easier to purge the entire city before the drama spreaded.

[Anonymous No.]

Just like woke and nazi, grifter has completely lost its meaning.

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>>71215325
Yeah, I always think back to that part of the doc where a bunch of chinese posters were talking about how they thought we'd brigade Artia and Civia like how they were doing to Coco, and how we were fucking idiots for believing that they were on Cover's side. Calling us bleeding hearts and stupid for falling for such obvious acting and not getting angry enough to raid like they were.

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>>71212144
thats what naive holotards think, the truth is that china were promoting some regulations that eventually were going to end up hitting them, they simply took advantage of the situation to get out, its stupid to think that a company would close an entire branch just to protect an employee who was already being sidelined by the other employees anyway.

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>>71215466
If it sucks it sucks, unlike Nijisisters my oshi isn't corporate contracts or riku's bank account.

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>>71211945
Falseyed but for Hololive. An annoying grifter that Pippacucks and other kiwi tourists worship

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>>71215500
>Artia announced they were allowed to keep the models but that was either a miscommunication or straight up lie from her CN manager because they were never going to be allowed to keep them.
Keeping the model after stirring all that drama? roru rumao even, CN not even once.

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Someone send him the clips of all of holo jp saying nigga lol

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>>71215591
Pretty sure Coco made more than all of CN combined back then.

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>>71212380
>Chink branch wanted to take over the company and some of the Chink girls were actively encouraging the bugmen antis
Also made pretty clear that vtuber corpo should get involved with bugmen.

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Pippa and her consequences to VTubing are a disaster for the whole medium

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>>71215165
He literally doing research based on community suggestion.
If you want him to look into it, tell him about it. Not even through SCs or anything, but through the e-mail he encourages people to use.

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>>71215591
...Anon, Coco's name was censored in Genshin Impact. That's how petty the chinese were being at the time. Muse dash was the game that Gura hit it off with the most and was by far her most popular vod at the time, on top of having a hololive song collab. Azur Lane was an actual business partner with collabs, including a famous stream where Matsuri freaked the fuck out about getting a fubuki ship.
Losing the chinese market was definitely a good call in the long run, but it absolutely hurt them and was not an easy decision.

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>>71212443
>but the chinese vtuber scene is in shambles after the doxxing law (every vtuber >100k subs or something like that needs to submit their real face+identity to the ccp, and this list got leaked lol) so if it was true then karma struck again I guess
So they got BTFO after ruining it for everybody? they cucked themselves from vtubing.

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>>71215841
From what I hear it's worse than that. Once you get above like 500k you have to reveal your name and face publicly or get banned or something.

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>>71215724
HoloCN may not have made a ton but Holo in general made a shit ton of money on BiliBili. It was Fubuki's biggest source of income for a while. Which is why so many people hold her opinion of the company in high regard, she chose Coco over money.

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>>71213529
>As a result they made the best decision for their business which is cutting their losses and disbanding HoloCN.
CN will look retarded when Holo expands to US, EU, ID and only CN gets cucked forever.

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Oh man, remember when a bunch of huge clippers who were notorious for making awful, misrepresenting and drama-causing clips stood in solidarity with china and threatened to remove their channels... and everyone just said good riddance?
Rest in piss, Hololive Moments.

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>>71214766
ok
>Coco got more shit thrown at her for being half american
this is wrong, she got more shit because the chinese came up with a narrative that coco brought up taiwan on purpose because she was mad that haato was suspended from bilibili and wanted to lash out rebelliously (they only knew her through clips and thought that was her whole personality). redditors and most holofags (also clipwatchers) believe that same narrative except they think she was "protecting" haato by redirecting attention to herself and it was based. in reality she was asleep and had no idea what was going on and was just answering a viewer question from a few days earlier.
>Many members of HoloCN were found out to instigate harrassment
this is false and based on like 50 different rrats it would take me hours to debunk them all. the only one who actually did something to instigate it in my opinion is artia, but i believe that she is a retard memeing in very poor taste rather than an evil ccp drone. everyone else basically just kept their heads down and quietly thanked their fans for supporting them as one would expect professionals in a tense situation to do.
>Almost all of Coverr sponsors dropped Hololive
just chinese ones really
>concerts and lives were canceled
aqua's unannounced appearance at a league of legends tournament was cancelled but that's the only one i'm aware of. i think some other concert or debut was postponed but it wasn't that big of a deal.
>artia, a member of said branch, said that Yagoo would let them keep their models and IP which they never agreed on in the first place
>Turns on Artia was using the opportunity to force cover to kneel to them
this is just retarded holofag power fantasy. artia got bad information from the manager telephone game during negotiations and spoke before the deal was finalized, it's not a conspiracy.
>Cover said ''fuck you'' and axed them all
more power fantasy shit, it was more like "oh fuck oh crap this is bad" while axing them. china is a huge market and they didn't want to lose them.
>This caused Coco to be the most superchatted and membered content creator on Youtube for a while
coco was #1 before the taiwan shit. getting spammed did not help her.
>Contrary to sister's history rewriting, coco could collab with her friends
she couldn't collab as freely as she could in the past and she was literally blocked from EN collabs so this is also false.
>Mnagement is asenine and restricts her because she wants to do her unhinged stuff
weird management dicksucking
>A manager is given a list of names to ban but they accidentally click ''make mod'' option
"accidentally"
>This was the turning point when she decides to fuck off for good
her turning point was a month after that event after she met with upper management again and got cockblocked from something (she wasn't allowed to say what it was)

>how do you know all that SISTER/ZHANG/WHATEVER?!?!?!
i researched the chinamen and their tactics and motivations extensively because they were spamming my oshi and i wanted to know how to combat it.

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>>71215936
Anyone with a brain knows that if Fubuki chose money over a coworker then she would be seen as a bitch and her career would be over except for some zealous chink raiders, whose capacity to spend money is questionable. Same thing with Cover. Siding with Coco was simply the most logical option from all perspectives.

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I love how so many tianenman squares in this thread were glossing over that one of the china talents was actually rallying people until others finally showed up to point it out

>>71215936
also this guy is retarded

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>>71215154
>Man, fuck china.
Never, ever again.

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>>71216221
>Coco got more shit thrown at her for being half american
>this is wrong
>Many members of HoloCN were found out to instigate harrassment
>this is false

100 social credits have been added to your account

seriously though, there's fucking receipts for half the shit you're saying is false.

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>>71216221
>fanfiction.net
Nijisisters are not good writers huh?

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>>71215936
A lot of that money stayed in china, there is an interview of Yagoo that states that they didn't earn much from china. He might be referring to the company itself though and not the holos.

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>>71216416
>>71216454
change your maxipads ladies

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>>71213529
most of them don't really get mad. their government just gives them social credit score for pretending to be outraged at stuff like that on social media. most governments get the public riled against their enemies by calling them the antichrist or something similar. meanwhile china just goes "if you wanna keep your access to healthcare and public transportation you better at least pretend to be upset". it's kinda funny.

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>>71216454
I agree with some of >>71216221's corrections, and disagree with others, but I can tell he's not a Nijisister.

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CN was foundational to the growth of Hololive. You can't deny that shit

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>>71216231
she said she was being pushed out of many activities and her character was becoming a taboo inside the company, stop remembering only what is the most convenient for a bias narrative.

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>>71214315
coco isn't hapa, she's full asian, born in america

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>>71216231
Yet companies around that time and still today side with China and not their talents all the time.

>>71216251
And you are a new fag that came in after EN and don't know how much China was propping up Holo before 2020. Nene's whole character was pandering to them. They were doing cross overs with China gatcha games. China hated that the English market came in with Coco and was taking attention away from them. That is why they went after her so hard and not Haachama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216519
>their government just gives them social credit score for pretending to be outraged at stuff like that on social media.
If you're a public figure of any sort, even a minor one, it's more than just some passive bot giving you the "social credit score".
If you have any audience at all, you will get mobbed for just laying low and saying nothing. You have to stand up and loudly demonstrate your patriotism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71215906
Roru, just make vtubing illegal instead of all that bs.
They're afraid of anonymous being able to influence people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71215646
Then the pressure is on all other holomems to speak up about their trash contracts, unfit for a western citizen and ultimately restrictive.
Redditors are gonna have a field day running hololive to the ground. Drama vultures swoop in and collect cash + spread negative press against cover.
Your oshi loses subs, views, SC and merch sales.
She can't take the stress, takes longer breaks.
People reach out for others wronged by cover... Kson, mike, mel.
All speak up too and the roller coaster speeds up. Normalfag streamers make a big spotlight of it. It blows up in twitter and tik tok.
Your oshi is being hounded by hundreds of hungry dramafags sending her $2 bait supas. You can't even enjoy her streams any more. They are cut short because she doesn't want to deal the harassment anymore.
Legions of sisters and phasecucks play overtime to spread disinfo and rrats everywhere.
You have no escape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216687
Yeah because chinks wouldn't stop raiding her, what's your point? Time has shown that hololive made the right choice back then. That's why Yagoo is CEO of a successful company while you're a bitter subhuman loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216532
holofags go full tribal over their anti-china seethe to the point where they get retarded. they accused civia of being a ccp drone because she posted that she liked aqua's cover song. it's silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216221
It's really bizarre that people still try and claim the mod thing was an accident

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216221
>Almost all of Cover sponsors dropped >Hololive just chinese ones really

There's also that taiwanese PC company ,ASUS, that cancelled an ad stream by Fubuki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216496
I could see it being either or both really. With the rules they put in place at the time especially it seems like they really want to make sure the country is getting their cut of internet money being made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216221
>First point unironically points out that chinese made rrats about Coco specifically, the american girl... who does china hates the most????
>HoloCN apologist with no proof, neat
>GUESS WHO THE FUCK WORKS WITH CHINESE ANON?????? ALMOST EVERYONE
>doesn't even try to deny it
>HoloCN apologist, electri bogaloo 2
>HoloCN apologist, revenge of the chink
>Never said it helped her, I said it made her the numbe 1
>Memoryholes OMEGATROON
>saying management was bad means management dicksuckin (?)
>Fanfiction.net
>at least a timestamp nigger?
>Believes himself internet historian
Damn, they are not sending their best huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71212144
Anon, that was Haachama. Coco came in her defense and started brigading against chinks and triggering them even further by actively making them mad compared to Haachama who only did it by accident. Based, but shortsighted move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216701
Correct.
She is full-blooded Japanese and fully American, born and raised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
He's a grifter through and through but everyone here and r*ddit seems to love sucking his cock.
This shit's been discussed through and through. We already know what happened, and Hololive is in a better state now than it was before ever since leaving the CN market.
He's only doing it now because he sees money in it ever since he got propped up by riding the drama wave.
No different from FalseEye or any other tabloid-tier drama tubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
>he didn't put Yogurt in the thumbnail
That's kinda nice I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216715
>China was propping up Holo
Anata wa retarded desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217050
learn english newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216865
Civia also did a watch along of wolf warrior with Artia during the chinese spamming of holo channels

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945

"Better dead than red."

That is your lesson, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217200
I accept your concession, indie shitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217080
>Coco came in her defense and started brigading against chinks...
That is not what happened.
She read from a screenshot of her YouTube stats page just a cute way of sharing with her viewers where they were from. The page happened to say "Taiwan", which is not a controversial word to say in China, but it was listed under a column that was titled "Country", which is.
Coco did not know this.
Even by her next stream, she did not even know the online Chinese nationalists were beginning to spin up in rage. Fans told her via chat, and she was genuinely shocked.

[Anonymous No.]

Do Mainland Zhangs really Mald when people mention "Taiwan"

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217258
wash your stinky pussy for milord bitch

[Anonymous No.]

Better dead than red.

That is your lesson, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216831
Gonna be real, if it does turn out to be the case, I'd react just the same. I'm happy for the company for bringing the girls to me, but if the girls are unhappy and restricted, then it's going to really sour my opinions no matter who they are.
You should never oshi a company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216865
That is completely wrong, Civia was a massive Aqua simp since the very beginning (I still remember that "Aqua-senpai, ride me!" clip) and her liking an Aqua cover song would be perceived as a totally expected behavior.

The ccp drone thing comes from a watchalong collab she had with Artia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217160
the OP only included the members of HoloCN that is suspected to have actively moved against Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217160
Everything I heard about Yogiri is that she legitimately had nothing to do with this and just wanted to be an idol. Spade Echo too I think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217315
Just look at this thread anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217080
No? Haachama did it first, nobody complained, then Coco did it too because it seemed like an interesting stream idea, then chinks lashed out at Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217377
It's only you and I who want to see our oshi succeed and be happy.
People in the outside world already see us as pests. You better hold on tight because dramafags smell blood in the water.
Mr grifter lawyer will probably make a stream about Mel later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216831
>Legions of sisters and phasecucks play overtime to spread disinfo and rrats everywhere.
This shit is already happening anon, just look at the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217455
That seems to be the case, and I'm pretty sure that Yogiri was taiwanese, so that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217315
No.
They mald when you say "Taiwan is a country", or imply it is anything other than a part/province of the one, united China under the People's Republic of China.
And to be fair to them, the Republic of China (Taiwanese) government's official position is ALSO that there is "only one China", and that they are under one government, i.e. the RoC government, and the Communists are just some rebels who don't rightly rule anything.

Both are stupid claims.
The PRC does not control Taiwan.
Taiwan does not govern the PRC.
Taiwan is functionally independent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
jeezas shes pulling out all the old yabs lmao next thing you know hes gonna do hitomi chris

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
>lesson learned
I imagine is a youtube short? how many seconds do you need to a "avoid working with chinese people" video?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217398
To be fair, the watchalong was Wolf Warrior, an extremely nationalistic movie and the name itself is often used for their internet brigades. It was as much of a dogwhistle as can be.

[Anonymous No.]

Coco posted this at the end of her streams and really pissed off the bugmen

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216221
That is her whole personality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
Step 1: make a bait post about china
Step 2: watch all the wumao's swarm the thread doing damage control
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit

anyway fuck off back to spreading pro china messages in /pol/ please

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217028
asus is basically a chinese company, there are chinamen in the higher ups like the guy who ended that collab by saying he would stab someone to make sure it didn't happen.
>>71217201
>>71217398
artia watched the movie with doris, not civia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217579
No they even get mad at saying taiwan. It's Chinese Taipei in their minds. I've seen this a lot because I work with a Chinese and Taiwanese, and it's a fight almost every other day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217274
>
Dude, Hololive did numerous events in Taipei, Taiwan.

CCP and mister Xi are not an authority in Nipponland. If those chinese forget their place - they will be reminded very quickly by JSDF, ROK and US Forces.

Communist CHina never had its authority over territories of Taiwan. So can they fuck the fuck off from good old Kuomintang guys, and just not drill everyone's brain about Taiwan being or not being a country? They are authonomous from mainland. So for all intents and purposes, they are their own country. It is fait accompli at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71213092
No one was spamming when she decided to quit. They got bored after a month or two. Chat was back to normal even without the subscribers only filter.
She quit and that roused the chinks to go after FBK next. They got bored after a couple of months again.
The reason she quit was because she wanted to do the things she's been doing as an indie: React content just like the twitch whores she befriended, and also to have total control of who she can work with.
She was done with the walled garden, but now she seems done with vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71212000
No Shit Real Talk
They tried to sabotage Hololive. Their fans, mod and TL group in China were responsibility for spamming Hololive for year. Artia mods are original Andy who organized several spam discord with help of Nijisister for Hololive's downfall.

They are bad actors and traitors

Ask me if you want to know anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217579
If that's the case then why did they attack Coco? I don't remember her saying "Taiwan is a country" she only acknowledged people from Taiwan watch her streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
He got the Phase connect audience, he is farming them really hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217640
they were mad and programmed the wheelbarrow before that

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216846
>what's your point
that you are retarded and you couldnt get your head out of your ass holofag kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71213564
bug legs wrote this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217819
>They got bored after a couple of months again.
Anon, they spammed Fubuki's and Aqua's chat for almost an entire year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217819
>No one was spamming when she decided to quit
lol
>They got bored after a month or two
lol
>Chat was back to normal even without the subscribers only filter
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>le rightwing grifter is one of us!
You'd think you guys would have learned from GaymerGayte
He cares about vtubers the same way Milo Greekname and all those other grifters cared about video games: as an easy way to milk some current drama to get money from stupid nerds

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217843
Thank you. Our hero, Xi Jinpin to the rescue!


Lemao

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217880
What's retarded about observing history and reality? Cover made the right choice. Chinks made the retarded choice (they are now starting to crawl back to hololive). You lost both the culture war and this meaningless argument.

[Anonymous No.]

he's friends with nux, that's all i have to say

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3tnH4FGbd0
words to live by

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217720
Shit, you're right, it was Doris.
Then why was Civia associated with them? I remember there was a plausible reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217819
Are you joking? Every time someone tried to collab with her chat was unusable, every art tag was spammed with gore/trypophobia shit. They went REALLY hard and they were spamming that until her graduation

[Anonymous No.]

>>71216846
>Time has shown that hololive made the right choice back then
lol
>That's why Yagoo is CEO of a successful company
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218039
because she liked aqua's song, like i said earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217819
Retard
They were randomly spam orher Hololive members for whole year.

>> but..

They even tried spamming Moonna after Coco visited her Bday stream but HoloIDfags will scorch earth NijiID if they tried to Moonna again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217189
They were the biggest spenders pre-2020 and the biggest English clip channel was ran by a Chinese group. They deleted all their clips and tried to leverage themselves to get fans to side with China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218108
No, that's total bullshit that makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217819
Holy revisionist history.
At the time I remember distinctly wanting to watch Coco because I was new to the scene and HoloEN wasn't out yet. The chat was unbearable and impossible to watch. Yes they got bored over time but it was only to the point where they stopped raiding ALL hololive girls and only raided Coco specifically + whoever she collab'd with (but only while coco was on screen). I don't think they ever really stopped entirely up until she actually quit. They'd even buy membership just to post a raid message before getting banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217455
Isn't Yogiri hafu or Taiwanese or something, thats why she didn't want anything to do with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218152
>They were the biggest spenders pre-2020
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218152
>They were the biggest spenders pre-2020
Bigger spenders outside Japan, and they amounted to a puny 7%

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218184
Civia was mentioned in the doc as posting super pro-china shit on her whatever the chinese equivalent of reddit/twitter was. Specifically the phrase "hold the bottom line" iirc. Which is another chinese dogwhistle line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218184
the important thing you are forgetting is that tribalfags are dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218190
I mean they are wrong, but this shit happened after HoloEN debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218039
Civia is a smart master mind.
Her rm is close with NGA owner and her mods and Civiafags were organized attacking campange.

>> but ... but...

Civia shows her true colour when she use Aquas song " Win Win Win" for encourage spamming Hololive in the banner " for Aqua" and " want to buy Aqua contract" narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218184
>posts on website where people frequently brigade vtubers for liking a post on twitter
>no that's dumb

welcome to the board tourist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217416
Civia didn't do shit, the only reason she got caught up in anything was because she was close to Artia and that was just because they were the only two that spoke english and did anything outside of bilibili

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218372
>n the banner " for Aqua" and " want to buy Aqua contract" narrative.
This was the most cringe shit on earth. Anyone have that cringe chink comic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218329
It was around the same time, but I'm pretty sure the coco thing happened a little bit before myth debut. I remember it happening either late august or early september, and Myth debuted in late september.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218039
It was because Civia unfollowed Coco right after the yab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218453
oh god. I forgot about that. The chinese kept using Aqua like some kind of mascot or banner, and were absolutely CRUSHED when they found out that she sided with Coco over them.
Does anyone still have the doc handy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217999
>history and reality
ok, then lets talk about when they decided to abandon a certain talent who was being unfairly harassed and who later became known to attempted suicide, there is nothing more fun that red pilling a bunch of tribalfags kek.

[Anonymous No.]

Holofags are the biggest bandwagoners and retards in the industry. I still remember when this first started all of them were like

>Yagoo is doing this protect the CN talent from getting attacked and arrested

Then when it came out Artia was instigating this shit people went to

>Oh no CN bad

Sort of like how Selen gets let go for breaking rules and it's

>Oh no she was bullied

But when Mel who was stalked and potentially sexually harassed gets let go for breaking rules it's

>Well she mutually left, I hope she didn't leak anything too important.

Why are holofags like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217840
Her screenshot listed her viewers by 上位の国 ("top countries") and the list had Countries as Japan, America, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia, in that order.

Is that oversensitive of the mainlanders?
Yes. Coco didn't even decide to put the words "Taiwan" in there. Google's stats page said it.
Were online PRC nationalists looking for an excuse to feel offended and attack someone?
Probably.
Did some of them think Coco was a fitting target, in 2020, with her American association?
Probably.

Here's the biggest irony of all: YouTube is blocked in China, so in order to watch Coco, someone from the PRC would have to use a VPN or proxy. Many of them proxied through Taiwan, meaning that any Chinese fans were actually ADDING to the Taiwan stat, contributing to it being so high up.

[Anonymous No.]

If we want to serious talking about yhis matter, you must have knowledge about Werewolf warrior (战狼外交) aka Volunteer pro ccp IO netizen and they are civillian who work for CCP for social score.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71212365
It's literally not the kind of law he deals with lmao what the fuck are you on son?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71213398
it's actually Jill himself, he couldn't care less for any of the talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218615
Why are you bringing up Anycolor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218504
>but I'm pretty sure the coco thing happened a little bit before myth debut
Wrong google is your friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218056
How is Cover not successful, in your subhuman mind?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218581
Some of them genuinely thought FBK would side with them too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218755
success isn't short term, it's long term. and if you think hololive is raking in the big bucks, lol just lol. this market is oversaturated as fuck, and they have no ability to expand into other markets and industries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218581
Me

Entriely

Aqua spell 1 single spell and massive anti chink are dying.

>>" Kondragon" to Coco in Minecraft stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>71212236
>there has to be more than that
I remember seeing a screenshot of Artia supporting the harassment on her private account

[Anonymous No.]

Why couldn't they just defect to Taiwan instead of backstabbing their co-workers and employer. What have China ever done for them really

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218847
Meanwhile chink land is a burning tire fire on the streamer front and is more torched than anywhere else. Yes, Cover made the right choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71215354
>Being this retarded
Anon. He's talking about topics he genuinely doesn't know a thing about, as they sit outside his legal specialisation and he very obviously doesn't do ANY fucking prep, needing to be informed of basic facts by his fucking chat.

He spent hours discussing a 'contract' that is worthless as an example of a legal document and idiots ate that shit up, no lawyer worth a dime would take that shit seriously and he went full steam ahead on a nothingburger because he knew he'd get clicks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218888
8888 perfectly fits this thread
Also you remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218581
Yeah IIRC Fubuki said "I had lunch with Coco" while she was suspended, and later on after Coco came back, Aqua said hi to her in Minecraft.
Those two completely minor interactions were enough for them to lose their shit.
Shows how fragile the nationalist's ego is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71213764
On the topic, have you heard of https://shop.phase-connect.com/ ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217515
Haachama told Coco that she was getting harassment from it. It's why Coco went guns ablazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218847
Cover continuously makes new highs each year though? And how much money exactly do they need to make for you to consider it as success? Rivaling Disney I assume?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217819
>No one was spamming when she decided to quit. They got bored after a month or two. Chat was back to normal even without the subscribers only filter.
you are both partially correct and wrong. 2 months before Coco graduated youtube gave her a special chat filter that blocked all the chinamen seemingly by not displaying chat messages sent through VPNs. this gave coco a normal chat for a few months but the spam never stopped, the chinaspammers continued spamming into the void right up until she graduated. they literally had a coco-spam based community that talked about spam and shared messages to spam and made memes about spamming. and they only stopped because the spam movement had infighting after coco graduated.
>She quit and that roused the chinks to go after FBK next. They got bored after a couple of months again.
that was literally one guy. everyone else lost interest once the nga forum was locked.

the rest of your post is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218717
Shit, I think you're right. I might be mixing it up with Holofive. Man, 2020 sucked...

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218847
>Expansion
Not needed, retardo stockbro-sama.
>Market is saturated
By them. Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218926
Meanwhile, this industry is going to collapse onto itself. It's a bad industry, this shit ain't going to last outside of Japan. It's a trend, just like Love Live, AK48, etc. You can't make an international brand/market on a trend. Once a new trend comes out and this one is old news, the only people watching hololive will be sweaty old japanese businessmen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218715
Because Nijisister help Antis spammed and attacking Hololive members as well.
And in massive scale unironically.

>> but....but....

China netizen who want to spam Coco but can't because of "The Great Firewall" so they change tactic and contact " honor benefactor" NijiSister in SEA help them attacking Hololive. They also want Hololive's downfall

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218847
>and they have no ability to expand into other markets and ind-AAAAACK!
Considering this news has been plastered over the board over the past few hours since it came out, I'm guessing you're a zhang raider called in from somewhere else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218623
>100% wrong info
>Doki hater
sisters can be really shameless sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71212443
>they assumed she was just "too stupid" while coco "should've known better"
Coco DID know better; she was forced to do it to take the heat off of Haachama because the Chammers was holding it against her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218847
This is the most retarded post itt, and that's quite the accomplishment, congrats!

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218993
>Haachama told Coco that she was getting harassment from it. It's why Coco went guns ablazing.
That is not true. Coco had no idea.
She was just being cute and sharing stats, the same way a bunch of other hololive talents have and still sometimes do.
She found out when WE IN CHAT told her during an utawaku later that day that the Asacoco was privated, and had no idea why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219030
>Market is saturated
>By them. Yes.
lol
>Expansion
>Not needed, retardo stockbro-sama.
lol

I mean, can someone who has at least taken a basic economics course try to respond.

>>71219102
So they're expanding into somewhere they already exist. Yeah that's totally "expanding". And anyway, it's largely irrelevant. They can "expand" into India. It doesn't mean shit because their market is middle aged men that have spare money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71212785
*Taipei

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219054
>chinks so butthurt about getting dumped that they're now doomposting the entire vtubing industry as a cope
lol, why are you even on this board to begin with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219107
At least they're consistent about being chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219102
>Cover USA
Most of the EN talent is from Canada. What did YAGOO mean by that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219107
You don't have to hate Doki to point out hypocrisy. Explain to me how the firings were any different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219127
>Coco... was forced to do it to take the heat off of Haachama.
I know that you have accepted this rrat into your brain over three years ago, and have let it nest there ever since, but there was never any evidence for it. People here made it up because it made them feel good for Coco to be a hero taking deliberate action, instead of someone who did a thing by accident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219193
You know EN didn't originally exist right? So after they start expanding into EN, it doesn't count because the expansion has already started? Bug moment.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck the bad actors for ruining what could have been a nice branch, politics need to stay the fuck out of vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71218581
I remember Aqua accidently liked or RTed an art that had some kind of dogwhistle hidden in the background and really invigorated their delusions

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219054
Man these VPNs really do work, how is weather in west Taiwan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219288
They released EN 4 years ago anon. They're not doing anything new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219017
You don't disagree with first half of my post and the other sorry fucks don't disagree with the second half of my post

All in all it's a valid stanpoint:
She didn't quit for the spam
She quit to do precisely what she did

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219244
...Where would they even port in Canada, Vancouver? Cali's much easier and bigger for shipping and logistics. Especially since it's already part of the US.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219193
>Broooo muh economics totally talk about le infinite growth machine!!
Yup, called it, a retarded stockbro. Next time don't flunk out of economics.

[Anonymous No.]

None of you retards have ever used the word grifter in the right context on this board. And the only people using it are always the retarded ass dooxx sisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217576
I remember it being the other way around. Yogiri wanted nothing to do with it and Spade Echo was the Taiwanese. Good for Spade Echo now though, she's one of the top vtubers in China now. Got 1 million subs more or less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219307
>CN
>politics need to stay the fuck out

let's see how that works out for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219017
>She quit and that roused the chinks to go after FBK next. They got bored after a couple of months again.
that was literally one guy. everyone else lost interest once the nga forum was locked.

the rest of your post is retarded.

<< Wrong, NGA just a bait in disguise.
Their basements always in Discord or WeChat. Bahamut and Tatsunoko guys were tracking and hunt them down one by one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71211945
Leaving China ended up being the best decision Cover has ever made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219374
>Broooo muh economics totally talk about le infinite growth machine

No one is going to be paying virtual women backed by some corpo forever anon. Hate to break it to you. They need to expand outward from this trend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219438
nah

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219419
I thought the rrat was that Spade Echo was a daughter of a high ranking CCP member that lesser citizens can't touch

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219360
>they didn't clap their hands and magic new shit out of thin air instantly, so they are stagnating
lol, you're even daring to say this in response to a screencap of them opening their first USA office

[Anonymous No.]

>>71215267
If I'm correct isn't Haachama's father some sort of politician of sort? That and the news hearing his daughter being harassed online did relay back quickly during some meeting he was in with the other international officials personally addressing this? I know it didn't fully go away for Haachama during that time but it was damn well suppressed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219526
Yes, and ignoring China in favor of better markets is helping with that. Abandoning bad markets is one of the things Cover did right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219358
you don't need a vpn to post on 4chan in china

[Anonymous No.]

>>71217160
miss yogurt

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219530
They used Reddit as second basement but got fucked hard by Holofag Redditors

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>>71219537
>lol, you're even daring to say this in response to a screencap of them opening their first USA office

Oh boy an office in the US! That's sure to increase our value, definitely not cost us money. Anon the US office isn't "expanding" into the US, it's simply to streamline management of EN talents located in North America.

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>>71214764
There are a bunch of Holos who don't appear on that shit for more than half a year at a time sometimes.

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>>71219435
Literally nobody has successfully gatekept politics
I don't any Westerner should be throwing stones lmao

[Anonymous No.]

What's the story behind this?

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>>71219543
Don't know, but I remember this picture of japanese parliament discussing it going around and it's kind of hilarious.

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>>71219684 (me)
think*

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>>71217875
a lot of those are probably former nijisisters that switched to PC post-selen drama. they got a huge influx of refugees

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>>71218290
"Hold the bottom line" was something Artia said, not Civia. You can see this by searching that sentence in the archives.
I'm not gonna say Civia is "innocent", in my opinion there's no direct evidence for or against what her actual stance on anything was, when you're in that gray area people usually just presume guilt because silence is defeaning. I think people just sort of roll with this idea that she's an evil mastermind because it's more sensational to say "most of HoloCN were evil backstabbers except the one good one" than the truth which is most of the nasty stuff was entirely the responsibility of the retarded 50 cent army spammers, Artia definitely incited them, maybe Doris did too, but everyone else was just sort of caught up in this crossfire.

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>>71219663
You are very clearly talking out of your ass about things you have no idea about and making claims that are in fact opposite to reality, or at best pretending to be retarded on purpose. Either way, there's no point arguing with you at this rate.

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>>71219526
>No one is guying to buy 'music by artist' forever anon! They need to expand outward from this trend!
You're being fucking retarded. Performance as a market only requires keeping up with trends and they're currently leading the charge by a huge margin. You think the global market of 'lonely men' is shrinking any time soon? You are genuinely actually brain damaged.

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>>71219543
>That and the news hearing his daughter being harassed online did relay back quickly during some meeting he was in with the other international officials personally addressing this?
No. You're thinking of the hundreds of rrats spawned by this >>71219752.
That was at some government trade council meeting.

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>>71219624
>Yes, and ignoring China in favor of better markets is helping with that. Abandoning bad markets is one of the things Cover did right.

I never said anything about China my dude. The original post I was laughing at the fact that people think Cover made the right decision at the time, but quickly forget the 20 bad decisions before they came to the right one. As I said, it doesn't matter what country the "expand" into, it's laughable we're even using the word "expand" because as a VIRTUAL youtuber, they literally exist everywhere at any time, the point is their main income driving element is oversaturated. The idol market in Japan has proven time and time again that eventually it's going to collapse onto itself and then some new thing is going to pop up. Cover is leveraged to the bone that this won't happen, which is going to be a total disaster when it does.

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>>71211945
He's a lawyer, grifting is his job

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>>71219708
Chinese women don't get laid so they buff their muffins to English-speaking vtubers

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>>71216231
Niji talents chooses money over other talents all the time though.

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>>71212000
sweetly sick girls of a terrible nation

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>>71219655
lol I remember that

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>>71212000
they were planning a coup but failed

[Anonymous No.]

why are the chinese such a poison in every fandom?

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219830
This piece of paper is an awfully convoluted way of saying "we're going to keep doing the same thing we've been doing, but now with a physical office!"

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>>71219899
And that's why they're reclining hard these days. Their previous #1 top dog is now holoEN tier, and their current #1 top dog needs a special event to compete with a regular Pekora stream in terms of viewers.

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>>71219825
They said both Artia and Civia.
Artia said when she watch WW movie.
Civia said when she encourage Aqua fags with Aqua songs

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>>71219842
>No one is guying to buy 'music by artist' forever anon!

Nigga did you just try to prove me wrong by posting the most obvious trend shift in the entertainment industry?

People don't buy music anymore, they stream it you fucking retard. Fucking boomer.

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>>71219955
I hope for your sake you're just pretending to be retarded, instead of being a manchild who doesn't know anything about business. Final (You).

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>>71212000
>Haato and Coco say Taiwan
>They target Coco because only Murican holo ATM
>They want Holo exclusive content because they are getting dripfed Aqua and Fubuki bilibili stuff weekly while JP gets stuff daily and Coco greets Japanese and Westerners (most noticeably, Americans) every single morning.
>Use Taiwan as excuse to pressure COVER day and night.
>Harass Coco with a Gorillion bots, deepfakes on NFSW and turboDoxxfaggin everyone they can, spread misinformation about other talents and even shit their chats if they dare mention "Dragon" at all or Coco and sometimes even Haachama who went into a suspension/rest
>Artia ends up commiting several fuck ups like watching "Dragon Warrior" (Look the movie up)
>Cover decides to pull out because even the other talents are getting hit by the blind fire, but the HoloCN girls are told by CN management that they are negotiating with COVER so they will keep their VTuber IPs.
>Bots, shitting, continues on turbo.
>Artia kermits SeventhTtrumphet tier yab that I won't detail.
>Cover who by this point had decided that China was indeed a huge risk after completely fucking over Coco and messing with the other Holos, decide to flash hybrid graduate/terminate HoloCN branch as fast as possible under YAGOO's orders.
>A fuckton of dirt about the CN girls surfaces, save for Yogiri and the hat girl (I think)
>Yogiri in particular is 400% innocent and was caught in the crossfire, she just wants to be an idol man, fucking sad
>Turns out HoloCN office lied and they told the girls that there were IP negotiations, there were never ANY at all, they just didn't want them to instantly leave.
>Girls find out the above mentioned
>Artia has a massive breakdown in an unarchived stream that to this day is still lost media even in Chinese circles who saw it live, there's only screenshots of the event with the CN members mocking her through the NicoNico-like hovering text
>Bots and antis PEAK in activity, even /vt/ became a sort of trench warfare battleground for a while with CNs trying to kill threads with coordinated bumps, derailing conversation and posting bullshit like roommate stuff and fake information. People being banned left and right for being retarded on both sides.
>So many bots hit Coco and even other vtubers and people that YT actually contacts Coco to test some obscure experimental antibot solutions they had been cooking but had not fully been able to test due to never encountering a situation to deploy them, now they had a proper test subject by accident.
>Coco activates antishield 9000 or whatever live
>Chat slowdowns considerably, Works at 70%, still at least it helps
>Bots and harassment, albeit slower and fewer, don't stop
>Coco, who had by this point been prescribed sleep aid meds to help her rest, breaks down due to pressure and announces graduation not long after (Infamous Kanata comforts Coco video happened a few days earlier if I'm not mistaken)
>Mind you, Hololive also had a minor hand in this pressure as she was practically collab and interaction shadowbanned to avoid the drama expanding HARD to other Holos, also her projects got shutdown repeatedly too.
>But in the end, the CN harassment is what truly made her decide to leave.
>Coco is kill
>CNs shit the board saying they won
>Some beyond truly retarded schizoantis mess with bilibili mods for cleaning up their shit and schizoposts all-around the platform because it is illegal or just breaks ToS.
>They doxx AND send death threats to bilibili mods and other CN dudes that want a ceasefire because it is over
>Power tripping and even thinking of messing with other VTuber corpos like NIJI
>A minor issue arises however...
>CN internet is heavily monitored
>CN authorities get involved after mods report bullshit of highest degree in-detail + the above mentioned
>Some people unironically get their PCs remotely shutdown or even arrested for cybercrimes
>Some unironically hide or try at least
>Some get citations or knocks on their doors and officers telling them to shut it down
>Everyone is scared shitless as the anti leaders get fucked one by one and the anti stuff slowly but surely dies down completely as weeks and then months go by
>Western anons beging a slow unorganized cleanup and report Github CN bot repositories, nfsw site deepfakes and twitter n other social media doxx posts to get them deleted for breaking ToS.
>Success, mostly.
>At least 1 to 3 recorded /vt/ instances of chinamen getting signed up to the PLA by an indo doxxschizo (probably bannde by now) anon who found and scoured accounts in Twitter by just identifyings writing patterns
>One guy went completely offline after that so people assume he got pulled into the army by force as he made some concern posts
Some of the events might not be entirely right in timeline terms but that's more or less what happened that I can remember to some degree.
There's also more Tia stuff but that's completely irrelevant unless she becomes a crypto overlord outta nowhere.

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>>71219934
Because of this bullshit.
It's so fucking common that they have a goddamn wikipedia article on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people

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>>71211945
China market is in shambles now, but during that time every US company was bending the knee to them. Cover was based.

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>>71220051
Ok, go ahead and explain to me what's going to be different then, since I obviously don't get it when they say "hey, we're going to be expanding into the US" despite the fact they have a whole slew of talents already there and the US already accounts for the majority of its current revenue.

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>>71220040
Yea and musicians don't make money anymore!
>Meanwhile Taylor Swift revenue
Oh no! There goes your whole retarded spiel again! But what about those economics anon! The economics!

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>>71219912
And some Tatsunokos infritrated them and got them doxxed in Twitter so they flee and use Russia 4ch but Russian hate them too ( they are Botanfags ) and CnSpammers got BTFOed

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I love how nobody here puts a single blame on Youtube after everything that happened :
>Not giving a single shit about the situation even though it could've affected the entirety of their livestreaming side
>Allowing literal bots to infiltrate their chat for almost a year
>Shitty moderation tools
Seriously I don't understand, that was big enough to be noticable by some of the higher ups and not a single person in there thought "What if this shit spreads to other Youtubers who streams?". Instead they went "Lemme remove the dislike number instead so they can't see how many dislikes are in our Youtube Rewind"

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>>71220152
No one ever said artists don't make money? I'm not talking about the artists, I'm talking about the corporations, industry, and market. All of which have pivoted 20 different times from different mediums and methods.

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>>71219980
I don't recall ever seeing that and can't find mention of that in the archives, so I can't verify whether that was the case or not. 100% Artia did say it, the screenshot was spread around all the time as it happened.

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>>71220196
what drugs are you on anon that you're trying to blame youtube for a geopolitical situation

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>>71220145
Merch and sale of physical goods is a big market for them. They are expanding that market into the US making things like managing stock and shipping much more effective and making it much easier to do physical sponsorships. There's more to it than that but I don't want to overload your tiny brain.

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>>71220196
It's actually a larger cyber-security issue that the US is not entirely united against... Yet.

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>>71220196
But YouTube was able to eventually suppress the bots to her (wide IP bans on vpns?). Chinese forums said the bots no longer work on her channel. But it didn't help the other talents, as it returned when she collabed with them, or if the other talents just mention Coco.

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>>71220248
>Oh shit I got totally called out on my retarded nonsense, better deflect with vague and non-specific grasping at straws
Nigger-kun, just knock it off, this is embarrassing.

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>>71220062
motherfuckers are literally writing essays and getting no (yous) because TLDR

[Anonymous No.]

Did the majority of chinks actually get mad over Youtube analytics saying Taiwan or did a minority ruin it for everyone in the country?

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>>71218444
She is smarter mastermind than Artia

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>>71220325
It's not about being political, as >>71220382 said. How can you overlook the sheer potential of the security breach that could happen?

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>>71220152
Not sure what all this argument is about so I won't comment on it, but I just wanna say that using TayTay as an example of your average musician is silly since she's the biggest current act.

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>>71214315
>Coco got more shit thrown at her for being half american
If it was about an American mentioning Taiwan, then why didn't anyone care when Ame did the exact same thing and read her analytics a few days before and mentioned Taiwan viewers? https://youtu.be/N9G9FfNP20g?t=300
There was no blowback, no suspension, and the video remains on her channel to this day, unedited.

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>>71220355
>They are expanding that market into the US making things like managing stock and shipping much more effective and making it much easier to do physical sponsorships

So....instead of chipping their products from China to the consumer in the US, they're going to ship the product from China, to an office (lol) in the us, then to the consumer?

Sounds streamlined to me.

Anyway, you literally parroted what I already said. >>71219663

It isn't expansion. They're not creating new revenue, they're simply (attempting to) trim the fat.

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>>71220546
because Ame is American and Coco is evil Japanese-American

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>>71220062
>The batshit insane antis who were botting and harassing got executed
And people still say the Chinese government sucks
Those same antis would get away with their crimes in the West because "freedom"

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>>71220108
That will never NOT be funny.
Not to mention, it kills a lot of their arguments.
>>71219708
There's a massive gender imbalance in China.
There's a ton of men who will never get married because there's not enough women, and some women will never get married because they are ultraturboschizo femcels.
There's a lot of market for stuff like this. But it comes at the cost of the fanbase ruining your reputation outtanowhere.
>>71219752
It really was some weird time.

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>>71220523
It's a cultural issue. Unfortunately, it's extremely common. See >>71220108

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>>71220453
So you're saying that because artists (vtubers) still make money, that corporations don't have to worry about being able to expand? Uh...anon.

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>>71220543
It's a comment about the size of the market in terms of potential profit and the amount of money people are willing to put down for music, not 'the average musician'.

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>>71220528
Because lobbying and corruption. Even motherfucking Boeing is involved.
All-in-all, one of these days a "nothing ever happens" will become an "It's happening" all over again.

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>>71218847
you must have a quarterly attention span. maybe all this worship of growth will create a tumor to deal with you

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>>71220575
Right, nevermind, you keep on eating rocks anon.

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>>71220669
>So you're saying
If that's how you open your statement you know you lost. Thanks for the confession. Keep on grasping nigger-kun.

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the shit with Taiwan is just pretty scary overall and the way Chinks are conditioned to sperg at a country that is literally 100x weaker and smaller than them is quite batshit insane in a way, but that's all thanks to hypermodernity I guess. Taiwan is probably culturally closer to Japan now than to the mainland, and now you have the funny situation of China refusing Taiwan's renouncement of teritorial claims in the mainland because the other side wants to keep the facade of the ghost of Kuomintang. Taiwan already dropped their claims in Mongolia and are even willing to give back some of the islands that are nautically closer to the mainland back to China, but Beijing refuses to do so

[Anonymous No.]

sickening that the better holo talent and an entire cn branch actually retired/got fired from this drama while chama got off freely with a suspension. meanwhile mel and rushia also got fired for breaking nda, chama's drama actually hits the whole jp branch with people mass unsubbing.

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>>71220313
Because I can read Chinese language and Civia used Chinese language said it and encourage spammers. She said in B2stations after Aqua's song was leaked by Aqua TL group.

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>>71220612
Even worse fate actually.
They got their organs extracted while still alive.
You wouldn't believe the amount of political prisoners in China 24/7.
There's a demand, and has been going on for years. Even the world fucking war Z book discussed this well known issue.
Wasn't this a vtuber board?, I was about to talk about how Aqua and FBK lost huge revenue when this happened.

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>>71220717
Yeah except that anon is ignoring the fact that we're talking about corporations, not individuals. His argument right now is basically "the market is dying because kson made money". It's not about kson making money, it's about Vshojo making money. It's not about how much Taylor Swift makes it's about whether or not UMG makes money. And for UMG to make money off of people like Taylor Swift, they need to find new markets. Such as switching from CD's to digital audio. Or switching from physical sales of albums, to selling individual songs like with the apple music. Or even now switching from individual songs being sold to licensing agreements for streaming websites.

Vtubing is not immune to these trends. It needs to be able to expand to allow consumers to consume more and new content, which it's incapable of. Individual vtubers wills till earn money over time, less and less of it though, and corporations will fade unless they find a new trend.

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>>71220959
fuck off sister. you are so bad at this.

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>>71220717
Using her as an example is still dumb, though.
If that market size and potential was available for everyone, Taylor wouldn't be such a phenomenon. She's like the biggest thing since Elvis and MJ.

[Anonymous No.]

she was my first Oshi damnit and I lost her because of that giant ass obscene Coco. I will never forgive her for what she took from me

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>>71212000
>haachama read her analytics and said taiwan outloud because a bunch of chinese viewers were using vpns to watch youtube which boosts taiwan in the analytics
>they get mad at her and she gets put on a suspension which is just a covert break to try and let the hate die down
>chinese holofans hated coco since she debuted because she's an american and refused to stream on bilibili which was standard for holomems to do since they had a massive chinese audience from way before holoen debuted
>coco decides to read her analytics and also says taiwan outloud
>psychotic chinese fans think coco is intentionally saying taiwan to piss them off for harassing haachama and coupled with their existing hate for her already, they use it as an excuse to create a massive harassment campaign and start running spam bots which flood her twitter tags with gore, and the youtube chat of her/anyone she interacts with tons of spam
>coco goes on a suspension like haachama and cover put out statements, the chinese statement is completely different than the one that was put out in japanese and is pandering to the chinese
>shit happens with holocn members, some of them watch a movie called wolf warrior or something like that, which is a dog whistle to continue harassing coco
>holocn members post on their personal bilibili accounts to hold the line, which is more similar language encouraging the harassment
>coco comes back to streaming and she tries modding some of her viewers to help quell the harassment, but ends up modding a chinese viewer who starts banning a bunch of her fans and she has a complete mental breakdown on stream and kanata has to come to console her
>cover eventually decide they have to stop doing business in china and all of holocn graduate shortly after
probably missing some shit, this is just off the top of my head

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>>71220872
No it's how I try to gently put that you're fucking retarded if you don't understand the relationship between vtuber and corpo, and artist and music label, when I'm talking about corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

So much misinformation itt

[Anonymous No.]

>>71220959
let me guess, Pippa fan?

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>>71221123
Well clearly you didn't oshi her hard enough because she resurfaced afterwards... and apparently the chinks turned on her because she face revealed and wasn't hot enough for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71220743
What's Boeing got to do with all this? Sorry, brain plain gave up in connecting the dots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221214
>resurfaced
I don't believe in that reincarnation bs. I loved Artia not a skinwalker

[Anonymous No.]

Do people actually think that because an artist is successful that their company is too? lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221318
...Eh? Weird, but you do you.

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>>71221020
"Vtuber board" Something like that, I suppose.
The entire company lost huge revenue opportunities when CN exploded. The number of potential collabs and sponsorships with JP businesses/organizations shrank by over 75% because those weak Japanese didn't want to offend China

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221318
>I don't care about the person. I only loved the brand
I bet you buy Apple products

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>>71221050
Why Yagoo focuses on building IP. Yesterday's release is about increasing profits from merch and selling IP rights, than the concerts and streaming.
Gura doesn't have to perform to quickly sell out merch in Sendai and Taiwan. Cover keeps underestimating her.

[Anonymous No.]

TLDR : HoloCN are bad actors and traitors who want Hololive's demise. They were organizing harrasment campainge and contact " honor benefactors" NijiSister for attacking Coco and Hololive members as whole.

This is unseen shadow wars between "Who want to protect Hololive" versus " Who want to destroy them"

[Anonymous No.]

>>71220988
If you say so, I'd prefer to actually see it rather than just take some anon's word for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221443
Merch has already been the biggest part of their sales, and that isn't going to change. This is a nothing burger.

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>>71221050
>It needs to be able to expand to allow consumers to consume more and new content, which it's incapable of
Anon, you're so full of shit it's getting ridiculous.
Hololive is not even 6 y.o. and it expanded its market tremendously, just look at the upcoming Holofes: they have a huge venue with an expo, they are catering to tourists and they have involved Honeyworks in it.

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>>71221169
I hope LM isn't getting his "info" from /here/, all I'm learning from this is that holo hatred always has a chink element

[Anonymous No.]

>>71219244
>2 Canadians now in Japan
>2 Canadians still in Canada
>1 Australian in Japan
>1 American in Japan
>1 Japanese in Japan
>1 Euro in Europe
>7 Americans in America
America dominates and it's not even close

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>>71221150
>It's how I sperg my headcanon and pretend it's you!
Yes anon. I know, that's what I said.
>B-but the relationship between corpo and talent!
Lol. Did you actually have a point or were you going to continue to gesture vaguely at concepts and pretending they agree with you when previously you tried to argue there was no money in music anymore? Because that's honestly pretty fucking funny nigger-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221550
Exactly, why it's not going to affect the talent's salary as music artists that I'm replying to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71220937
They can't actually
There's no influx of migrants to China 24/7, just people trying to escape other countries like NK by crossing China.
Meanwhile the US and company have migrant flow all the time.
In case "it blows" and everything in the SCS goes sideways, the CN goverment is actually at a loss because of the one child policy meaning any dead soldier means a completely severed family tree if said soldier had no kids, and no quick replacements ready, which could lead to interal instability QUICKLY, that's why they have not jumped Taiwan yet, there's a lot to lose, also there' already a demographic collapse so losing more men and possible kids even after the 1 child policy has been lifted means that right now, any sort of military action, unless swift and effective will derivate into a potential collapse scenario for their country.
The worst is not losing people, but China suddenly getting export banned EVERYWHERE, including the states, Europe, and most of Asia, where do you even get money from if you can't ship shit?. from nowhere, and suddenly you are the Soviet Union while fighting the Arabs and will fall almost if not into 3rd world category in less than 20 years after being defeated either by CIA funded insurgents or by a coalition.
>Implying bombs wouldn't fly immediately
I always hope that doesn't happen, I still hope, will never stop hopping that doesn't happen and they decide to sacrifice numbers instead of countries instantly. I hope with my soul that doesn't happen. I pray, I will never stop praying that never happens. For many reasons, the one that sticks the most for this board's schtik?
The Holos wouldn't make it. None of them. Not even the ex-CNs. "It's over" would fall short. Guaranteed.
Sora wouldn't make it.

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>>71221484
wait... it's all chinks?

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>>71221573
LM gets his info from his chat anon, why do you think his 'fans' here get laughed out of the room. The dude is comically inept and seems to be playing out "babies first grift" and somehow these morons still don't notice the massive red flags.

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>>71221516
Sadly, Official account was deleted by 2Bstation and if I send my pic without official accout exist you may think this pic was photoshoped.

But Civia mod acoounts still exist. You can find evidences of my claim in there accounts.

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>>71221565
You keep saying expanded the market, I don't think you understand what that means
Hiring talent from a new country isn't expanding. It would be if everything they were doing was exclusive to the country they are in. But they are an ONLINE DIGITAL media company. They already exist everywhere. They aren't bringing in new money because they hired Sally the Singer from Argentina. They are bringing in new money by creating new methods of consumption

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>>71221790
Anon. They are literally doing performances for aquariums and shit. What the fuck are you talking about 'expanding'? Can you stop with the retarded nigger version of economics already? I've seen unicorns with more coherent rhetoric than this garbled nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221738
This is 1 of spamming discord was destroyed by Bahamut and Tatsunokoes.

This one is Artia's spamming Discord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221683
The conversation has never been about talents, it's back to a post some anonade about Holo being successful.

This is how I can tell this thread is flooded with SEA, because they're incapable of separating individuals from groups. A company can have a wildly successful product and still be failing long term

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221790
Did you even read what I wrote?
Or am I talking to a chatGPT?

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>>71221684
>...the one child policy meaning any dead soldier means a completely severed family tree if said soldier had no kids
People do not think about this often enough, nor bring it up often enough.
China can use any form of pressure, except committing large numbers of ground troops.
>The worst is not losing people, but China suddenly getting export banned EVERYWHERE, including the states, Europe, and most of Asia, where do you even get money from if you can't ship shit?
Also, China is not self-sufficient in energy or food, and Russia alone can't save them on either count.
>I always hope that doesn't happen, I still hope, will never stop hopping that doesn't happen and they decide to sacrifice numbers instead of countries instantly. I hope with my soul that doesn't happen. I pray, I will never stop praying that never happens.
Same. Even if someone is a 'murrican turbo-nationalist, they need to realize how fucking bad their life is going to be with 20+% inflation when no one can buy things from China.
China would have it bad, the US would be less bad, but the world in general would be worse for the average human basically everywhere.

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>>71221968
They've been doing that for years already dipshit. It's no different from any other idol industry in Japan. Nothing is original, it's copy paste.

Step 1 - find cute girls that can do cute things
Step 2 - Market them endlessly
Step 3 - Live shows and merch
Step 4 - slowly replace talent as they die out
Step 5 - pray you continue to keep interest or slowly die out

[Anonymous No.]

>>71221284
Chinese remotely hacking planes, apparently it has happened several times already but they just stopped doing it after confirming they can.
The nightmare scenario would be
>Taiwan situation happens
>Every single plane in the US gets "9/11" by the Chinese to strategic places all around the US
>Because it is not just Boeing, but several companies that make the software sold the backdoors to the Chinese for profit
>Planes in several NATO and allied countries get hijacked
>"I have it locked on, sir, orders?"
Would you approve downing god knows how many civilain airliners?
The rabbit hole goes deeper, maybe even every single computer with apps like Star Rail or Genshin could get bricked if they are outside China. Phones, tablets, remotely detonating or completely bricking tech or even using it to create chaos with misinformation or routing people into target zones.
By that point, even a radio would be safer than trusting your phone.
It's almost schizo shit but after "that Island we all know of", a lot of stuff turned out to be true. And suspected stuff is true. Automated vehicles, even wifi ovens, all of that, if chinese made or if there's a backdoor, suddenly it works against you. Forever or until destroyed.
Man, the Holos stand no chance, Otakus like FBK would get fucked, Arknights backdoor.
Goddamn geopolitics.

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>>71221977
I salute the multiple Tatsunoko who spent all of their free time reporting every account on Twitter, YouTube, anywhere, and infiltrating them to fuck with them. I almost wish I knew Mandarin so that I could have helped, but then I would know Mandarin.
I technically do, but only traditional writing and I have forgotten 80% of it in adulthood.

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>>71222276
Never use chinese in a professional setting or it will be known to your boss, and they will send you to deal with Chinese all your life.

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>>71222276
Actually interesting side note. LIHKG is the HK version of reddit. Because people from mainland were infiltrating it during the HK protests people started writing in the romaji equivalent of Cantonese instead of Chinese characters in order to syphon out infiltrators

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>>71221981
Anycolor is down the hall, they're willing to live and die by the quarter if it irks you to see entertainment first. fiscal frauds like you that figured it out yet still live /here/ should get laughed out of life

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>>71221758
Still seething sis?

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>>71222420
>people started writing in the romaji equivalent of Cantonese instead
Ahahahahahaha beautiful.
>>71222400
Thankfully (1) I am my own boss for now, and (2) it isn't good enough to use professionally. I could survive if I had to, but not professionally and only in Taiwan (I can only read/write traditional).

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>>71222450
>entertainment first
People actually think cover is like this. Lol

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>>71222562
>only in Taiwan (I can only read/write traditional).
Nicely done anon.

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>>71219859
People keep saying this, and while it's a funny sentence, sure, and I don't like lawyers, does the YouTube grifting of him and others actually have anything to do with being one, or is this really just modern YouTube bare-minimum-for-clicks content output?

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>>71221981
You compared with Music groups like UMG.
And I'm saying Cover is selling IP.

They are different. It's not that hard.

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>>71222596
I think you have nothing else left in your life but rope

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>>71222687
So you're saying the record company, which owns the songs, isn't selling IP. k

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>>71222642
It's the latter. Most lawyers don't even do the things "lawyers" are hated for.
Most of them doing boring contract shit, corporate law, and so on.

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>>71222767
Cover has said numerous times that songs are not profitable. It's used to promote IP.

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>>71222821
It's not about Cover's songs, are you retarded? Music industry -> selling music as artist marketing as IP
Vtuber industry -> selling merch and their own characters as IP

They're both selling IP anon. You can't argue that Cover is different because they're selling IP, they're literally both selling IP. That's what all corpo's do, they sell their IP.

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>>71222189
K. So what kind of expansion are you even talking about then, because you keep dodging any kind of specifics. It's painfully obvious you're just talking out of your ass and genuinely have no real clue. You're a serial bullshitter anon and it's kind of boring now.

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>>71222821
There's a few vtubers that have managed to make bank with only a single song.
I don't think even Suisei managed to turn a profit with her albums, the concert and merch is where it is at.

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>>71222276
We invent bot for reporting too so it's become Bot wars. We just copy those ID and links and Bot will do the rest until they got banned. Elon era is better in this matter

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>>71223010
It's the same for 99% of musicians. They don't make money off of streaming or albums. They make money off of concerts and merch. Their margin on merch is stupidly high. Tshirts in large bulk cost them like 50 cents and they sell them for 50 bucks. Even if the label takes 50% of a cut, they still make hundreds of thousands of dollars on tshirt sales.

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>>71223087
I salute you.

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>>71222953
The profits isn't much from albums and songs, and while there is revenue from concerts through sponsorships. They are focusing on increasing merch and licensing.

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>>71211945
he is not doing a good coverage this time, most of his audience and helpers are tribalfags holobronies.

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>>71223087
>Bot wars

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>>71223545
>This time
As opposed to what other time exactly? The time he commented on a Canadian's situation only to get rumbled by an actual Canadian lawyer? The time he took a worthless document and did a 'serious' analysis of it pretending it was a real contract?

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nijiseethe

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>>71222276
old times
yes i am spice, any problem bitch?

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>>71222787
>Most lawyers don't even do the things "lawyers" are hated for.
>Most of them doing boring contract shit, corporate law, and so on.
You know what, that's fair. Even I don't care about people defending people I don't like as their job because I'm not that petty and retarded.
What rubs me the wrong way is lawyers being stupid complacent and... "matter-of-fact?" when off-the-clock and talking in public about things like certain things like copyright law, but I'll acknowledge that A) most lawyers also probably do not do this and, B) it can make sense to not care beyond what the writing(law, contract) says and what the client wants from their point of view, even if it makes them look like a stonecold golem

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>>71219017
First half of post is correct, but they did go after fubuki. Nga forum was never locked too. The holo threads were kinda banned in the beginning at the of the yab but the bugs were posting in other related threads.

.t actual nga user

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>>71224318
it was locked no idea what you're on about

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>>71224065
sry i dont speak third world

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>>71223497
Seriously, are you like incapable of reading? I've literally never said their songs had anything to do with anything.