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Figured I'd keep this ball rolling of discussion and information exchange from the previous thread:
>>732492
>>732492
>>732492

That way it also keeps any further Alternative talk from spilling into other threads. A containment zone, if you prefer.

>> No.807773
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807773

>>807548
When is the Marine manga supposed to be released anyway?
I know it will be release slowly in twitter

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>>807548
I'm calling it now, season finale will be a cliff hanger where, through smoke and rubble, you see an outline of an unknown character, they turn around to reveal that they're the one and only Mano Aloe. Cut to black, roll credits, see you next season.

>> No.807945

>>807861
Hitomi Chris

>> No.808017

>>807548
>HoloEarth
Does anyone know more about this? It seems to be like the rough draft for this thing.
https://youtu.be/Lcb5_KlZMIc?t=333

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>>808017
It was an artbook that was released at Comiket. Supposedly a lot of the artwork featured in it serves as the base outline for HoloALT.

>> No.808352

>>807861
Mano will be part of Nene's tragic backstory of carrying on a lost friend's dreams and ambitions.

>> No.808371

So, the mad lads are finally going to do it... they'll make le cute anime girls real.

>> No.808441

>>807773
No clue as of yet. Might be wise to keep an eye on Mizuryu's Twitter since he's the one drawing it.

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>>808371
Its kind of surprising how some 30 second of animation got all the girls super excited about a possible anime or game, not to mention the fanbases actively wanting to participate or even fund the damn thing.
Even some Niji vtubers were reacting to it, which was pretty amusing.
It should be interesting where this goes.

>> No.808762

>>808630
Apparently FBK has been posting fanfictions nonstop on her twitfeed since the day that teaser dropped.

>> No.808958

>>808762
Saw that, her ideas for Roboco and Flare/Noel are actually pretty good, I hope she is involved in the writing.

>> No.809124

>>808762
>>808958
>>808630
It's pretty fun when stuff like this happens and it reinforces just how much these girls are massive dorks like the rest of us.

>> No.809313

I'm honestly surprised that the Goblin Slayer mangaka is involved with this
I had no idea he was such a simp for vtubers or that he was one himself

>> No.809693

>>809313
It's safe to say that vtubing has taken off pretty much given it's pretty much the middle-ground of everyone's latent (sub)conscious desire to become anime as fuck themselves.

>> No.809922

>>809124
Noel was really getting into it and even stopped herself saying how she became an otaku for a moment.

>> No.811755
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Subaru being frustrated that she is just a regular girl with no powers but still wants to join in battle, so she might add new stuff to her lore, was pretty cute.

>> No.811789

>>811755
Mahou shoujo outfit incoming?

>> No.811864

Lamy might be the most excited for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4fRPqB8NYU&t=26s
I hope Gen 5 and EN and ID are included too.

>> No.811906

>>808441
I'm still amazed that he managed to get the job by just drawing enough porn/fanart of Marine

>> No.811937

>>811789
Who knows, she says she is going to have a whole stream for it soon, and her members are already giving her suggestions for her magical new lore.
Sounds fun, might have to tune in.

>> No.811969

>>811906
Marine herself being such a pervert and making her own hentai manga, seems fitting someone like him would be making her official manga.

>> No.812218

>>811755
>>811789
>>811937
We need to make sure to remind her of her Dawn of the Breakers cameo with the Iron Man gloves, since she's such a massive Marvel fangirl: https://youtu.be/PcgX3q8zoyU

Maybe mix it in with the mahou shoujo so that she transforms into a magical girl with star-shooting gauntlets. She can even work in her whole 'Smartphone Magic' gimmick she's got now where she sounds more girly and soft-spoken for ASMR when she holds her phone to her ear.

>> No.812248

>>808298
>tfw these fans are more dedicated than you
I don't even know what Neo Gothic is.

>> No.812329
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>>812248
It's an architecture style that kicked off in the mid-1700's and was pretty popular in the 1800's. Also usually called Victorian Gothic as a result.

>> No.812370

>>812218
Superchat her

>> No.812439
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>>812370
I'm broke, anon.

I sent her a marshmallow instead, so maybe that'll float its way to the top.

..I say, fully expecting it to be buried beneath 500,000 messages of "cough more swan lady."

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>>811755
we were talking about this in duckthread, if there is no Shubangelion in HoloALT i am rioting at cover HQ

>> No.815903

>No ENs
I sleep

Seriously though, it's about time someone took advantage of all the lore the characters accumulate as they grow

>> No.816018

>>815589
See >>812218

Shubangelion can be her 'Ultimate Finisher' that she summons. Regular fighting duck should be Magical Iron Swan.

>> No.821300

>>815903
No ENs and IDs
Sucks because I really like Reine, and I know she will be ignored as well.

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Powerlevel estimated (JP only)
>High tier
Roboco
Aki
Choco
Shion
Noel
Kanata
Botan
>Mid tier
Miko
Mel
Fubuki
Ayame
Mio
Rushia
Marine
Flare
Coco
Towa
Lamy
Aqua
>Tatican tier
Pekora
Luna
Watame
Nene
>Sol tier
Matsuri
Okayu
Subaru
Suisei
Korone
Azki
Polka
Hatto
>Meme tier
Korone (endurance modo)
Hachama
Suisei (bloodlust activated)
Matsuri (forma de DIO)
Pink-haired Rushia (behind 7000 fandeads)
Void Fubuki
Kiryu "No Chang allowed" Coco
Watame (did nothing wrong)
Super Hyper Ultra Ultimate Deluxe Perfect Amazing Shining God 東方不敗 Master Ginga Victory Strong Cute Beautiful Galaxy Baby 無限 無敵 無双 Nenechi

>> No.822902

>>815903
EN hasn't stuck to their characters at all, a holoAlt version would actually be entertaining.

>> No.822913

>>811755
Witch might be stepping into Shion territory but a duck witch could be fine. Maybe give her earth powers so she could a duck sand-witch.

>> No.822953

>>822840
>Aki in high when she's just a drunk sci-fi half-elf
>Botan in high when she uses mostly conventional weaponry
>Aqua who is just a maid (not even a good one) in mid
>Nekomata Okayu and DOG GOD CORONET a yokai and kami in SOL

>> No.823006

>>822953
>Nekomata Okayu and DOG GOD CORONET a yokai and kami in SOL
Read their profiles anon, they are just ramdom animals, also i based it on the HoloAlt trailer

>> No.823024

>>822953
>Aki in high when she's just a drunk sci-fi half-elf
Yeah but have you seen her hip attacks?

>> No.823286

>>822840
Marine is way too high there

>> No.825469

If this project resulted in an anime/ova, would voice acting training be a good or a bad thing for the talents?
I've never seen an voice actor stream a game so i don't know if they sound good or fake

>> No.826530

>>822840
>no sora

>> No.826565

>>825469
If you told a chuuba last year
>you're gonna be a game/anime seiyuu in a year's time
Would they believe you? From watching Holo no Graffiti though, most of them could definitely benefit from seiyuu training, EN and ID included

>> No.827233

>>826530
>>822840
Sora is protag tier

>> No.827983 [DELETED] 

>>807548
If this is some kind of animation project the logistics behind making it are going to be a fucking nightmare

>> No.828025

>>827983
I assume it's going to be a gacha game, much to many peoples disappointment

>> No.828040

>>826565
I think noone believed hololive would ever get this big, including cover.
I'd imagine talents like Miko, Marine and fubuki are ecstatic seeing as they wanted to voice act

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>>808958
Hopefully they’ll animate badass roboco

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>>807548
Which girls do you think will move a smooth transition into voice acting for the anime and which ones won't

>> No.828865

>>811755
Is that what Marine was doing today, with her "profile" stream?

>> No.828882

>>828025
If it has anywhere near decent game mechanic, I could see a gacha making them a ton of money.

>> No.828886
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>>811755
So holo version of this?

>> No.828894

>>826565
>EN and ID included
Didn't several them worked or work in voice acting though?

>> No.828911

>>828886
Oh shit I remember that anime, it got pretty cool despite its cute exterior

>> No.828949

>>826565
>game seiyuu
But they’ve already been in games since 2019...

>> No.828959

>>828609
Korone and Marine will do fine if their skit uploads are any indication

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>>811864
Love how many scenarios she already has created for her and her gen, I hope if there is ever an anime or game, these girls have some says in their character's actions or dialogue.

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830393

If anything else it should give us some cool fanart

>> No.830521

Mion having fire magic powers, opposed to Fbk's ice magic is a pretty cool addition

>> No.830545

>>830521
>Fire & Ice
>Black & White
>Wolf & Fox

>> No.831279
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831279

Interesting that Gamers will have two OP characters for action content, and two others who will for sure be relegated to slice of life stuff.

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831357

>>811755
Prease...

>> No.831378

>>831357
Can someone remind this duck that she already has Iron Man gear on a previous game, she can make it more Shuba related.

>> No.831582

>>831279
Don't underestimate the Inugami Bakery Arc

>> No.831627
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Can we talk about how OP Noel is? If she has magic resist she'll be unstoppable.

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>>831582
I can see her as a semi joke joke type character that suddenly brings out elite boxing skills.

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>>831627
I had no clue she was supposed to be this strong

>> No.831902

>>808630
>Even some Niji vtubers were reacting to it, which was pretty amusing.
do we have more reaction firm other Niji or Vtuber in general

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>>831627
>the ability to bend muscle past normal human limits
How powerful...

>> No.832082

Why would they exclude EN when its one of their biggest and fastest rising Gens though?

>> No.832097
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832097

>>822840
I beg to differ

>> No.832126

>>832097
>this was before Hachama's awekening and the PV

>> No.832147

>>832082
bloom.jpeg

>> No.832160

>>832082
Animation takes time. it's likely when this was being made EN wasn't solidified yet.

>> No.832218

>>811755
she wont pilot the shubangelion?

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>>811864
If you haven't seen, after she talked about Alternative including a scenario of Polka's she got a bunch of fanart relating to it. So now she's actually recruiting fanart and ideas for their own Alternative and will show them off with Polka on 2/27.
https://twitter.com/yukihanalamy/status/1363010101104140290

>> No.832512

>>831279
>slice of life
if this is a prequel series we'll see korone beating up kids and bullying them for their money in dark alleys

>> No.832806

>>831721
Holy fuck, so she went easy on Coco in the pv

>> No.833640

>>828894
I don’t think so. I think Gura did some training though

>> No.833719

>>832806
Coco is a fucking jobber...

>> No.834721

>>823006
They're literally a nekomata and inugami.

>> No.834812

>>828609
Korone, Marine, Miko, Subaru and Haato are my immediate first picks for not needing much training, if any at all.

Fubuki, Ayame, Aki and Polka might need a tiny bit of training but are otherwise pretty solid.

Not sure where I'd place the other girls.

>> No.834875

>>831378
Someone managed to superchat it at her, though I think they were using a translator cause it sounds like the Japanese was all busted, according to Subaru. But she did catch the mention of Iron Man and the name of the game, and seemed to get the gist of it.

>> No.834942

>>831279
>>831582
>>831692
Plot-twist is that she's a powerful inugami that decided to retire and lead a normal life, Devil Is A Part-Timer style.

>> No.835057

Since Cover is calling for artists to help the world building what are some prime candidates that will most likely step up? My pick is So-bin considering he's already done art for the EN girls.

>> No.835197

>>835057
Maybe huke? He's already got experience in that field.

>> No.836857

>>833640
Gura and Ame both have VA credits on several indi animation and games

>>832399
>>811864
>>829087
I had no clue Lamy was this much of a dork

>>834942
>Devil Is A Part-Timer style.
Where is my second season?
Anyway, that would be a cool idea to tie in with real life lore.

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>>835197
Surely he is involved in some way, right? I mean, the dude is always at Kiara's chat.
Hell, Kiara, Ame and Gura have several very dedicated artists, would be very surprised if they are not helping to world build a bit.

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>>807945
>Chris appears as the true villain orchestrating all the yabs from behind the shadows in the last episode
KINO

>> No.837043

>>835197
>>836968
Kiara is his worst work though

>> No.837047

>>834875
I hope she remembers you could tell how excited she is for this thing but also sad that her character is just a regular girl.
For someone who love superheroes so much, surprised she didn't have her avatar be something related to that.

>> No.837099

>>811755
Subachama?

>> No.837119

>>836983
Perfect evil genius look with those glasses

>> No.837149

>>836983
what if she SUCKED that cock?

>> No.837500

>>837047
Yeah. The basic premise that was shot her way was something about her smartphone, magical girl and the Iron Man parody. Maybe using her phone to transform?

>> No.838922
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Why was Rushia left out?

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What do they eat?

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>>838922
Would have been great to see her raising some dead, but there wasn't enough time to feature everyone. We didn't even get anyone from gen 5.

>> No.843226

>>839298
Angels?
Grass and Dragon puss

>> No.843465

I hope the finished music video is long enough to give all the girls some time to shine.

>> No.843906

>>843465
I guess it'll depend on if it'll feature the short version of the song or the full version of the song.

If it's the short version then expect the video to be about 1:30'ish in length. If it's the full version between 3-5 minutes.

>> No.843987

>>843906
huh? there are two versions now?

>> No.844019

>>843465
I'm optimistically hoping for all gens 1 - 4 and gamers, but I have a feeling a few will be skipped for the constraints of featured minimally

>> No.844026

>>843906
A 5 minute fully animated music video seems a bit much, even if we'd all love it.

>> No.844085

>>811755
Subaru will be the normal girl that gets isekaied into Hololive Alternative. The story won't revolve around her but she's the viewpoint character.

>> No.844188

>>843987
Cover frequently releases short versions of their original songs first, and then puts the full versions up for sale.

>> No.844216

>>844026
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Three minutes might be the maximum possibility, if we're really, really lucky.

>> No.844523

>>807861
Since they still own the character itself, they could put her in an anime/manga/game.

Would make them look worse, but they could do it.

>> No.845015

>>844523
Didn't she technically leave of her own accord since she wasn't emotionally stable enough to handle what had happened (on top of having pre-existing problems).

I know she's doing better now and has gone back to her own indie stuff, but maybe she could reapply to revive her position someday if she was ever so inclined?

>> No.845684

>>845015
as far as I know she has an open invitation to come back, however unlikely

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>>844026
Why is Cover so weak?

>> No.846489

>>844085
Matsuri and Subaru would be perfect for this since they pretty much just play themselves.

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>>807861
If Aloe feels she'd be permaspammed by antis worse than Coco or doxxed again, but she still wants to be part of hololive, she could just be the VA for her character.
No need to throw away the whole thing, just dont stream and only do shit for the anime and the videogames and release one song every two weeks. Azki does it and shes fine.

>> No.847854

>>845684
That's what I thought too, yeah. Also agree on the unlikely.

But it's not so bad to know that the door is open for her to return one day.

>> No.847962

>>846766
Antis already forgot about her, bro

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>>822840
>JP only
Yeah because the ENs are probably on a league of their own.
Iina, Cali and Kiara are probably on a whole new tier that they maaaay share with Kanata and Gura would probably be on High tier.
Whenever the plot makes them show up for the first time shit would go down and Amelia's time travel powers would probably make her integral to the plot as well.

>> No.849170

>>847962
I think you underestimate the autistic need that people on the internet have to hate someone.

Even if they forgot about her all they need is news that she's back to suddenly decide they're pissed off all over again like an utter autistic wretch.

I should know, I feel that way about Nyanners.

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So, if this thing is ever turned into an anime, Sora would be the main character, right?

>> No.852741

>>832097
Why is the vampire at the halfway point between eldritch and pure? Also, Ayame is a war demon, how is she pure? This list is ass.

>> No.852763

>>838922
This is just a teaser, right? There's more on the way.

>> No.852819

>>848793
Kiara isn't actually that powerful. She can't die, but you can still capture her.

I'd actually put Amelia pretty high up with her time traveling.

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>>852191
I like to think so.

People might not know her as well, but ironically enough that might work in her favour. She does put off a lot of that 'protagonist energy', especially with her strangely unflappable attitude (see: horror games, her reaction to Adam in NieR Automata, her response to Aqua's rebellion in Minecraft).

She's what you'd call a very good all-rounder too, both in terms of singing, dancing and presumably acting (she has a good stage presence as well).

She did cameo in Azur Lane at least, if you need an idea for what her seiyuu basics are like: https://youtu.be/HtgCQodKxAU

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I hope we get some cool gun stuff with holos like Botan and Roboco, jap sword autism is cool and all but there's a serious lack of exagerrated gun-fu and shit in anime/manga

>> No.853192

>>853146
If Subaru gets the Iron Man gloves I imagine we'll end up having a fairly spread out mix of content.

>> No.853970

>>807548
Anon, I wanna navigate the tag, but there are bugs there now. What do I do?

>> No.855117

>>853146
Huge missed opportunity not putting Botan in this image
>Russian outfit
>Russian fanbase
>best at shooters, especially CoD

>> No.855126

>>853146
why isn't aloe the player character when they get killed at the end of the mission

>> No.857197

Since apparently they started talking about this in April 2020, there's a good chance it will only include up to gen 4, no Ids or ens or 5. Or maybe they might just add the rest in quick small frames, like watching the battle from afar or some shit.

>> No.857392

>>832806
>>833719
Coco is just a basic dragon

>> No.857426

>>855117
Botan PoV mayby?

>> No.857460

>>808298
HOLY FUCK THIS IS AUTISM

>> No.857497

>>831627
She is the dark souls protag.
Her power is maximum

>> No.857526

>>857497
>Str + high poise
Hope she DS1 protag

>> No.857575

>>857426
I feel that it would be better if Botan is Makarov and Aloe is PoV

>> No.859892

>>857197
They said that if was well received that they would animate it into a full length video, so I imagine the finish product is months away, they might be able to include the most recent gens.

>> No.860036
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I wonder if they would be included, If there is anime or game at some point. I imagine they would be more of background characters there to help worldbuild and fill out the cast, considering the set up of a "whole modern city isekaid to some medieval walled kingdom" they have a lot to develop and flexibility.

>> No.860859

>>857197
>no Ids or ens or 5
That would be a shame, Lamy is one of the ones who is the most excited for this, even has a future stream dedicated to it.

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>>860859
Browsing her new tag is a lot of fun, I love this chuuni stuff.

>> No.862232

>>861898
I loved how she was creating all these scenarios with her and Botan being cool.

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I really hope some of the other girls will make cameos on the Marine manga.

>> No.864120

>>852819
For Ame I guess it depends on how freely she can time travel. If she can do it very fast and whenever she wants for however long a period she likes then yeah it's pretty broken in a combat situation.
If it's something that takes time and preparation then she'd be fucked in combat with her concoction being her only form of defense.

>> No.864176

>>861898
Secretly-the-BBEG Lamy is peak Lamy.

>> No.864181

>>852191
I really hope not, I get she is like the main holo girl but she is also too boring and not popular enough. She should just be this mysterious character that shows up once in a while but the whole plot revolves around her. Like a very plot relevant side character.

>> No.864214

>>862957
Damn this actually looks cool. I hope they get a new good mangaka and that they don't treat them like shit.

>> No.864311

>>852191
Sora should be like Mickey in the first KH.

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>>862232
The bottom panel really sums up her feelings on this.

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>>808298
So what, all the slice of life shit will happen in the modern city setting of the inner ring while the more adventure shit happens in the outer ring and outside the wall?
It sort of reminds me of Game of Thrones and Attack on Titan.

>> No.864918

>>864343
Fubuki and Lamy are going to write a shit ton of fanfiction for this thing.

>> No.865240

kek this duck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1bD6aWC14

>> No.865267

>>864120
If it requires prep and the likes then she might be like that one chick in UQ Holder who uses her time resets to plan for every eventuality.

Which would suit her Holmesian character premise, actually. Basically imagine RDJ's Sherlock Holmes with the power of reloading saves.

>> No.865285

>>865267
Riiiiight the holmes thing. Kinda makes you forget since Ame does nothing to keep that part of her character alive lol.

>> No.865313

>>865285
I dunno, despite what the BBC might want to have us think, I personally reckong that Sherlock Holmes would probably be a shitposting drug gremlin if he was around in the modern day.

>> No.865350

>>864888
That's one of the speculations so far. Honestly nobody knows yet. It might go back and forth? Have the SoL characters be forced to step beyond the inner ring due to plot while the adventuring ones end up travelling to the modern city for their own reasons? Botan would likely have to go there to restock on ammo.

>> No.865405

>>861898
>>864343
I just need art of Nene going full Super Hyper Ultra MaxNeneMax

>> No.865412

>>865240
How is that the most passionate Holos for this thing are the most likely to be excluded from it, that kinda sucks.

>> No.865511

>>831279
But they're both partially yokai too, according to Okayu yesterday. I could see them having powers but being young and inexperienced in comparison to Fubuki and Mio.

>> No.865516

>>807773
there is that doujin of her

>> No.865556

>>865240
>actually suggesting Random Subaru herself
Genius play. Actually doesn't One Piece have that with Pandaman? He just pops up everywhere and it's like a game of Where's Waldo?

>> No.865569

>>807773
>>808441
>>811906
Posts that didn't age well

>> No.865596

>>865511
Given Korone's 3000+ jump rope session and boxing I'd argue that she's already OP just as a base-level yokai.

Then again doesn't she often joke that she's actually a deity? She could just be slumming it in the mortal realm because she prefers eating cake and hugging Okayu over actually doing her job.

>> No.865665

>>865569
Any idea on the specifics? From what I can tell he'd been working with them for six months, and then all of a sudden Cover decided to charge him for the fanart he made, so he's gone ahead and deleted everything Holo-related?

>> No.865731

>>865665
No, anything about charging him money is narrative. All he said is he's not working with cover and hololive related things anymore and that cover communicates badly.

>> No.865811

>>865731
>cover communicates badly
This is objectively true at least

>> No.865923

>>865731
Fair play. I've seen some other speculation that they might have asked him to pull his R18 works of Holotalents since none of their other artists (papas/mamas) have ever done R18 stuff of the talents despite some of them (like Pochi) being R18 artists in general.

It might be something to do with brand association. Kinda like a "aure, draw porn, but don't draw porn of your coworkers/company's IP while you work for us," type of deal. Again, purely speculation.

The shit communication does sound about right, though.

>> No.865988

IIRC Marine said that her newest projects cost millions of yen. Does that mean this Her project is part of Holo Alt?

>> No.866022
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So since the slot of HoloAlt manga artist is now vacant, who would you all want to see get picked up to work on it?

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>>866022
korone

>> No.866116

>>866022
Wasn't the Goblin Slayer mangaka one of the people already contributing to the project somehow?

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>>822840
Here's mine. Corrections: Watame is immortal, Coco is as strong as dragons are in the setting. IDs and Sora not tiered.

>> No.866353

>>861898
Sorry I don't really follow Lamy, what's this about a new tag of hers?

>> No.866644

>>866353
She asked her fans to draw art of her on HoloAlternative. There's a stream planned for later this week where she shows them, colabbing with Polka iirc

>> No.866649

>>866644
Ah, thanks. I'll be sure to catch that then.

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>>866353
>>866644
>>866649
The tag is #勝手にホロメンオルタナティブ. It all started with her stream when talking about Alternative, she mentioned a scenario Polka came up with that had Lamy as a traitor. She talked about Nene being the protagonist and Botan saving the day wielding a gun. A bunch of people start posting fanart of that so she decided to host a stream with Polka on 2/27 to review (and gush) all of the things people are making.

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>>866207
Nice list, well thought out, I would put Shion higher though since in all "canon" depictions she has been shown to be pretty OP.

>>865569
>>865665
>>865731
>>865923
Well shit, that was fast

>>865988
For it to cost that much I would imagine so, which project is she talking about though, I hope not the manga that was just killed.

>> No.866868

>>866207
>Nene - Normal girl
>He doesn't know

>> No.866903

>>866207
I'd move Ame down a tier because she can still be defeated if she's taken by surprise, or loses access to her watch.

>> No.866919

>>866207
I can tell this was done by a KFPfag

>> No.866971

>>866207
Nene is an alien joke character who has pretty much Saiyan levels of power if she is to be believed.

>> No.866999

>>866971
If you take jokes like that into your analysis then you have to put Matsuri in top tier because she's god.

>> No.867006

>>866207
Just because you can time travel doesn't mean you suddenly become invincible. Amelia with time travel would imo elevate her into a B+ position taken all together, unless she has some other magical powers beyond the time travel, with the caveat that without her time travel power she's a C+ (assuming her detective training includes weapons and basic combat tactics).

>> No.867059

>>866788
Pls someone correct me on this since I read it here but didn't she also mention polka dying and nene beating her with a punch?

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>>866022
I'm actually legit surprised that none of the dedicated artist for EN seem to be interesting in being part of this thing, and it can't even about them not being included in the trailer, because Lamy was not in it and yet artist are already working on making stuff about her and Gen 5 in that universe.

>> No.867100

>>866903
Its a very tentative placement because on a 1v1 street fight she could timetravel to last week and shoot you in the head before you knew why. Time travelling shenanigans usually always wins unless the setting has extra rules, which it still doesnt.
Under any other circumstance, if her time travel doesnt work like that, or if its a fair regulated fight, she's C tier, thats why she's in the list twice. One is with Dormamu time travelling nonsense, the other one is with only Ame.
>>867006
Ame without time travel is already on the tierlist.

>> No.867155

>>866971
Nene is a normal girl from Planet China that came to earth and wants to be an idol. She has no powers. She doesnt even have a background now, after the retcon, now she's a normal girl that reverse isekai'd herself into the hololive lore, from a nondescript dimension.
I hope holo alternative releases some actual lore, you cant have matsuris and subarus streaming next to mori and coco.

>> No.867162

So if this thing is ever made into an anime or game, they would need to have all the girls voice themselves, right?
Cover wouldn't be stupid enough to pull a Kizuna AI and have someone else voice them, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_u5OW2AQRE

>> No.867273

>>867073
Its probably for the best, all they would likely do is takamori and that "smol" Ame bullshit.

>> No.867282

>>866999
And yet the list acts like Kiara is a skilled warrior with immortal tier experience and not just a derpy phoenix who happens to have a sword and shield, given her profile makes no mention of a warrior background.

>> No.867330

>>867162
I dont think Cover is that dumb, but all of hololive would need a year of VA training before they're ready to voice an actual anime. Most of them can barely act their lines in hologra and they're 2 minutes long.

>> No.867357

>>867330
>all of hololive
You HAVE heard some of the girls' voice-acting right? A lot of them are actually very good and would at best need a quick bootcamp session.

>> No.867382

>>866022
kawakami masaki likes hololive from what I can tell, also Nene' Mama because I love her

>> No.867387

>>867282
Her corporate character sheet has "part-time warrior" as a major point. Her background is being a full time immortal warrior and she's canonically done every single job except mcdonalds owner and vtuber.
Do you actually not watch EN at all?

>> No.867403

>>867330
>>867155
They're literally voice acting for live 2D avatars, how are you guys so dumb

>> No.867410

>>867357
Not a lot of them. Some are good. Most are ok at best.
Definetly not the acting quality you'd need for the first vtuber anime.

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>> No.867448

>>867403
>"Yeah dude of course I can act, im acting as myself right now haha"
Delusional if you think you could voice act a main character in any anime and do anything other than embarras yourself.
They have good voices and they'll do a good job at voice acting if they get professional training, but most are not even close to industry quality yet.

>> No.867450

>>867330
>all of hololive
Eh, some already have experience on the filed, either working on various projects as VAs or trained for it, like Polka, Gura, Ame, and Marine

>> No.867465

>>867330
>Most of them can barely act their lines in hologra and they're 2 minutes long.
I like how every idiot keeps comparing a professional multi-take production to "shit we threw together in a week and used the first or second take for," as if that was somehow indicative of the actual voice-acting ability of the talents. You might as well judge professional voice actors' abilities based on their on-the-spot reads on podcasts or at convention panels.

Instead check out the video game appearances that the girls have, as well as any commercials they've done. Those are a far better indicator of which girls are capable of handling a professional production or not.

In the meantime, have some Lolino Sora: https://youtu.be/uY1Idhx0Ps0

>> No.867591

>>867465
This
Just like how they fixed Noel and Coco's singing in post, I have to imagine for an official anime or game they would have them do multiple takes to get it right.

>> No.867664

>>867591
Didn't Pekora need to do multiple takes during the PekoMiko Daisensou song because she kept cringing during the "Thank you" part of the song?

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>>867465
Miko does a pretty good job in her visual novel.

>> No.868923

>>830393
>That part with Ayame getting gangbanged
How did they get away with it?

>> No.869020

>>866207
Only Calli and Ina should be in the S+ category.
Kiara and Ame don't have any business there, the whole "limiters removed" is just a meme from here.
Kiara should have fighting abilities and maybe fire powers with the ability to be reincarnate at the expense of losing her memory, and Ame can mess with time but ultimately is just a normal human, neither one can compared to death or some Lovecraft monster.

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>>869020
This. Nothing about Kiara's profile, character sheet or anything indicates that she's any kind of super warrior. Even her 'part-time warrior' thing is mostly a joke, considering that neither her debut character sheet nor her official page make any major note of her being an exceptional warrior. It's more concerned with the fast food gimmick.

>> No.869274

>>867387
So she's canonically been a whore for eons?

>> No.869459

>>869221
it's part of her lore that, if she removes her belt thing, she'll transform into her phoenix form. Which would be on par with the yokais I guess

>> No.869461

>>869020
>"limiters removed" is just a meme from here.
Kiara's belt is a literal limiter that she was told by her papa, not to take off. Also, you're forgetting that Kiara also canonically has the ability to transform.
>>869221
She has Adventures in her likes and fighting in her hobbies. That implies that she has experience as a warrior. She's also mentioned that her sword and shield have special abilities, but I can't remember what they are.

>> No.869551

>>869461
And yet still none of that puts her in the 'ultimate' tier.

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Ina mentioned that she wanted to see something where darker aspects of Holomyth's backstories are explored. Shadows over Holomyth where Amelia investigates a reclusive fishing town outside the walls?

>> No.869673

>>852191
Sora should be like Saki in the Achiga Hen. Depicted as immensely powerful but is mostly just misunderstood

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>>807548
This is pretty important. Thought I'd repost.
>>865524

>> No.869680

>>866116
He contributed to nijisanji fantasy tournament, never saw anything about holoALT on his twitter.

>> No.869693

>>867387
Plenty of people haven't read the Holos' official bios but actually watch. I'm positive that I'm one of like 3 people that remember that Ame's time-traveling is lore she literally made up in a stream.

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>>869020
Ina is not AO. Ina cannot control AO, has no power over the tentacles, cant even choose what tentacles come out.
She's a priestess for the ancient ones that can also trigger a small portal. Realistically she has the same powers and strength as Miko, Im putting her in A-B because I tier with extreme bias towards everyone, Im assuming the book has some powerful spells she (a normal human with no magic) can use, and that her tentacles are allowed to fight with her.
Ina is not S+ at all. AO is on top of the regular S list because an eldritch god is better than everyone except the people that are OP beyond 1v1 fights, like "death" and "time travel". An average-powered lovecraftian god is STILL not above the permanent concept of "not existing anymore". A very important note in HP's setting is that the Old Ones 'are'. They're completely alien to us, and trying to understand how a god dies is like trying to understand the life cycle of stars from the perspective of a mite. But they do have a beginning and an end.

Time travel bullshit and immortality win every single fight. SSSS is not a tier but a "this is not a fight" tier.
If I had to make the list again I'd have to put in Watame in S+++ too since she LITERALLY cannot lose a fight. If you keep killing her you'll die and rot away before she stops existing, she'll just respawn.
My original post went with Kiara in S+ because of this. If regular Kiara is an actually immortal warrior that cant lose a fight, Kiara without the limiters should be a tier higher. If you're using different, stricter rules for what a fight is (you lose if you die even if you can revive) then Kiara is mid-S and Ame is in C. This was already considered when making the tierlist, that's why several people have more than one entry if they have more than one canonical form with very different powerlevel.
I dont know how there's so many posts saying Ame without time travel should go on C when "Ame without time travel" already is on C.

>> No.869771

>>866207
Ame should not be that high up. Time travel is pretty good, but it has no effect on immortal beings and beings from separate dimensions or realms.

>> No.869832

>>869766
>immortality win every single fight
Not the immortality where you stay dead for a while and are then reborn with temporary brain damage and memory loss, it doesn't.

>> No.869841

>>869551
>And yet still none of that puts her in the 'ultimate' tier.
The fact that she can't be killed by death should. This is just icing.

>> No.869927

>>869841
Only if you're a retard who thinks the ability to be killed repeatedly = winning.

This isn't the same as "every time I die I get stronger," or "when I die I reload to a previous point in time and can redo the timeline."

This is, "I died because they were stronger than me, and unless I go and get stronger and come back months later, I'm going to keep dying no matter how many times I throw myself at them."

>> No.869954

>>869927
Zombieman in OPM

>> No.869960

>>869832
If you can die and I cant die, then you WILL lose. The strongest power that can die automatically loses against Watame because even if she cant fight, she cant die. Its a forced stalemate where she can just time you out until she wins.
Immortality and time travel are actually unbeatable in every context unless you're actually the person in charge of death. Thats why Mori is the strongest in the setting, she literally controls what dies and what doesnt.

Come with a plan to kill Watame. First one to actually die forever wins.

>> No.869973

>>869221
>has a sword and shield
>hobby is "FIGHTING"
Seems like a warrior to me.

>> No.869994

>>869927
You're the kind of autist that people strongly dislike.

>> No.870021

>>869960
>If you can die and I cant die, then you WILL lose

>Dying of old age or from being hit by a car = I lost the fight against the enemy that I reduced to ashes, because half an hour later they respawned from the ashes.

Sure thing. Again, you're under the false impression that this immortality thing translates to an instant-respawn at full strength every time.

>> No.870040

>>869994
As opposed to the kind of autist that keeps pushing for their headcanon in order to raise the value of their favourite character. Everyone loves that guy, right?

>> No.870080

>>869973
Doesn't have to be a particularly good one
She is part time after all

>> No.870105

>>870040
I don't even care for Kiara that much. She sorta annoying to me but you keep grasping at straws that are barely there. Immortality is always a broken character trait. Watame and Kiara will be at the strongest tier because they can't die and through rebirth they won't tire as well.

>> No.870115

>>852949
Her role in that azur lane collab was really good, not the protagonist (if anything it was fubuki) but a focal point of the plot, same as her position within hololive, while not the most popular everyone looks up to her as an authority figure, respected and influential.

>> No.870116

>>870021
Yes.
Assuming its some sort of all-out streetfight with no rules where Ina can just whip out the AO portal, Mori can come out of hiatus to instantly kill people, Choco can go full demon form, Coco can transform back into a dragon,... then yes, immortality wins. If you want to kill Watame and Watame doesnt die, you lost. This is really not that complicated to understand.
If this is some sort of regulated fight with rules and regulations, then Roboco wins almost every single time because now you're tiering 51 girls between 17-30.
Explain how baseform Ina or Gura win against Nene or Polka.

Unless its just specifically Kiara that you dont like to be immortal even though she's the only one that actually is by character sheet.

>> No.870117

>>869927
>This is, "I died because they were stronger than me, and unless I go and get stronger and come back months later, I'm going to keep dying no matter how many times I throw myself at them."
This is where you're wrong retard-chama. This completely undermines the idea of experience. It doesn't matter how many times she dies. With each life, she'll learn a little more, and get closer to winning. This may also be true for her opponent, but they're not coming back when they die. At the very worst, she can stalemate.

>> No.870185

>>870116
I have no problems with Kiara being immortal. I have problems with her immortality being taken out of context.

>>870117
Like here, for example. According to Kiara herself when she dies she usually loses her memories (permanently or temporarily). This should either stunt or totally negate most experience gains. So it's not like she can die, come back half an hour later, and be fighting fit right off the bat.

By the time that she'd have recovered from reincarnating, whoever she's fighting would have had time to recover as well. So while immortality is a broken skill, it DOES matter what KIND of immortality it is. Not all forms of immortality are equal and it's dumb to act like they are.

>> No.870189

A friendly reminder from a longtime tabletop GM that the ability to respawn/self-revive does not itself confer any real power. Physical limitations are still very much a problem. Even Death can be a problem if there's a timer associated with your revival, since that gives the opportunity for people to act without your interference. Can't count the number of players I've fucked over with even so much as a minute to act without them around. 8 Seconds is a tight window, but you can still do a lot in 8 seconds, and Kiara's revival time is higher.

>> No.870216

>>870115
Yeah. Again, I call that protagonist energy in the sense that the protagonist tends to be either really popular, or just a good all-around type of character that the rest of the characters play off of, if that makes sense? I wouldn't say it means she's bland, but just that she's fairly neutral, and can go well with anyone - like a protagonist.

>> No.870246

>>870189
This. That's my main gripe with people acting like immortality is the be-all, end-all of powers that makes them unbeatable. There's plenty of drawbacks to Kiara's respawn ability that detract from it being an "ultimate tier" trait.

>> No.870267

>>869771
Dormammu begs to differ.

>> No.870279

>>870185
The context of Kiara's immortality is that she's immortal. Even if it took her a week to regenerate and not half an hour, she would still be alive and you wouldnt.
>By the time that she'd have recovered from reincarnating, whoever she's fighting would have had time to recover as well.
Brother regenerate what? If she's fighting Ayame and they both lose an arm, and Kiara dies and she comes back, she has two arms and Ayame is still damaged. Kiara is a bossfight with an infinite regenerating healthbar, you can kill her a trillion times, she'll still come back for the trillion +1. Same with Watame, you *actually* cannot win against this unless you want to constrain the rules of the rules of the fight, which is also fine but not the point of the tierlist.
The tierlist is in an all out, all abilities allowed, fight to the death. The only thing that beats being literally, actually immortal is being Death.

>> No.870337

>>870189
Its a powerlevel tierlist. Its not a "how well they'd do defending an object while they're dead" tierlist.
Watame respawns in 8 seconds. It doesnt matter what you can do with those 8 seconds because at best you'll be able to set up traps to kill her again, which hardly solves the problem.
Not being able to die has the power of not being able to lose in a life or death situation.

>> No.870371

>>870279
Not the anon you were talking with, but I'm against the tier list being in the context of a battle royale amongst each-other. Certain abilities are really strong, but only in specific contexts. For instance, Calli has domain over Death and can't herself die, but she has almost every other limitation of a meatbag human. In any context but "I have to kill my opponent", Calli is at best an above-average human. In any context where Calli has to act but in any way but non-lethally, her skillset and powers do not come into play and are not helpful. That's not to say she shouldn't be in the higher tiers, just that she would be there given the context of her niche.

>> No.870381

>>870267
But that was a time loop, which works differently than time travel. It required Dr. Strange to keep dying.

>> No.870401

>>870279
You mean I can kill her a trillion times after it takes her at least 30-90 minutes to reincarnate from her ashes. Then MAYBE she'll remember her previous identity, which might take several hours to a few days to recover from that brain damage.

Seems like a very, very long, drawn out boss fight if I have to keep waiting a few days for it to continue. More like multiple fights. Assuming of course that I don't just have a roomba scoop up her ashes after I kill her, then throw her into some kind of mystical prison where she can get killed over and over again by the environment.

>> No.870411

>>867073
Character drawing and shit is one thing, doing a complete story based work is another skill entirely.

>> No.870437

>>870371
>When Mori is not shinigami'ing, she's A tier
Man if only she was in the tierlist twice to reflect this with an explanation as to why she's on A-tier.
I usually only have this issue with people telling me Ame without time travel should be on C-tier.

>> No.870479

>>870371
With Calli, it depends if you're talking about her human body specifically, or her shinigami one. IIRC, while on hiatus, she was given a "human" body, with human limitations, but we don't know the capabilities of her true form. The same could also be argued for Kiara.

>> No.870516

>>869766
This level of autism, holy shit.

>> No.870530

>>870401
Yes that is exactly what I mean. That you cant win that fight if you're not immortal because you will die and she wont.
>what a boring fight!
Sure. Phoenixes are boring creatures in most settings. They actually cannot die. Kiara being a hyperpowered warrior that is also actually immortal *before* the limiters are removed is what makes this a fight where you lose in the first round and not after a trillion.
But to be clear, after a trillion (1,000,000,000,000) rounds, she'll come back. If you die once you wont. Thats why she's on SSSS tier, because its not actually a fight, its just waiting for you to die.

>> No.870534

I hope we get new information soon before this thread devolves into even further powerlevel debates.

>> No.870543

>>870437
What I'm trying to say is that maybe the tier list should be less Death Battle and more Mahou Shojou. Usefulness and General Application of Abilities is very important for power rankings. A lot of the "stronger" Holos have powers that are either really useful in a fight or not at all useful in a fight, with few having a powerset that can cover both (Aki and Choco are the only ones I can think of that would fill both). I won't get into Ame because arguing about Time Travel's combat applications is extremely difficult believe me, I've had hours of session-derailing arguments over so much as stopping time for 3 seconds, but context outside of just fighting should be considered on par with fighting. At the end of the day, it's not all fighting.

>> No.870556

>>870216
Yeah i agree, i lke to call her archetype "the retired protagonist" while she can come back to the stage any time she just lets her kouhais do their best and have the spotlight while she takes it easy on the side.

>> No.870595

>>870401
>after it takes her at least 30-90 minutes to reincarnate from her ashes.
>which might take several hours to a few days to recover from that brain damage.
Where are you getting these numbers from? I could have missed something, but they seems super arbitrary. From what we've seen before with her memories, it seems like she can be reminded of them. With Calli, she completely forgot about her until she commented in chat, which made her remember completely.

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>>870530
>That you cant win that fight if you're not immortal because you will die and she wont
Correction: I can win every single fight until she gets lucky, or someone else kills me. Or I die of old age.

That counts as a win only in the same way that if I wish really, really hard that the tree blocking my window would get cut down, but did absolutely nothing to it until it was one day struck by lightning and destroyed, that somehow I had made it happen.

Which, sure, if you want to use that absolutely remote concept of 'victory' where "the enemy broke his hand after caving in my face a trillion times," then go off. But that doesn't make you "ultimate tier," Wimp Lo.

>> No.870642

>>870543
>less Death Battle and more Mahou Shojou
Yeah, perhaps, but if the 'my oshi can beat up your oshi' tierlist has this level of pedantry and autistm from both sides on the topic of actual immortality, I dont really want to know what to do for a usefulness tierlist. Making them into classes would probably help but not by much.
Honestly most of hololive has chuuni ass characters with combat-oriented superpowers so the non-combat usefulness of Ayame or Coco is a difficult topic.
>Time Travel's combat applications is extremely difficult
I know, thats why her placement considers all possible time travel bullshittery applicable, specifically Skynet-ing the timeline every time until you inevitably win. Time travel is just broken, I never allow it in my campaigns and I never will unless its me doing it.

>> No.870652

>>870595
According to Kiara herself she forgets shit when she dies, can't remember which stream she said it in - might have been shortly after her "Second Debut."

>> No.870752

>>870652
In her redebut stream, she forgot about Calli, but remembered her after she commented in chat. IDK if she mentioned it elsewhere, but if not, this could very likely be something specific to Calli, given their relationship. My point is more on the amount of time it takes her to respawn and to remember things.

>> No.870826

>>870626
>"the enemy broke his hand after caving in my face a trillion times,"
Maybe try "the enemy had an aneurysm and died after beating me senseless, therefore I win". Which you would, within this context, yes. Because it was a fight to the death and he's dead and you're not. I dont know how this part specifically is hard.

This is a powerlevel tierlist. The absolute strenght they have if they were to go all out against someone else, not the strength they have if they were to go 75% out, or if they were to fight but within some particular rules.
If a character ACTUALLY cannot die, then it cannot die. In a fight to death, it cannot lose.
>I can win every single fight until she gets lucky
You mean stall until she wins. You're dead, she's not. Not that hard.

>> No.870886

>>870642
>the non-combat usefulness of Ayame or Coco is a difficult topic.
Ayame's the Student Council President, so we know she's not dumb and she's not ultra-lazy.

>> No.871064

>>870826
>Because it was a fight to the death and he's dead and you're not.
Actually, it was a fight to the death and you're dead, and he isn't. Then you came back for a second fight to the death and wound up dead again. And again. And again.

Seriously, how is this hard to comprehend? You losing a trillion fights in order to eventually win one fight doesn't mean you won some kind of conclusive victory. It means you lost a trillion fights and after several years eventually got lucky.

>> No.871164

>>866207
Kiara's immortality is gone if shes eaten, so its a really weak.
Ame can only time travel because of AO-chan. How much influence they retain is unknown, but I dont think its safe to just say she has control over time.

>> No.871169

>>871064
And you're permanently dead and ill get hit by a bus next week and come back before the ambulance arrives. A fight with all abilities has ot consider all of them. Being LITERALLY immortal, being exempt from death, being unable to die, not dying, has the effect of not letting you die in a fight to the death. Because you cant die, hence the name "immortal".
Because if you reach your biological limit you become a pile of ashes and then you keep on being alive, whereas you die when you are killed. Because you're not immortal.
>"losing" fights
I mentioned the word "rules" at least seven times this thread according to my browser. This is a tierlist about raw power in a fight.
A tournament where immortality is disallowed would probably have a lot more things forbidden too, like being the actual concept of death, time travel, firearms, or changing form.
Its not a list about fairness in combat.

>> No.871286

>>871164
>Kiara's immortality is gone if shes eaten, so its a really weak.
That doesn't make sense. She's offered her body to be eaten by Calli before, and Gura and Ame have both talked about eating her for an infinite food source. She probably only said that to appeal to her vore/scat fetish.

>> No.871433
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871433

So, say a particular artist wants to contribute to this project, would Cover not allow it because EN is barred from it?
Its pretty obvious that they have been working on this thing since at least April when that tweet was posted, and thus the most recent Gens and branches were not included back then, but would that prevent them from being included now?

>> No.871470

>>871164
She said this (once, near thanksgiving) but she also said other people can eat her no problem since she'll just revive.
I went with regular phoenix powers like I gave Ollie regular zombie powers.

>> No.871531

>>871470
Fair then. I think in general its hard to determine a lot of this because while we know powers we don't know actual strength. Kiara being immortal is worthless if Noel can just shove her in a fireproof box and toss her into the ocean as an example. Even if Noel is long since dead by the time Kiara breaks out Kiara still didn't "win" the fight by any stretch.

>> No.871919

>>871433
Probably less "EN isn't allowed" and more "EN hasn't been planned for in any real capacity". HoloEN is just barely scraping 6 months old in March. If they started work on HoloALT back in April, that's 10 months' turnaround time. Even small, focused projects need time to move, especially when a company is involved.

>> No.871961

>>832097
>A-chan
>weak

>> No.872557

>>870556
I'm really enjoying her NieR Automata playthrough so far. She reached Simone and her reactions are so strangely compelling. Most people freak out or get their game face on, whereas she's actually talking back to the boss while playing the game quite competently: https://youtu.be/fBqxP5CtcjA?t=2286

Simone: "More.. beautiful.. I must be more.. beautiful.."
Sora (not sure what she specifically says because it's so fast): "That isn't what it means to be beautiful!" or "You won't become beautiful by doing this!"

Again, there's something in the delivery that screams 'heroine'.

>> No.872636

>>871164
What does AO-chan have to do with Ame's time travel? Did they make the pocket watch?

>> No.872834

>>871433
I'm sure all the branches but China will get at least a cameo, turned into fully-fledged characters in the 2nd wave of releases if its a success.

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>>807548
I'll open my wallet for a Hololive gatcha and keep it open like a tranny keeps thier gashwound open. I will give you my kidneys and my first born based Yagoo-sama

>> No.873124

>>872636
Ame said AO gave her the watch.

>> No.873409

>>872953
Statements like these will guarantee that Cover will cringe itself into never giving us nice things.

>> No.873546

>>866207
>"botan paizuri"
Wat

>> No.874604

Came here looking for rrats on why the Alternative Mangaka threw a baby fit and all I got was a bunch of autist EOPs arguing about irrelevant EN trash. Keep up the great work 4chan

>> No.874711

>>870337
>because at best you'll be able to set up traps to kill her again, which hardly solves the problem.
Because you are retard that assumes unending willpower and everyone being so bloodthirsty they don't conceive just breaking all her limbs so she can die from thirst
I doubt she would be up for a fight after even one time

>> No.874812

>>874604
There was a thread for that shitshow elsewhere.

>> No.875072

>>874604
There was another thread, theories ranged from Cover wouldn't let meet Marine IRL, to wanted him to stop making porn or to asked for a cut of all of his shit that was based on Cover's IP.

I don't understand why you wouldn't state your side of story fully if you're having a full twitter melt-down though, you've already burned that bridge you may as well try and gather some support/understanding.

>> No.875212

>>875072
At least half of those theories were presented by that lying hack On Takahashi, on the other hand, so.. grain of salt, and all that.

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>>872834
I doubt EN will ever be depicted due to language barrier issues.

>> No.875764

>>874604
>artistic guy goes autistic
>4chan agrees with him before info comes out
>says down with cover
>info comes out
>it was all artist's fault
>everyone forgives cover and laughs at the guy
>yagoo is best girl again
There, saved you an entire thread of retard

>> No.876065

>>871286
Kiara doesn't have a vore fetish, only a scat one.

>> No.876683

>>872557
>talking back to the boss, refuting their ideals while fighting
Yeah, she's definitely the protagonist.

>> No.879304

>>867411
That looks really cool, that's ayame isn't it.

>> No.879704

>>875764
Considering how long those threads are, how's it Mizuryu's fault? from what I gathered is it because he drew the Marine doujin while under Cover's contract to make Hololive Alt?

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>>874604
This is the latest rrat.

>> No.879930

>>879726
>He understood that Hololive market was larger than he expected it to be.
>He felt that his share was smaller than it should be
The fuck? That's not how business works at all. If you write music for someone else to sing, you're not entitled to a bigger % if the album goes double platinum than if it goes gold.

>> No.879971

>>879930
He also deleted every tweet related to Hololive Alternative that he made this morning.
Including the tweet where he stated that he will never work with Hololive ever again.

>> No.879994

>>879726
https://twitter.com/mizuryu
Everything is gone

>> No.880150

>>879971
>>879994
Saving face? Cover telling him to fuck off? Did he naked dogeza and save his job?
Who knows.

>> No.880199

>>880150
Probably realized people weren't siding with him.

>> No.881314

If there will be a manga or even an anime, the best approach for incorporating EN and IN would be some humorous background cameos.
Just fuckin Gura swimming somewhere in all bodies of water larger than a puddle, in the sea, in a pool, in an aquarium, just peeking out of a barrel.
Like Pandaman or the snail from adventure time.

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>>872557
DAMMIT SORA DON'T MAKE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU AAAARRRGGHHH

>> No.881995

>>855117
hey
>>857426
look at the gun. this anon is spot on.

>> No.882729

>>867387
I'm pretty sure part-time warrior is just a Steins;Gate reference given her artist is huke.

>> No.882975

>>881314
They could tease Calli's early existance if someone dies/gets close to death and sees death tho.

Vision or experience, it works both ways.

>> No.883018

>>867387
Am I the only one who believes they are gonna kill Kiara repeatedly if she gets added later on?

Probably the only Holo which can be "sacrificed" constantly.

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I wonder if this is before the city get isekaid and merged with that fantasy world, I don't see the wall, unless thats where she is standing...

>> No.883509

>>879726
What an idiot, reminds me of that Witcher author who was offered a percentage as payment, but since he had little faith in his own work he decided to just get paid a sum amount in advance instead, than later when it was a succeed he sued CDPR for more money.
I doubt this dude was even offered that though.

>> No.884183

>>875286
They will probably do cameos, every single one of them have perfect spots for cameos

Kiara: Phoenix flying in the background or warrior passing by

Ina: Book on open display or Tako jumping around maybe even the librarian herself near the book, Ina might look human as it gets in this case, could also be a nightmare/background shadow with her regular model.

Calli: Death, even a vision would suffice, maybe appears to a character close to dying and sends them back

Gura: Rises to surface, only head, watches someone, then goes back down, props if she gets out of water into the city naked kek

Watson: Literally appears in the background in and out on several occasions watching characters or events, maybe even flickers and quite literally "poofs" out when walking past someone or something and on moments she should not be there in the back, massive props if at one point there are several Watsons in the same scene hidden in different spots.

>> No.884440

>>875286
On a similar note, they could present the ID girls as outer space beings.

Moona: Literal Goddess of the Moon
Iofi: Actual alien, looks human
Risu: Looks alien.

Gen 2 of ID is even more dynamic

Ollie: Probably name appears on a grave, maybe even gets "head stabbed" at the beginning
Anya: Literal sword on a rack/wall, not "awakened" yet, props if she kills Ollie with a summoned sword
Reine: Actual noble mage running away from home, can be or not presented at all.

>Implying Reine of all people will not get presented.

>> No.884501

What is Nenechi supposed to represent again?

She just human?

>> No.884848

>>884501
She's the CEO.

>> No.885029

>>884501
Meme lore puts Nenechi really high, but according to her bio she's from another planet. Originally she was from basically Planet China but after her costume change she got a bio rewrite that muddles it up because Japanese doesn't seem to differentiate from "another world (planet)" and "another world (realm of existence)".

>> No.885149

>>865569
Fucking got me

>> No.885171

>>865731
He’s not wrong kek

>> No.885400

>>846169
Fuck...

>> No.886241

I can't imagine them not including Gen 5 at least

>> No.886607

this whole thread is basado

>> No.886676

>>881995
How can you even tell? There's nothing on the gun to indicate it's Botan

>> No.887897

>>866207
>Watson
>*probably* a trained shot
She served with honor in Afghanistan back in '80, even took a bullet at Maiwand, ya cunt!

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Mori Death Calliope better be in

>> No.889936

>>846169
This hits hard with the news that Daft Punk is disbanding, actually..

That being said, holy fuck could you imagine if Cover did something as ballsy as Interstella 5555? I'd actually totally be down with them releasing a full album of songs where each song's MV tells the full story one piece at a time.

>> No.889967

>>876683
Gotta remember, after all, that the protagonist isn't always the most popular or the one with the biggest fanbase in a series, but they're still the glue that holds it all together.

>> No.893555

>>889936
I dread to think how much it would cost

>> No.893878

>>893555
How much did Interstella cost again? I think it was somewhere in the four million dollar range?

>> No.894075

>>885400
>>889936
That was a very bad coincidence, fuck...

>> No.894114

>>893878
Budget of 4 Million is correct, which is 5.6 million today
And no I doubt Cover would be able to stump out that much

>> No.894119

>>893878
Something like that. It totaled to fourteen songs and a little over an hour's worth of animation: https://youtu.be/3Qxe-QOp_-s

>> No.894287

>>894114
>>894119
The average OVA is usually 30-40 minutes, I think, isn't it? Maybe they could low-ball it.

>> No.894352

>>894119
>>894287
It benefits from having suitably vague and limited lyrics, all that matters was the melody and flow of the song to sync could be applied to a more abstract visual story
With Hololive all being idolru songs which are heavy on lyrics to the expense of everything else, the visual medium is likely very very limited

>> No.894447

>>894352
>Hololive: The Musical

>> No.894503

>>894352
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, anime has a pretty common trend of slapping anime or opening music into the big finale or fight scene moment of a show. Sometimes the lyrics are pretty poignant or relevant but sometimes they just sound good in relation to what's going on.

That being said, what would be stopping Cover from writing songs just for the production that would in turn have melodies, flow, etc, that would suit the visual story?

>> No.894604

>>894503
>what would be stopping Cover from writing songs just for the production that would in turn have melodies, flow, etc, that would suit the visual story?
probably by just being Cover

>> No.894632

>>894604
Touché.

>> No.895670

>>846169
>>807773
This thread is fucking cursed

>> No.895846

>>895670
ngl it's pretty impressive

>> No.896561

>>883509
He had no faith about a bunch of nobodies. He already had a bad experience when somebody purchased the rights to make a game, and nothing came out of it.

>> No.897186

>>896561
>He already had a bad experience when somebody purchased the rights to make a game
TV show, actually. TV show and movie based on the footage used for the TV show. Either way it wasn't very good. Which is ironic because even though he then dismissed CDPR's adaptation he threw his hat in wiht the shitty Netflix adaptation.

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