/#/ - Numbers thread

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Previous >>8124203

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ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

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Kanata's new song:
>10.8k peak
>22,810 post view

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Threads is slow so it's time for some meta-numberfaggotry
>pic related

Posts per hour in this thread, counting only the past few threads that were still not purged from the archives.
Time is in JST and the activity seems to crash with JP graveyard time, and for obvious reasons
>not a lot to talk about numbers when there is nobody streaming

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Oh no so many overlap during watame 3D

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>>8166351
Here is the same chart, but for burger East Coast timezone

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Here is the non millionaire last 7 days subs incline

Anya heavy incline and Robocosan ... she is not very present in collabs and group participations, is she?
Outside of APEX, of course, which seems to be a HUGE debuff for her subs count

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>>8166351
Well yeah there really isn't any topic to talk about other than shitpost or timeloops during dead hours. Gotta wait for EN 2 to ramp up those posts during hours not JP primetime.

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At this rate IRyS will have more subs at debut than all of holo en 2. What a recline.

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>>8166487
>irys already down to as many subs as moona
literally dead.

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>>8166601
>>8166628
I am actually surprised on the opposite direction: how the fuck EN-AZKi got that many subs?

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>irys growth is gone
>EN2 subs are not that impressive
the recline is real. the only thing that impresses me on this list is Botan.

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>>8166645
Because EN tag?

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>>8166601
What did IRyS have by the time her debut stream went live?

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>>8166684
280k
She's never gonna be touched.

>>8166664
17k subs per week is pretty good growth...

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>>8166645
Basically no reason for anyone who watches Holo EN to not sub to her.

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>>8166701
2k a day like Risu? that's terrible. she fell off a cliff.

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>that APEX debuff
They may be having fun but they're shedding audience by insisting in doing that.
>except Astel, it's a buff for him

In Choco's case APEX is a buff if solo, massive debuff if in collabs because she's not a good player but she talks to the audience when going solo and doesn't during collabs for the most part.

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>>8166320
fuck susan

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>>8166721
>fell off a cliff.
She has the highest growth among the non millionaires, even a month after debut. She would NEVER be able to keep that growth but it is still surprising a VSinger that doesn't sing that often is still growing at that pace

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>>8166701
280 is good but not untouchable. Theese new guys really need to put out a short teaser vidoe just saying hi or whatever so they have 1 registered video on their channel and people can find them easier. Right now they're in a bizarre limbo where they have 3X as many twitter followers as youtube subs.

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Good guy Leos carrying Lain's collab.
This is what hololive unicorns denied us.

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>>8166378
>>8166351
lol look at that SEAhours peak

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>>8166772
for an EN who was hyped it's terrible, they cant even get 10k viewers any more. And EN2 will twist the dagger.

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>>8166798
>for an EN who was hyped
Isn't that just circular logic?

>OK, her numbers are big why aren't they as big as the arbitrary threshold I made up in my mind? That must mean they're not big

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>>8166837
they got a billion subs right away and now they are back to Risu tier. Is that not a massive decline?

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>>8166860
I am not following, she
>be IRyS
>have the highest subs growth of all non millionaires.
>???
>that is not big
Sincerely not following

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Kson overtook her first JP Hololive member in the all time superchat rankings yesterday, there'll be many more at this rate

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>>8166794
>us

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>>8166923
Don't reply to bait, idiot

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>>8166860
Risu tier is 6k a week.
IRyS is pulling 17k a week.
Why would you use daily to compare when weekly makes more sense?

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>>8166923
she is at 2k daily now. Risu and Towa are doing that.

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>>8166860
It just means the pool of EN Hololive viewers is relatively fixed at this point and not rapidly expanding like it was alongside Gen 1. Everyone who watches EN subbed to her fairly quickly and now there's just not a lot of people coming into the ecosystem that aren't already aware of her (or any of the others). Expecting sustained growth at the level of EN1 just means people don't understand the development of the market.

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>>8167014
a lot of people clicking a red box and not watching later is not a good omen for the new 5 people.

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Sub count is the most useless metric after it has been proven over and over to be dead subs and don't actually show relevancy. Can we stop counting them?

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>>8166928
She still hasn't stopped doing meatface streams, so not a vtuber.

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>wake up
>holocouncil lost even more subs
It's over...

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>>8166794
>16k
Kanata got 19k today collabong with a nobody.

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>>8167088
>72k vs 57k
that's a lot of people willingly ignoring her when people are just mass subbing.

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One interesting thing about the "non millionaires"
>Sora is the "high water mark" for most of them
>Botan growth is the only one significantly outpacing hers
>IRyS debut momentum alone was enough to push her all the way up to Mel

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>>8167088
>2 smallest girls are most subbed
Based SEAnig pedos.

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>>8167114
>a nobody
Are you just trolling or really that retarded, I can never tell on this board

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>>8167198
Well, tell me how big Oshio's channel is.

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>>8167035
It'll be up to them to get people to watch them. Getting a chance is better than being ignored.

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>>8167035
"dead" subs > no subs every time. It's literally a first world problem that most vtubers would kill to have.

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>>8167071
It's the easiest fixed metric to compare, everything else fluctuates too much due to a bunch of factors that change from stream to stream. If you don't want to use easy to compare metrics like that you have to actually put in the work and make graphs and shit.

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>>8167334
still, artificial growth: people click a button but you need people to watch you, like Pekora (who has an audience because of talent).

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>>8167234
Damn, Pekora's biggest stream ever was with a nobody too then. Pekomom doesn't even have a twitter account, let alone 280k followers like Oshio.

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would be funny if she's stuck at ~50k when everyone else has reached 70k

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>>8167147
If people were mass subbing and ignoring her the difference would be 10k between her and Ceres. Still a lot. Bigger gap between her and #4 then between #4 and #1.

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>The Fox Who Lost His Tail
>Aesop

>A Fox that had been caught in a trap, succeeded at last, after much painful tugging, in getting away.
>But he had to leave his beautiful bushy tail behind him.

>For a long time he kept away from the other Foxes, for he knew well enough that they would all make fun of him and crack jokes and laugh behind his back.
>But it was hard for him to live alone, and at last he thought of a plan that would perhaps help him out of his trouble.

>He called a meeting of all the Foxes, saying that he had something of great importance to tell the tribe.

>When they were all gathered together, the Fox Without a Tail got up and made a long speech about those Foxes who had come to harm because of their tails.

>This one had been caught by hounds when his tail had become entangled in the hedge.
>That one had not been able to run fast enough because of the weight of his brush.
>Besides, it was well known, he said, that men hunt Foxes simply for their tails, which they cut off as prizes of the hunt.
>With such proof of the danger and uselessness of having a tail, said Master Fox, he would advise every Fox to cut it off, if he valued life and safety.

>When he had finished talking, an old Fox arose, and said, smiling:

>“Master Fox, kindly turn around for a moment, and you shall have your answer.”

>When the poor Fox Without a Tail turned around, there arose such a storm of jeers and hooting, that he saw how useless it was to try any longer to persuade the Foxes to part with their tails.

MORAL OF THE STORY
>Do not listen to the advice of him who seeks to lower you to his own level.

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>>8167412
>hey anons, subs count is useless! Why don't we all just ignore that, having a big sub count is not that good

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>>8167334
Why playboard marks low subscriber/view ratio as bad then?

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Oh no no no Kuzushit bros...
Why is he declining so hard?

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>>8167352
Gaining subs is literally growth, not every fan of yours is going to watch every stream. Some watch clips, some only tune in for big streams.
What you're talking about is inclining average viewership, which is a completely different thing. 90% of vtubers grow over the time of their careers, a much smaller number actually incline.

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>>8167477
Keeps dying early and has to stare at nothing until a new game starts. The peak in these scrims is completely dependent on whether you do well or not.

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>>8167403
most people are going to sub to all 5, they are already subbing based on no content anyways. but one design in particular seems to be the odd one out.

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>count the non APEX streams
This will end up being the undoing of the industry

Props to Lain and Leos for not falling for the APEX meme and still succeeding

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This is actually hilarious. So 170% is bad now.

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>>8167525
the helicopter girl is a different design as well though

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>>8167177
Seems Moona and Botan will hit 1M by New Years.

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>>8167525
>but one design in particular seems to be the odd one out.
Two, actually

>ratgirl on the positive
>kuro gyaru girl on the negative

They should have made her thiccer

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>>8167545
>it's real
nice fucking website.

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>>8167473
>Why playboard marks low subscriber/view ratio as bad then?
It literally doesn't say it's "bad". The % is used because Playboard tracks all kinds of channels and you have many music cover channels or meme compilation channels with <1 mil subs that have videos with 10-20 mil views. Those channels would have a "high" rating for subs/view ratio.
Only retards in this thread have the idea that somehow getting more subs is a bad thing.

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>>8167545
The "low" is in relation to the big hitters, not in relation to the ratio of views / subs.

Here is an example for high

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>>8167543
didn't lain play apex a couple of times? her numbers weren't that impressive though

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>hey anons, subs are useful! My NijiEN tier oshi is totally very popular and relevant, all thanks to her 1 million subs!

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>>8167619
That "relation" part is retarded

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since when was Watame having a 3D? Did she just announce it at last moment yesterday yet again?

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>>8167473
Almost every vtuber has low/very low. The only one I could even find rated as Middle was that Niji Apex guy, and his is likely from getting a lot of views that aren't subs.

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>>8167665
She announced this weeks ago

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>>8167629
That’s a long winded, passive aggressive and salty way to say
>there is no relation between subs and CCV

I agree btw

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>>8167614
>It literally doesn't say it's "bad"
It says LOW and gets marked with red. Not sure what else that might imply.

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>>8167665
No, she announced it last week and has been promoting it every stream she's done. She even titled this stream "The most powerful and biggest announcement in the history of Watame". 90% sure it's an album announcement.

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there's no celebration just an announcement towards the end, expecting high 20s to low 40s for this.

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>>8167716
Any guests?

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>>8167759
Calli and Botan for sure

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>>8167693
>agree btw
Well some still don't.

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>>8167759
only calling in as far as I know

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>>8167629
She literally did a 300k VOD stream yesterday. None of the Niji girls have that for any stream they've done, even their debuts. Just because people don't watch ALL of your content doesn't mean they won't watch any of it.

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>>8167759
Botan is already here and there's another 5 teased, only other visible one on the thumbnail is Mori

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>>8167081
>Inuyama Tamaki is not a vtuber then

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>>8167629
>Superchat reading, a shill stream, and part 4 of a game nobody cares about
You sure showed them anon

>>8167839
Norio's last facecam stream was 4 months ago

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>>8167878
Except NijiEN numbers aren't much different from their usual even during superchat readings, shill streams, and """debuff""" games.

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>very big announcement + 3D
>only 30k
>anon predicted 90k+ in the previous thread
wwww

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>>8168098
He rectified it to 19k

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>>8168012
The effect is more pronounced the bigger the numbers are. Judging by recent streams Selen loses half of her viewers when not playing Apex.

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>>8167432
>>8167412
>Sees Kizuna Ai
>I guess that old fox is just a cunt who ignores sounds advices after all

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>>8168098
>>8159433 ?
Also, many predicted 40k+ assuming it'll be a 3D live, not a regular 3D stream.

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>>8168012
this is the time to post numbers to backup your claim anon

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>8168098
>false flag obviously ridiculous predictions
>bring it up again next thread to make sheep's numbers seem bad
Too pathetic, not even giving out a (You) for that one

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can anybody explain why lain's stream has more likes than kuzuha even though she has only half the viewers?

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>>8168170
It's going to get 40k at this rate anyway

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>>8167543
Fucking apex.

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>>8168213
Youtube filtering out spam viewers

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>>8168205
Tribalism is the cancer of this thread.

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>>8168098
>anon predicted 90k+ in the previous thread
we all know it was you, anon

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>>8167543
>how do apex tournaments work

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>>8168012
>superchat readings
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/bIQT1JLy0-U
lol you can literally see the moment she begins superchat reading

> """debuff""" games
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/6TEAicpjz1k
I guess Elira always gets 1.5k peak on her streams then, even for a 7 hour one.

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>>8168213
apexautists dont give a fuck

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>>8168012
There's a core of fans that will watch basically anything (or maybe just go afk, who knows). It's more obvious the lower the stream numbers. Kiara loses almost no one when she goes to SC reading from one of her debuff streams and sometimes even goes up if people find out she's talking about something interesting. Most of the IDs with small fanbases are the same. Meanwhile Gura can easily have 10k people instantly fuck off when she ends the game portion of her stream, if she reads SCs.

Selen's the most obvious in Niji EN, because she has the highest ceiling and the most people that drop off when she finishes her main content (Apex). Finana has a much lower variance because her streams are almost always just her core fans.

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>>8168213
collbas mixes leos and lain viewers so gets boosted on likes.
Kuzu apex watchers dont stay for his other content so they dont bother.

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>>8168213
A lot of kuzuha viewers don't even seem to bother to sub to him, much less leave likes.

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>>8168213
kuzuha has a lot of bot viewers planted by anycolor to show him off to investors

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>>8168340
I wonder how much of it is people just looking for an Apex stream and clicking on the biggest one? It's a thing that happens a lot on Twitch, people browsing from the directory will pad the numbers on popular games but evaporate when the streamer moves on to something else.

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>>8168295
> Meanwhile Gura can easily have 10k people instantly fuck off when she ends the game portion of her stream, if she reads SCs.
Not disagreeing with your overall point, but Gura's SC reading retention these days is pretty nuts.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/TApuosFkpHU
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/cW2Gu6Wmg8o
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/_7b01SjiiBE

In her past 3 streams where she read SCs, she's been keeping 10-13k people around.

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>>8168340
>>8168471
He got 51k playing RE8. You can stop being anally devastated over his success now.

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Kuzuha simply doesn't have dead subs and his content isn't all over the place. His audience is loyal.

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>>8167629
>hey anons, subs are useful! My NijiEN tier oshi is totally very popular
She is popular tho. Subs just show how much people know and like your channel.
>relevant
Is there a metric for that?

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>>8168340
Tose are apex watchers ina nutshell not just Kuzu.
Hal has the ame problem

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>>8168523
>>8168553
The best indicator of a streamer's truly dedicated fanbase is the numbers they get for their most boring content. For Kiara that's the 2000 people that will watch her read superchats, for Kuzuha the 15-22k who will watch him play Tarkov or shill Pokemon Unite for the 20th time.

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Male vtubers should be compared with non male vtubers, comparing them with female vtubers just makes you seem like a faggot.

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>>8168523
>>8168553
And Gura got 197k for her outfit reveal, what's your point?

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>>8168574
many*

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>>8168675
non vtuber males I mean

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>>8168689
Gura's median CCV is nowhere near Kuzuha's. He's even managing to match her in VOD views lately.

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>>8168689
This is an Apex stream, not a gimmick outfit reveal.

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>>8168553
Every vtuber has dead sub, otherwise Kuzuha should have 900K+ ccv

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>>8168675
They should really be contained on the male vtubers thread. /vt/ should really be /fvt/.

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>>8168689
The outfit that she never used again.

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>>8168728
>stacking buffs
this is like claiming Marine inclined so much she now can get 1M views with any content lol

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>>8168759
>>8168803
Is this what we call nijicope?

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>>8168759
>not a gimmick
neck yourself

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Why does it seems there's an APEX tournament every week in JP? and why kuzuha just has to take part in all of them? Is he that desperate to retain his numbers and resorts to pandering to APEX kiddies?

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>>8168523
Kuzuha's 51k playing RE8 for the first stream was a special circumstance. IIRC, he was playing on a special difficulty. His 2nd and 3rd streams were still 30-40k, but not nearly as high as 50k.

1st stream: https://playboard.co/en/video/qFqK8SjwNW8
2nd stream: https://playboard.co/en/video/_PiHUDYyIXw
3rd stream:
https://playboard.co/en/video/BXCFLsvolXY

lol he never even finished the game

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>>8168759
And they are now nowhere to be seen, where did his other 120k viewers vanish off to?

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>>8168838
gonna cry? Pomu beat your stupid shark.

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>>8168868
that joke's not funny anymore anon

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>>8168868
Imagine needing a team to beat one loli shark

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>>8168849
You're asking why one of the biggest apex streamers, who streams almost nothing but apex, appears in a lot of apex events?

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>>8168817
These scrims are as much of a buff for him as rhythm games are for Gura.

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>>8168868
Nah, during Coco's graduation. Gura appeared, she got 450K with only Coco on screen at most.
So she had 225K~450K CCV

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>>8168948
1) Kson
2) Pomu
9999) shark

it's okay, can't always beat indies or nijisanji. Fuwa also has the second most SC in a stream after Kson.

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>>8168948
Oh you kill him dude. Stop it!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sow0QGLrQ6E guys the saudis got over 90k dislikes wtf happened

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Kson is a camwhore, not a vtuber.

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feel free to link a shark stream with more SC than this, go ahead.

oh? poor viewers? sad!

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dont respond to the kuzu schizo

Also watame is gonna have a solo concert on zepp tokyo. Hope te coof is managed by then.

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>spamming/flooding

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>>8169034
>shark stream with more SC
she was never top SC streamer anon

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>>8169101
well this is a numbers thread, why discuss someone that sucks at it?

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>>8169064
According to the other thread, the max seating is only 2000, which means tickets will sell out for sure. There's like 3000 people who will watch Watame play with her thumbs for an hour.

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>>8168856
Also Kuzuha is a massive chicken that barely plays horror games, everyone wanted to see him freak out. It was kino as expected.

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>>8169034
The only stream that surpasses Gura's outfit in ccv/VOD/SC/liked/comments(all metrics) is Coco's graduation. Stop using other streams, there always be a stalement.

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>>8169064
isn't that the same venue hosting toko's live last year?

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>>8169161
nice goalpost moving, she lost to Pomu being the MVP in koushien. Too bad she fell out of relevance. Have they even had a 100k+ stream in the past 6 months?

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>>8169131
3000k people who are cool with leaving their room and going to a physical even with other humans?

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is this real SC numbers or bugged? why's kuzuha SC numbers so garbage the last few days?

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>>8169188
6 months would be February, mathsanji.

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>>8169188
You should add "another".

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>>8169221
Gachikois saving up for 1m stream

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>>8169246
>muh world's biggest v toober
cant even get 10k people for dmc lol, irrelevant

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>>8169161
>>8169101
I beg you guys, please stop responding to bait.

>>8169221
Collabs are always bad streams for SC money, this happens to holos too.

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>>8169221
Probably actually makes more off adrev than SCs, crazy as that is.

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>>8169283
how is it bait, the shark can't even beat Miko in viewers now. Never mind Pekora and Marine.

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>>8169188
anon, why are you trying to bait tribalfags in number thread?

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>>8169034
Imagine losing in SC to a fucking male in simp era.

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>>8169176
Her, Lize, Ange, Sasaki, and Belmond had a joint concert scheduled there that was cancelled due to COVID.

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>>8169329
Gwelu will make even more

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>>8169188
holy shit does nijiniggers unironically counting an appearance of a liver's name in an otherwise unrelated stream as a win? fuck this is a new low, or is this just a retarded SEAnigger shitting up the thread?

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>>8166378
remember the SEA peak hours, anons. Stop replying to dogs.

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>>8169329
stop responding to yourself, anon.
this is wrong thread to bait ppl

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>>8169034
>>8169329
Imagine coping so hard you change goalposts three times in a single argument

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>>8169324
Because idiots feel the need to respond to the obvious bait that's clearly meant to rule them up.
I swear these idiots...
Watame getting 40k was pretty solid though. Not sure anything else is beating that tonight unless there's a Niji event I missed.

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>>8169418
>Nijisanji top SC
>Nijisanji top viewed stream
what goalposts are being moved?

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>>8169254
This.

Kuzuha will get at least $100k on his 1m celebration. Prepare your anus holobronies.

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>>8169412
Please, it's all they have after the catastrophic failutre that is NijiEN, let them have it.

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>people arguing with incomplete or straight made-up data in the NUMBERS thread
I wonder if these threads will ever be good.

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>>8166351
>35 ips
>half way to bump limit
>2 hours thread
S-sugoi.. previous thread lasted 18 hours btw

[Anonymous No.]

Watame at the helm but major props goes to

>Moona
Excellent numbers, as usual, for an Utau stream and she may catch the outflow from Watame
>Helesta
For not falling for the APEX meme

[Anonymous No.]

Look at them nijiniggers scrambling all over themselves to pull every gun their company every had to fight one tiny loli shark

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>>8169412
it's bait

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>>8169518
>nijiniggers
sorry the only nigger vtuber is in HoloEN gen 2.

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>>8169412
Did you really call us a nijinigger when you guys have sana that hilarious holonigger.

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>>8169496
heles is lower than average tough. She usually gets 10k
but you are right no apex deserves a mention

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>>8169429
42k to be exact. It was more of a 3D variety stream to break the monotony of so many concerts I guess. Mio has her 3D live tomorrow with a boatload of guests.
Unless Kuzuha wins a scrim match, he's not getting 42k tonight I think.

>>8169466
They're usually not that bad when anons don't naively respond to cheap bait. Can't believe there are people here responding to Pomu Koshien spammer.

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>>8169453
ogey, keep sucking his pale dick then SEAnigger. Just know that he doesn't care about your broke, brown ass.

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>>8169443
>oh no we can't match them in subcount, better bring out the ccv
>oh no our only good ccv is a collab, better bring out the scs

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>>8169545
we don't hate all niggers, just you in special

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>>8169545
HEY HEY! Kuro Gyaru girls aren't niggers, they're if much honorary whites in a tan
>except that one in the top left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169539
>>8169545
Nijiniggers refers to the fans watching and it's far older than /vt/.
You would know that if you weren't a newfag. Or a nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169539
The only nigger shut the fuck up nijinigger you guys have a male one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169558
He won yesterday and that only peaked 36k

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169619
it's fine i'm sure Sana is a strong proud black woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169545
nigger is a state of mind anon, and you are one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169176
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000284.000030865.html
For this year

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169545
That's peak irony kek
Hypocrites

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169624
>He won yesterday
No he didn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169669
samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169588
It's a timeloop but they'd shut up if you bring up Coco's numbers for largest SC and largest viewership in a single stream. Of course, they'll move on by saying ">Using a dead body for numbers, despicable". That's how pathetic baiters are. Just ignore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169131
I doubt they're going to be allowed to use the full capacity due to the coof, I expect them to only use 500~1000 seats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169669
>>8169645
>>8169545
This amount of samefagging should get jannied

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169618
Cope holonigger that a black chick and a ugly one at that. We at least have a cute one at nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169689
NTA, but even I can tell he meant he won a scrim match. Come on lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169714
Sir, this is a Number thread. If you want to disuss the colour of the vtubers, make a thread for it

[Anonymous No.]

>we
>we
>we

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169714
If she's so good why does nobody know about her nijibronie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169714
WUT? That's not even Takaji-san tier of tanned.

This bloke right here tho ... suspiciously tanned

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169453
Good for him, Kuzuha is top 10 in superchats for a reason. Has literally nothing to do with Hololive or Holofags tho so take your tribal shit somewhere else, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

God these threads are so boring. It's just bait posts and people replying on cooldown to their own bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169785
>not even giving Hiromoot-san shekels for a pass
SAD!

[Anonymous No.]

When SEAnigger hours arrive the goalposts in this thread are made up of the bait they dump in the ocean behind a full throttle speedboat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169709
>>8169692
>>8169418
>>8169417
Schizospamming "samefag" should be bannable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169699
If the way Japan has handled things so far is any indication, they'll sell tickets to capacity just hoping it'll work out and then abruptly cancel the event

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169778
Is he the oldest one(debut) in the top 10 SC vtuber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169836
Nice edit, samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169739
>this is a Number thread
Here anons, let's rank the color of the vtubers from lighter to darker using this tool
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palette-generator/

Closer to #FFFFFF wins, no background allowed, must be png transparent

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169618
>we wuz
You'll never be japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169624
he wont get 40k unless e dominates
or until the actual toruney starts

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169865
Unless the coof is getting substantially worse near the concert and the government finally grow some spine to ban events, I doubt they'll cancel it. Niji did multiple lives in Zepp just fine. At worst, it's just going to be online only like Bloom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170103
>and the government finally grow some spine to ban events
They can't tho. They can strongly suggest and fine for non compliance but even the larger chains of restaurants, hostess bars just eat the fine and come out ahead anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169943
easy, just grab mio

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169064
Japan has had one of the worst responses by any developed country to the coof, wouldn't be surprised if they haven't managed to get it under control until summer 2022.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8169943
Kuzuha has similar colors to her. Is it the recipe for success?

[Anonymous No.]

Easy peasy the best stream ongoing right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chpFyiiOKfg

[Anonymous No.]

>Maruyama final episode
>no one talked about it
So, what's the cause of it's failure? I don't get it, Maruyama has Subaru and Marine so it's obviously better than Niji's shit programs featuring shit-tier people. Maybe Hololive fans REALLY don't like to watch something on official channel because they feel like they don't fully support the girls that way? Maybe Nijisanji fans are all hako oshi that will eat up anything 'official' regardless of quality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170224
Not bad, not bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170295
They aired it at the same fucking time everyone streams.
Choice of games are bad too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170295
>Maybe Hololive fans REALLY don't like to watch something on official channel because they feel like they don't fully support the girls that way? Maybe Nijisanji fans are all hako oshi that will eat up anything 'official' regardless of quality?
Nah, the easiest explanation is actually the most correct

>Maruyama is shit
>Whatever Niji alternative being compared is not shit

[Anonymous No.]

That was a bit embarrassing, 5chmatometard-chama. You can easily get the answer at the same place where you got that pic from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170224
Marine has similar color, I thought it's the color of banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170103
Niji has cancelled at least one live at that venue (the one with Toko/Lize/Ange/Sasaki/Belmond) and Cover has been much more cautious about the whole situation than them. Hopefully they don't fuck it up, Watame obviously really wants to be doing IRL live events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170392
>DOUBLE SPANISH WHITE
Spaniards confirmed for white

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170295
it has a second season for autum confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170426
Why did you bring up last year's example? Anniversary Festival 2021 was this year and you could use that instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Colors thread.

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAA KING, MY KNEES AAAAAA
Too bad he didn't win though

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170572
Holy shit you actually watch him???

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170295
They air it at primetime when everyone streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170572
He bleed 4k to 34k in less than a minute after he died. I will never understand Apex viewers. Are they just moving to the streams of people who are still in the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170650
Youtube tab out. If he was streaming on twitch this wouldn't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170295
They watch on phone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170691
That what's happening, people are still there just watching or reading something else while they wait for the action to pick up again after he dies.
Of course saying that the tabout theory has any merit gets called cope, who fucking knows, fucking YouTube and their obtuse antispam measures taking a tabout viewer as nonexistent for ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you unironically answering to a retard who couldn't even translate matome properly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170475
To illustrate that stuff can be and does get cancelled? Granted that was during the early days of the pandemic when people were sort of panicking, but the infection rate right now is over 4x what it was when AF2021 happened and is still rising. There is a real chance any events scheduled for the next few months don't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170691
>>8170759
The argument against the tab out theory in this specific case is that Kuzuha does not gain his viewers back quickly when the shooting starts again. They come in gradually as they get deeper into the match. For example, he doesn't peak at the same number every match. If he loses early, he peaks lower and vice versa.

That, combined with the higher than normal VOD views for this CCV, tells me that people are bouncing around streams instead to see the survivor's perspective and then defaulting back to Kuzuha for the next match. I mean, it's understandable since it's boring to watch them wait for the next match. The same phenomenon happens to Hal too, who also gets higher than normal VOD views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170835
We'll see in a week

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170650
Jop apex autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170962
The thing is, EVERYONE is going to tab in at a crucial moment. It doesn't account for those who are tabbed out through the rest of the match.

[Anonymous No.]

Tabbing out definitely doesn't make you less of a viewer. I'd also be surprised if most people watching in JP weren't using their phone like a seanigger

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN2's sub performance is extremely underwhelming. I was expecting them to be at 170k by now but they're barely ahead of pre debut NijiEN 2. People must really be turned off by HoloEN, I can see why they were only able to get a newbie, some artist, and 2 2views to join.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170295
It’s a shittier version of nijis show, I’m glad that shit is over

[Anonymous No.]

>8171358
Bad Anon, you don't even get a you for this bait.
People probably got their sub removed without even noticing, we'll see how it goes by the time debut day rolls around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170962
its a cumbud cope ignore them and especially in Japan where these nigs are mobilefags

[Anonymous No.]

>>8171444
They lost 60k subs at once and have lost 5k subs twice since the initial cut so it's quite significant. I agree that it's a pointless number until they debut tho. 300k by the end of the first week sounds about right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8171358
They have shachi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8171497
I'd find this acceptable, except for the fact that Marine's live with the scuff where they had to rerun it from. The start. They kept the same frame, and as soon as the sound came on and the recording started playing, the ccv shot through the roof.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/dVlNi7Pby0w
While I don't believe the tabbed out theory accounts for ALL of the drop, I do believe it contributes to some of it, with some of it being how mobile users are counted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170835
>>8170426
>>8170103
Rin in Zepp Nagoya
https://event.nijisanji.app/shizuka_recollection/

[Anonymous No.]

Kuzuha really lives rent free in your minds huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>8170426
There's Raindrops, Noraneko mystery event, Nijiquiz 3D, and Rin 3D happening live, Anycolor is doing covid cases RTA

[Anonymous No.]

Botan just wants to have fun, isn't it? She has the funniest and most enjoyable casual collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172639
It’s her retirement job after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172548
Imagine if some of their livers haven't been vaccinated and they catch it...not gonna be a good look if that happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172639
Posting an image with numbers in it doesn't magically make your irrelevant opinion numbers related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172821
S-Salty!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172671
If you're implying we're getting another 40 years of Botan, then i'm fine with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172693
Literally nobody cares, lofi got the coof and she's 100% fine as is everyone under 70 and not morbidly obese who gets it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173007
>Literally nobody cares, lofi got the coof
Well ...

[Anonymous No.]

Since this is the numbers thread and I know there's a language barrier but; aren't all the JP streamers bad at making youtube titles? Even thumbnails are a little bit too much focused on attracting people who are already fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173007
The perception is probably different if someone gets it at a work event. I know I would have been pissed if I'd had to go to the office when it was really bad here.
If you think about it though there's no real reason for the performers to be in close contact with anyone, they're just dancing around in mocap suits in another room. The risk would be for the audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8172693
Tomoe said that all of member must get their vacc shot before participating in niji event. I think she said that in her after 3D debut freetalk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173159
I don't see a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173229
Okay, if that's the case they'll be fine. The attendees on the other hand...well, if you go and you aren't in a high risk group or are vacc'd I guess it's not the end of the world.
>>8173269
Ouch...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173229
Now that you mention it, kson mentioned regarding the vaccine that “her former employer” would arrange vaccine appointments when they became available in the prefectures they lived in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173847
Poor hags and their limited eggs

[Anonymous No.]

How will the new HoloEN affect NijiEN's numbers?
>new HoloEN regulary collab with Nijis, causing their numbers to increase
>NijiEn fans(formerly Holo fans) abandon them to watch Hololive instead, they now all have 2-3 digit viewers
>everything stay the same, because NijiEN fans and Hololive fans are different group of people and they don't overlap
Which one is the most likely to happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174165
>HoloEN gets more viewers initially but loses all of those viewers to NijiEN by the end of the year when they prove to be the superior streamers because they can collab with guys and not worry about unicornfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174165
It really depends on how many of the people currently watching NijiEn are just tourists waiting for the latest and greatest thing to come along, if they're dual-watchers, or if they're jilted ex-holoEN fans.
The more tourists there are, the worse off they'll be.
The less able that HoloEN Gen 2 is able to grab new blood/expand the market, the worse off all the smaller agencies and HoloGen1 will be numbers wise, as they'll just end up cannibalising existing viewers.
I don't think NijiEN is going to be hurt significantly as I believe they've had time to secure a good portion of their current viewership, but they may lose some viewers if they overlap.
IMO if this Gen had come out sometime in July, NijiEN would be in way more trouble.
>>8173159
Right, here's a video that talks in part about that sort of thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng
The thing is, the girls stream multiple times a week and also have other commitments that are holorelated outside of just streaming.
Yes, a good thumbnail and title are important for getting people to click, but unlike a single vid that might come out once every few weeks, some of them are streaming every day.
As such, they likely don't commit as much time/energy as they should to their thumbnail+title game except for special events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174165
There is obviously a desire to grab the Western market by both companies. Hololive has the advantage, and with Gen 2, is likely to keep it. Whether Niji EN drops in numbers or not remains to be seen, and depends on how big the Western market is.

Another question is whether Holo EN Gen 2 will affect Gen 1. I think Gen 2 will help pull in more viewers sure, and overall grow the market, but at the same time could create winners and losers. For example: Gura might go up by more people coming in, but Mori might go down (this is just an example). Depending on what the people like more.

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>>8174246
Who the fuck are the 'guys' that they're going to collab with? We're not talking about JP vtuber scene here, there's no relevant male vtuber in EN scene.
Also, Kiara and Mori do collab with males, don't they? So that's not even a problem for them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174529
I don’t think that was a serious post.

[Anonymous No.]

the owl is catching up to the rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174692
wtf i remember it was 100k+ yesterday. did they stopped the count?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174770
susan axed around 60K subs yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>8171838
irrelevant
https://twitchtracker.com/shachimu

[Anonymous No.]

>>8174812
> 3 month old account
> literally 0 content
> 100k+ subs in two days out of the blue

Bitch, please. It was obvious that Susan would cull those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8173159

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175075
cover is retarded, they should let them upload short (even if mute) clips of their live2Ds

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175369
>they should let them upload short
IRyS got away pretty much unscathed, NijiEN girls got a heavy cull as well.

There is only one person that can escape the fickle nature of the algorithm and that's Haachama, to the point she has to PRETEND to get bonked by Youtube because no matter how far she goes they never take exception with her content (and even tag some as "for kids")

[Anonymous No.]

Someome tell the holostats faggot to update the site with EN2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175438
Only two of them (Elira and Pomu). Why do you keep repeating that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175481
This but piyo (I'm not assed enough to fill requests for them)

[Anonymous No.]

Miko climbing up to and past 22k as she gets progressively longer into her challenge of reaching 1st place in Mario Kart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175496
>Only two of them
I fail to see how that invalidates what I said

>>8175481
>Someome tell the holostats faggot to update the site with EN2.
Anyone wanting to do it and with a github account could open an issue or contact him here
https://github.com/PoiScript/HoloStats

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175438
IRyS got like 40k subs cut, she just got them back quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

What a breath of fresh air, when APEX autism finishes for the day
>except for that one chick, Kanji ki Chiriro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175748
40k out of the 200k she had is not as deep as 40k out of 100k. But yeah, her growth was something otherwordly, on debut momentum alone she rose to Mel's doorsteps

[Anonymous No.]

kneel to the power of Solo Tamaki

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176167
(gacha)

[Anonymous No.]

Miko's poll has 86k votes and peak CCV is 23k, Just goes to show much people tune into said streams even if it's for 1-3 seconds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176295
For a 3 hours stream to exhibit that pattern, and assuming it had 23k from the first second
>66k people would have to join and leave stream after 3 seconds without overlapping
>3 hours = 180 minutes = 3600 * 3 seconds
>63000 / 3600 = 17.5
Meaning during the 3 hours of stream every three seconds 18 people would join in, vote in the poll and drop off, every 3 seconds for three hours straight.

Double the interval, double the number of people per interval meaning if they stay 30 seconds after voting it would need 180 different people doing that every 30 seconds, join stream, vote, drop off

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176634
Not impossible, but man that is a lot of churn.
Legit wish, just for one day, we could scrape ALL these metrics from just one chubba's channel. Just slurp it all up so we have good references for future numbers.
Ah well, the girls don't really want to worry about this sorta stuff though, not that I blame them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176634
Interestingly enough that's what the chart for the stream shows
>from one hour and a half into the stream until two hours the stream oscilated between 19k and 20k, staying above for some 20 seconds then dropping back below 20k

Looks like a very weird and schizophrenic behaviour for 43k people (double the peak CCV) to join the stream, vote in the poll and leave before 30 seconds have passed and never return but both the math and the chart shows exactly that

>except, of course, if about 30 seconds is how much time it takes for Youtube to determine a new viewer is a "spam viewer" and drop him from the count

[Anonymous No.]

>>8175787
Yuuki Chihiro

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176827
Yeah, thanks, didn't want to "Ya-goo" her name

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of big numbers.
8 days for Unison to hit 2 mil viewers.
Other than Reflect, R.I.P and KuzuKing, have we had anything at this speed?

If i remember right, even Ghost, Red and Ange's Vampire weren't this fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176940
Oh yeah, Goodby Sengens i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176990
This thing is STILL getting like, 400k views a week.
It is actually disgusting just how much momentum Ayame's cover of this song has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176940
>Other than Reflect, R.I.P and KuzuKing, have we had anything at this speed?
Ayame's Goodbye Sengen: 9 days to 2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1W4c7ym49Y

Absolutely blessed

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177107
to be fair it's not like nakirigumi have any streams to watch, may as well play her covers on loop while she plays lol and fucks her boyfriend

[Anonymous No.]

I’m going to say what some may be thinking but no one said yet: it’s possible that IRyS being released just before Gen 2 has stolen some of the new release thunder. Like we recently already seen this before sort of thing from Cover.

I think they should’ve released IRyS after Gen 2, and not before it.

[Anonymous No.]

Numberfriends, I come with a question.
Miko is streaming right now with 21k live viewers. She also has a poll in her chat for how long the endurance stream will last, which has over 91k votes. No matter how big the turnover rate is, I don't believe than in the past 3.5 hours 70k people tuned in and left. Obviously I'm aware of the youtube bug, which is why I want to ask, how big an effect do you think it is having on her viewers at the moment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177436
>Miko is streaming right now with 21k live viewers. She also has a poll in her chat for how long the endurance stream will last, which has over 91k votes
That’s actually common. Yes, people do come and go in a nearly 4 hour stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177436
We don't know.
We don't know what metrics are being used to cull viewers from the count, only that there's definitely culling going on as seen from >>8176754
There is absolutely some amount of turnover going on, however, trying to speculate as to the exact cause (Tab-out, regional viewers, adblock, etc) is going to be a futile effort. Unless someone can shanghai thousand+ IP network that's located in the same geographical region and then test the various theories, we will never know as YT wants to keep the exacts as opaque as it can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177107
>>8177122
It's the best cover of goodbye sengen, far better than the original too, although that's not much of an accomplishment to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177260
I think a few people have said it too, because probably yes.
It's more of a case of expectations not being met too many times, since people were like "EN2 is coming" since before Iry's debut, but it took 2 more months.
The promotional videos would be more so responsible. Looks like the lore campaign backfired because of those long countdowns that lead to nothingburgers. At least they dropped them and had a normal video drop when they were actually presented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177260
I agree. IRyS couldn't carry the hype and disappointed prospective viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177599
Yeah, it's the Envy Baby effect, where Polka was getting way more views in that song's prime than her max audience.
>>8177175
But very much this as well.
Both Ayame and Aqua were getting a lot of views for their covers while they were on hiatus. Aqua came back enough and released more covers and songs, while Ayame barely streamed 5 times since? Her 1 other cover is performing really well too, but it's not the definitive Ghost in a Flower, like her Goodbye Sengen has become.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177436
I dunno but she needs to hurry and win.

Always seems like there's some internal drama going on when she could have did a regular stream but instead is sucking up viewers all evening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177622
>>8177656
Which means their performance on debut day is very important to grab attention, probably more so than it would’ve been.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177436
>>8177507
See >>8176634 and >>8176754

>>8177507
>That’s actually common. Yes, people do come and go in a nearly 4 hour stream.
it would take 180 different people each 30 seconds to join the stream, vote, leave the stream, continuously during the 4 hours without missing any 30 seconds period.

It is not impossible but it is schizophrenic. Here is the tale of four streams

Watame: https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/VYk1zdGfPzI
Maimoto: https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/vVCamdQgUr4
Hal: https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/O2Gkam-w4ow
Miko: https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/5XgOWuKwcjc

Watame's and Maimoto's have an expected pattern
> Watame
3D Live: people join continuously and stay to the end without much variation due to the short duration
> Maimoto
People join and leave in a seemlingly random fashion with either a persistent upward trend or a persistent downward trend

Then you have two types of schizophrenic behaviours:

>Hal
People stay until the conclusion of a fight, then bail when there are "dead time" then either they themselves return when the fight picks up speed or some other completely different people enter the stream up until the more or less same peak

and last
>Miko
Bounces EXACTLY between 19k people and 20k people for half an hour, with 200 people joining and leaving every 30 seconds maintaining the exact same peak in an almost straight line for a long time

Both the APEX example and the "schizo chart" example are hard to explain. It is possible to formulate theories but it looks more like an artifact caused by the algorithm measuring CCV than regular human behaviour

[Anonymous No.]

>>8176689
Yeah, wish one chuba would do a "youtube testing stream", asking people who tune in to vote in chat if they're using an adblock, telling them to not alt tab at the start until viewers stabilise, then asking them to alt tab at the same time to check the effect. YouTube would probably bonk it though lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>8178079
>YouTube would probably bonk it though lol
Yeah, fastest way to get your channel bonked is to exhibit any sort of unnatural behaviour

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177931
There are a lot of JP who also switch between VTuber streams, and of course will see the poll since it’s very obvious, then probably vote and leave soon after. But I’m sure some of it is YouTube lowering the count a bit, just probably not by a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177931
> It is possible to formulate theories but it looks more like an artifact caused by the algorithm measuring CCV than regular human behaviour
Susan can only make estimated guesses on the number of live views. The viewers simply do not exist unless she says so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8177931
hm nice catch. I dont know why youtube decides to pick on Miko but not on Watame, who usually has less viewers and is having a bigger max. Maybe it is the time of start, because it is past jp prime time so AI won't accept it is getting that high?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8178342
>I dont know why youtube decides to pick on Miko but not on Watame
Does Miko have a greater amount of Western viewers? If so, maybe that is the reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8178180
>There are a lot of JP who also switch between VTuber streams, and of course will see the poll since it’s very obvious, then probably vote and leave soon after.
Twice as many as the ones who stay for longer than 30 seconds is a hard pill to swallow

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anyone pointing this out outside of the vtuber community? I literally never hear anything about it.

Seems really weird for youtube to go nationalistic with streaming, if anything they should want people to be interested in other races.

[Anonymous No.]

We all believe that YouTube is lowering the live viewer count to some degree right, but is that dependent on the device being used? For example: Mobile users would be less likely to be removed from the count. Maybe then this effects the VTubers differently depending on what their audience primarily uses to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if there's' a method to determine the average age of certain chuuba's viewers. I notice some would start strong around prime JP hours (8 to 10 pm) and gradually lose about 1 ~ 3k viewers as the night went on, while other chuuba maintains consistent viewers throughout the stream.
Obviously the simplest answer would be certain chuuba are more entertaining than others. This also depends on the type of stream (viewer participation stream would have higher participants and retention rate compare to singler player stream) and whether or not it is a weekday or weekend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8178610
if we assume this is still valid >>8171497 would that mean live viewer numbers are anywhere from 0% to 30% off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8178610
I also firmly believe they don't count people who watch with adblock turned on and from people who uses 3rd party software like holodex

[Anonymous No.]

>>8178583
I'm pretty sure BTS has noted that YT has done some fucky things (KPOP) with views, but I don't think anyone else has publicly available tools that the v-tubing community has developed to look at these things.
I'm pretty sure that behind closed doors, youtube streamers can see this fuckery as well and they probably discuss it, but understandably numberfagging is seen as 'uncool', so they will never talk to their audience about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Miko's bouncing graph is because of the game she's playing you fucking idiots. The hills and valleys match each race exactly. This is extremely common in this type of game too.

[Anonymous No.]

How do we save Mori? She's declining harder than Gura.

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>>8178811
a collab with charlie

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>>8178704
>I'm pretty sure BTS has noted that YT has done some fucky things (KPOP) with views
Maybe the YouTube AI specifically looks for East Asian accounts, and deducts more viewers because of the abuse to their system by some of their extreme fans. This would make some sense, and explain why VTubers with accounts from Japan are effected. Even Holo EN has Japanese accounts. The idea would be that such extreme fans are more likely to bot than others. I know many East Asian people can be VERY competitive, and maybe the AI discriminates a bit to balance for it. Just a thought.

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If Youtube bites it hard enough to force a temporary switch to Twitch for more than one off streams it would be very interesting to see how the numbers compare. Even the one offs are interesting points of comparison but hard to do much with single data points. Suspect the JP vs EN numbers would behave very differently, at least until the fanbases were trained.

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>>8178795
>The hills and valleys match each race exactly
Each race takes exactly 2 minutes? Because between 01:19 and 02:16 she
>bounced up and down in equally spaced intervals of 2 minutes
>without missing a single minute
>without ever going below 19k or over 20.9k

Every minute of that range she went up some 500 people a minute and down again the next minute, without missing a minute.
IFeach race takes exactly 2 minutes (including the time waiting for the next race) your theory has merit

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>>8178971
hm but what does YT get out of that?

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>>8178704
A lot of changes to how YouTube work has been directly caused by KPOP fans being able to exploit the system as much as possible.

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>>8177599
Interestingly searching the title in English gives me Ayame's cover above the original. Japanese is the original first followed by several utaite and Hololive covers

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>>8178704
Kpop stans are obsessed with numbers and breaking records. YT doesn’t cut the views BUT IT STOPS THE VIEWCOUNT for certain amount of time. That shit causes fanwars between those kpop fandoms since they shame each other when they do not break records because yt stops the viewcount.

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>>8179078
Racism, but unironically

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>>8179122
>Mafumafu and Rushia next to each other
fitting

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>>8179146
So your average vtuber fans are no better than Kpop stan?

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>>8179078
>hm but what does YT get out of that?
I don’t think it’s necessarily what YouTube gets out of it, but rather how they think the AI should deal with hardcore fans of groups like BTS, by making adjustments in an attempt at fairness. Knowing that hardcore fans actually try to change the numbers artificially. This might be affecting VTubing too, and many East Asian accounts that are assumed to have such hardcore fans. But who knows.

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>>8168213
Holofans

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>>8178583
>>8178704
Unfortunantly there aren't that many youtube livestreamers in the west, the majority uses twitch, so it's even harder to gather more info on this.

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>>8168213
apex is only good for live viewers, it's garbage for any other metric

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>>8179289
>So your average vtuber fans are no better than Kpop stan?
It is the same but in fewer numbers. If one day a vtuber breaks a billion views in a single song you would see the same cancer in the same scale.

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>>8179504
In my opinion, many Japanese people who watch VTubers do seem to be somewhat concerned about numbers (or competitive enough to care). So it’s possible that VTubing has a good deal of hardcore fans (both in the East and West) that already tried to artificially effect the numbers, and this is the fallout from it.

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>>8178811
new album release is probably the biggest fuel for her

it's been a few months since Your Mori

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>>8179504
I still don't get the appeal of KPOP to this day. I mean some of the songs are pretty good but it's not something that I'd think would explode like it has.

Anyway, going back to EN2 numbers, unless Susan and her Pajeets get their shit straight, my 200k prediction is pretty much dead in the water. Owl is only 400subs behind rratt which honestly baffles me since her design looked to not be zoomer friendly (it's my favorite of the group though despite that).

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>>8179720
>purge the views and subs of thousands of innocent viewers because a small minority uses bots
There are multiple alternatives to this, but I guess YouTube follows the "one kid in class steps out of line, the whole class gets punished" system and noone can tell them otherwise since they have a monopoly

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>>8179720
It's nothing to do with vtubing and everything to do with kpop fans a d people like dream who fucked up the system. Vtubing is just collateral damage

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>>8178811
>Mori
kek, does ANYONE even call her that instead of Calli?

Anyway, here is her weekly median for 2021 in a completely different chart format that includes, both visually and in writing, the median and number of streams that week.

Calli seems to be holding her median between 5k and 8k, with some weeks being stronger for varied reasons.

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>>8170295
It did it's best numbers today , 10k plus watching the premiere

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>>8180044
>but I guess YouTube follows the "one kid in class steps out of line, the whole class gets punished"
But the AI is not accurate enough in its judgements, so I assume it has to do something when abused by hardcore fans. I don’t think there is an easy answer, because it cannot easily separate the good from bad. So it’s more broad. But we could be wrong about all this. It’s just a thought.

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>>8179981
>I still don't get the appeal of KPOP to this day.
The simply took the concept of "boy band" and "girl band" and picked up from where the western labels dropped.

There is conceptually no difference between the success of The New Kids on The Block in the 80s, Take That, Backstreet Boys and NSYNC in the 90s and 00s, One Direction in the 2010s and whatever shovelware coming from Korea these days gets called "KPop"

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>>8180131
>It's nothing to do with vtubing and everything to do with kpop fans a d people like dream who fucked up the system
Possibly, but we don’t actually know.

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Mori fans are mostly for her music, Look at her last two music releases.
Envy Baby and Grim Reaper live streamer, both 1.2 million in two weeks, Digging out her livestream numbers is pointless, She's clearly not about that streaming life like others.

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>>8179146
>Kpop stans are obsessed with numbers and breaking record
So kpop fans are numberfags…

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>>8180484
I agree, she does shit stream numbers. The are terrible. Good point.

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>>8180197
>does ANYONE even call her that instead of Calli?
How to tell someone is new...

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>>8180639
I genuinely only saw bait threads calling her that.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kuzuha playing idol manager for 16 people
Haters and losers BTFO!
>Anti idol faggots BTFO!
Non-kneelers BTFO!

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>>8180757
16k, I surely mean

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>>8180757
>>8180783
If he was streaming it to just 16 people it would be based though

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>>8180757
>barely beating Miko sc-reading

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>>8180840
Miko SC reading to over 10k is huge. Doubles as zatsus tho and she’s very entertaining

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>>8179011
This happened yesterday to Elira, she tried to stream Omori twice yesterday on youtube and it kept disconnecting her, for the first 10 min video she had 800 ccv, for the second 4 min video she had 100 ccv,as soon as she gave up and went to twitch she got 1.8k viewers and maintained that throughout. It's not perfect because she decided to not play Omori on twitch and instead just fucked around chatting and playing some jump king, but it's still insightful.

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>>8180918
I imagine more than half of 'em are asleep though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8180757
What the fuck is he doing playing this garbage at 4am?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8181816
idol manager is pretty fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>8181816
he needs a break from APEX.

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>>8180757
Pretty low number overall tonight.

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>>8181869
If you play it with the content that was in earlier betas but stripped from the Steam release it's even more fun.

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Did IRyS gain Twitter followers at the same rate at Holo EN gen2? Maybe the numbers between IRyS and Gen 2 is more of a YouTube issue, if Twitter doesn’t show much of a difference?

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>>8182729
Is it not normal for a new Vtuber to have over a 2:1 ratio of Twitter followers to Youtube subscribers?

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>>8182868
JP (1:1~1.5:1) EN(1.5:1~2:1) Gura(3:1)

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>6k people watching an empty black screen
Sugoi

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>>8183076
For those who missed
https://youtu.be/I0RmbdKUGiQ

>12 min of blank screen
>peaked around 9k and would incline if it didn’t end

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>>8183076
>>8183345
I was wondering why my auto play to the next music wasn't working, turns out I was playing the stream kek. Was it accidental or intentional?

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>>8183421
Likely accidental. She made 350€ on it kek, 20€ per minute of blank screen.

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>>8183518
Almost 30, even

[Anonymous No.]

N-Nijisanji ID…

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>>8183899
When vnuma was still around, I saw some of them streaming for ~10 people.

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>>8184333
Puts Anya’s numbers and the tender and care her mates in the branch and the JP and EN too give her in a whole different perspective.

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>>8183899
That's low for Layla, her main content is her history streams which get 100-200 usually
>>8184491
Layla also interacts with NijiJP and EN lol

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>>8183073
I assume you meant for those to be inverted?

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live members only numbers

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>>8171388
it's just end of season 1 retard. its comming back this fall at full swing