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Previous >>8165666

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ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

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Looks like Marine has a chance at the race for second to 2M.

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Kiara's current game is a debuff game? Otherwise I don't understand why she didn't go over 3k during 7 hours.

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>>8186317
zelda is alwasya debuff game in most presentations.
Even leos candace of hyrule was a terrible debuff and was a completely different genre

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Is one of the strangest debuff games, since there is much worse things to watch; but I didn't watch click on her playing it. I've only watched Noel play it a bit.

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>>8186317
The whole Zelda series is overhyped trash.

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Predictions on HoloEN2 debut numbers (strongsest/weakest member's live viewers amount, sub amount right before debut, sub amount right after debut).


My prediction:

Weakest:
Viewers - 72k peak
Subs before - 122k
Subs after - 136k

Strongest:
Viewers - 103k peak
Subs before - 148k
Subs after - 197k

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>>8186187
Marine is strong, but I still thing this is gonna be between Mori and Peko

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>>8186187
The numbers don't add up for Marine unless she manages to stay above 100k for at least the rest of the year. The only one with a real shot of beating Pekora to 2M subs is Mori unless Korone somehow goes viral again.

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>>8186317
Japanese audiences like to watch Zelda more than English audiences, I presume. They're generally more lenient on debuff games in general. idk how Miko is getting 7-8k on that current PSP game she's playing.

Kiara's used to it by now and she has enough buff streams like Holotalk to salvage her monthly median.

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>>8186663
Too early

>>8186187
Gura still going strong with 30k subs per week

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>>8186663
Botan and Lamy had 100k viewers for their debut over a year ago, I think it's safe to up those expectations a bit

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>>8188890
That's for JP
The highest would be Irys with 90k on her debut for the EN side.

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>>8188890
Everyone in this gen is growing at a much slower rate than IRyS and IRyS had 92k for her debut.

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>>8189023
>growing at a much slower rate than IRyS
That's only because they got SUSANED, did anyone keep track of how many subs got culled?

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>>8189088
60K+

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>>8189088
>did anyone keep track of how many subs got culled
a lot, about 40%
>That's only because they got SUSANED
not really. For example, rat (fastest in growth), reached her 100k without Susan's intervention in 22 hours, but it was about 4 times slower than Irys. Susan came later.

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>>8188890
>>8189015
Also consider that IRyS debuted at 10AM JST, while EN2's relay runs from 2AM to 9AM. Whatever numbers they get will have to be without the Japanese audience watching.

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>>8189088
In a way, for next generations, they should do short videos without a voice and upload daily on YT to prevent getting targeted by the bot. YT already implemented the short videos feature and those things are kinda addicting. Better yet, I don't know why they don't use Tik Tok as a form of advertisement too.

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>>8189249
>rat (fastest in growth), reached her 100k without Susan's intervention in 22 hours, but it was about 4 times slower than Irys.
thats mostly because Irys debut had a huge counter letting everyone know a new vtuber was coming, so people were prepared to come watch, an then sub. Council girls was a bit more random, on the third teaser, so people found out through out the day.
To give practical numbers, Irys 8 hrs countdown had about 40 or 50k people watching on the 0; while council's teaser premiere were about 20k that could sub immediately. But in the end, council teaser has already passed irys' over in total views, in just 2 days.

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>>8189249
>but it was about 4 times slower than Irys
IRyS had 400K after 22 hours?

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>>8186187
God Gura is a fucking monster

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>subs get nuked by Susan, already back on track to be over 100k by debut
>Sana's insane enthusiasm gap

A lot to unpack here

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>>8186071
Kuzuha is too strong. He will end up with 35k-40k median views this month.

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>>8186187
You guys told me that Gura excels at VOD views and she is behind Marine, Pekora and EN's flagship just in that picture.

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>>8190344
She had 100k in 5 hours, anon.

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>>8190679
On a per stream basis. Pekora and Marine stream way more than Gura, and Mori has like half her VoD views in music.

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>>8190592
Is this an old chart?

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>>8186187
is she intentionally manipulating the algo or just blessed by youtube's rng? her dedicated fanbase isn't as big as top holomems/kuzuha but she beats all of them on getting new people to click her videos

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Here is a prediction:
30 days after HoloEN2 debut, after everything will be back to normal after debut buff, HoloEN1 will miss about 30% of their usual average viewers.

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>>8190592
He just had one stream that's below his usual numbers this month (Idol manager, ~16k peak) but otherwise yeah, almost every stream he's done in August so far has been either Koshien (50-60k+) or Apex scrim (at least 36k). He also has his 140k Yamada Ryosuke collab this month too. His normal streams like his non-scrim Apex and 5-Niji Pokemon Unite collabs actually are dragging his median down by "only" being 26k.

>>8191063
This is August 2020 I think. Lize and Maimato are not getting 35k medians in August 2021 lol

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>>8186187
I wonder if/when Mori will get to 2nd place.

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Why does it feel like EN2's subs havent moved all day.


Is this Susan Fuckery?

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>>8191360
Yes. In addition, they are indeed quite slow, compared to Irys.

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>>8191213
>her dedicated fanbase isn't as big as top holomems/kuzuha
Marine is literally a top 2 HoloJP in terms of CCV and top 5 in subs. idk how that doesn't constitute as a top holo. Every stream Marine has done in August is either a good collab (with Korone), a costume/celebration stream, or pure genius like her 3D stream. Marine is absolutely on fire on right now.

Her VOD views are out of control too because she's been uploading shorts like crazy and they get 1 mil views each usually within a day.

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Whos going to have higher viewership
HoloEN2 Debuts or VSaikyou Last round where all the viewers get pooled to the main stream? The number to beat is somewhere around 100-150k if I remember correctly except its on mildom.

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>>8188813
>Gura still going strong with 30k subs per week
She had 7.2k per day just 2 months ago, and maybe like 6.2k a month ago I think. Now she’s at 4.33k, which is low for her. She’s been declining in subs, so maybe she will get a boost soon.

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>>8191433
>>8191213
sorry, didn't put her name in the post, i'm referring to gura

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>>8191515
Probably debut, but I doubt that it will pass 100k.

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>>8191515
VSaikyou Last round imo. JP live viewing audience is bigger than EN's and the hype for EN2 so far isn't as high as Irys (It's not bad, Irys's hype was just out of this world). Not sure if it's going to make a big diff, but EN2's debut times are really awful for JP too.

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>>8191360
Since youtube has removed their subs multiple times now in 5k increments, we have no idea what their pre-debut subgrowth now. I hate youtube some times.
Twitter followers are probably the best barometer we have left.

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>>8191723
>Twitter followers are probably the best barometer we have left.
For comparison, what would Gen 1 have right now in Twitter followers?

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>>8191515
I would be really impressed if en beat vsaikyou, I will say that. I don't think they will.

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>>8191871
Do you think there will be someone streaming Apex with more than 80k-90k (estimated debut numbers) viewers?

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>>8191515
Hal doesn't force participants to stop streaming their POV just so the main channel get big views like CR cup. Results came out the moment game 5 ended. The highest will be 10k more than during the game. It will be around 120k, 130k is the absolute peak.

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>>8191515
>mildom
im pretty sure its going to be on Harus yt channel.

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Holo EN Gen 2 isn’t getting as much attention as you would normally think. They clearly fucked up the reveal, and it will now depend on the debut to draw more interest.

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Uh Susan...

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>>8192067
Minus another 2k

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>>8192014
>Holo EN Gen 2 isn’t getting as much attention as you would normally think
ogey

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>>8192067
based susan

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>>8192086
actually minus 30k on everyon but owl

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>>8192067
Sana…. Umm…

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>>8192086
>2k
The others got another 30K axed.

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>>8192067
Wtf, nigger's subs are less than a half of rat's. At first she was only behind by like 10k max.

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Holobots getting culled. Now I want to see Gura lose like 2 million subs, that would be amazing.

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>>8192067
I got auto unsubbed from Sana for the second time on my premium account, I am now 100% certain Susan is racist.

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>>8192120
>The others got another 30K axed
So what’s going on? They will be down to zero in no time if this keeps up.

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>>8192014
>They clearly fucked up the reveal
Council has more views in 2 days now than Irys's debut PV after a month (806k vs 755k). More likes too (75k vs 59k). Whatever fuck up they made with Prelude didn't seem to have a lasting effect.
I do kind of agree that HoloCouncil's pre-debut hype feels weird. Honestly it's probably because they're debuting a colored vtuber and I have no idea how Sana will be received, especially since she's starting the relay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnxCyzFgPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=242NgSGBo54

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Sana now below Ankimo I think.

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>>8192112
No. From what moment? It was normal for like 3 hours up until now, and Susan only took like 2k right now. Rat had 78.2k, but now has 76.2k.

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>>8191518
She hasn't been streaming a lot recently, so her subs will not grow particularly fast. The only thing Gura's sub count is worth for is assesing how large the potential audience for vtubers is anyways.

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>>8192067
I just had to resub to ceres just now.. the others remained (this time?)

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Maybe Cover needs to put a small video clip to each channel before it drops to zero?

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>>8192014
>>8192109
To be fair I got recommended that gigguk guys video about vtubers from watching a fighting game content creator's video.

At the very least youtube helped a lot back then.

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>>8192067
Hako to 53k, dropping in real time

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>>8192205
now
rat is now at 50k

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>>8192171
Susan’s bot see a fresh account with no content having a sudden influx of subs they will think are others bots so they axed it.

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>>8192239
Yes, now it has changed.

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>>8192230
Honest to gods, we know Subs =/= CCV, but this is just hilarious and depressing to see happen in real-time.

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>>8191518
I'd say her current 30K a week is her normal growth, but she can get 50K a week with a buff like she did with the release of Reflect.

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>>8192269
>They should just copy Niji's strategy - make a short, soundless video on each channel.

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>>8192239
>rat is now at 50k
I think with no inference by YouTube she would be at 150k now?

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>>8192310
On the bright side, at least there won't be people bitching about how only 1/3rd of the people who subbed watched their debuts live, like some trolls here did for Irys when she "only" got 90k out of 235k subs to watch.

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They're still losing subs btw, every time I refresh at least one of them has lost another 100-200.

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>>8192360
Yea, I also think somewhere near 150k.

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>>8192353
subs don't really matter though. They'd likely rather just make you wait for the debut, and let yt ai keep fucking the worthless numbers

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>>8192409
Well, I actually agree with you, but:
>subs don't really matter though
>numbers thread

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>>8192399
Which means YouTube killed off the vast majority of her subs. The AI is completely retarded.

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>>8192230
It's the first time I'm seeing a double purge. Usually it's just once like what happened to NijiEN gen 1

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>>8192409
agree and to add to this, getting your subs cut is extra advertisement, more people will hear & end up wanting to watch the live debut out of spite for Susan

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>>8192399
Looks like Susan is particularly furious today, for some reason.

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>>8191518
2-3 months ago, Gura was still feeling that outfit reveal buff on top of birthday+og song buff. Recent months is slow, since she took a break in July and her game choices wasn't really good. EN2 could buff her, but not until the Collab ban is over. So she's still going to recline for subs this month and incline next month with the anniversary going on or maybe a planned EN1&2 Collab.

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>>8192409
>subs don't really matter though
Zero subs (meaning zero people watching YouTube feed for EN2 videos) is not beneficial for growing your live viewers. Don’t post retarded shit here.

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>>8191871
Nah it won't since it's a relay. 50-80k is all I could give them on that God awful timeslot. SEA and JOPs are sleeping at the time, EU is rejoicing while burgers are coming home from work.

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>>8192230
kneel

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>>8192460
There has actually been a few smaller purges yesterday (around 5k) but ya seeing 60k subs removed and then another 25k is quite intense.

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>>8192575
>weekends relay
>while burgers are coming home from work.
?????

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>>8192575
is saturday

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>>8192067
Hakos at 53k now. Wtf Susan. I had to sub them again for the third time.

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>>8192575
At least it's on a weekend so burgers won't be at work. The problem is the commitment to a 6 hour relay. For once, maybe the 1 hour debuts might hurt them, at least number wise. Irys got a 1 hour prime time NA debut so I think peak-wise, matching it will be an optimistic prediction.

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>>8192619
>>8192647
I forgot it was Saturday okay

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>>8192552
all the people subbing before even debut are already hololive fans. They're not lost, they'll simply resub. Like some cases have already mentioned in this very thread.

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>>8192588
There were A LOT of small purges, there was another 3K one just now.

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>>8192493
No, I’ve been following her subscriber growth probably more than anyone here. Her increase to like 7.2k a day came soon after her Reflect song, and she had lost her boost from the outfit reveal long before that. Also the EN2 buff I’m referring to doesn’t mean from collabs, what I mean is by it drawing attention back to EN, as people return to check things out again.

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The subs aren't going down every time I refresh any more, is Susan's massacre finally over?

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>>8192700
those were gradually but the dropped 30k in less than a minute. She was a t 72k

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>>8192672
Ina (4am JST) and Gura (6am JST) were the highest last year and both debuted at EU primetime/afternoon NA.

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>>8192691
Actually some of them will miss it. Not everyone is as hardcore as us.

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>>8192700
>There were A LOT of small purges, there was another 3K one just now
Helping to affirm that we have no idea where they would actually be.

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In some less depressing news, Kuzuha has been streaming Idol Manager for almost 7 hours now and from what I've seen, he's having a blast despite getting half his usual viewership.

Potential K-chan in a few years, after he graduates due to back problems from playing games 11 hours a day?????

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>>8192904
He could just stream 2-3 hrs a day like most people but that would destroy his numbers and kuzu is really aware of those.That´s why he plays debuff games for so long to make up for it.

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Socialblade showed it dropping a lot:
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCgmPnx-EEeOrZSg5Tiw7ZRQ/realtime

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>>8192904
guy keeps getting invited in every apexshit. He just wants to play fun games and chill and collab with the boys. I wont surprise if he spam valorant or debuff games in the next few months.

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>>8192456
The thing is, youtube is required to reward the silver play buttons to accounts with 100k subs. Hololive spamming 100k empty accounts like this will make them lose capital since they cannot monetized subs.

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>>8192967
I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a fuck about numbers and is just addicted, otherwise he wouldn't be playing this from 2am to 9am. We've all been there with management games.

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Bros, this shitty debuff game is hurting the KING's average too much. I can't stand seeing Kuzuha below 20k anymore.

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>>8193099
don't those take months to deliver anyways?

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>>8193099
Do they have to send them two silver play buttons now since they're going to hit 100k subs twice?

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>>8193142
>I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a fuck about numbers
LOL

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>>8193142
if you are having back problems then you dial back there is no other choice unless you want to retire earlier.

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>>8193142
>backproblems
just get a luxury chair lmao

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i think, maybe im wrong
but didnt Irys channel had the frame for her debut alredy?

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>>8193267
It's time to start numberfagging who has the most expensive chair. Gura has a Herman Miller Aeron

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If you’re superstitious, the whole “Gura killer” thing has been bad luck.

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>>8193142
>>8193180
>Play Button
They don't qualify for silver play buttons since they have no content to begin with.

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>>8191944
It's not "someone streaming apex" it's the vsaikyou finals.

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Today's superchats

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>>8193639
Mio aniversary
Watame new song and concert announcement
kanata new original song release
Mori BBQ and idol manager
Rushia...?
Axia was pokemon i believe
kson meme review
Miiko MK8 endurance
Korone finishing Goemon
Towa ...?
Lamy and kiara is jsut the normal.

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>>8193639
Today is the day of the wolf. Probably tomorrow too.

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>>8191515
VSaikyou maybe. I'm a Holofag but I'm gonna be watching that.
>>8191433
Marine's been on fire (in a good way) for a long while now. The doujin shit just slowed it down a bit.
>>8188890
Vtuber hype was a lot higher last year.

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>>8193639
>that Kuzuha number
And now he's getting almost 40k, holy shit. He has inclined like crazy.

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>>8193755
>Rushia...?
That's just an average day for Rushia.

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>>8193856
Oops: >>8193594

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>>8193856
Naw, this is concurrent viewers, not max views of the day. People left his stream to check results on Hal's stream. The stream took place on Jan 24th 2021 and he peaked at 53k viewers twice.
https://playboard.co/en/video/1K1t8vn6Qm4

If anything, he's kinda declined a bit in his tournament peaks in the past few months, but we'll see what his peak is for the upcoming one. His scrim numbers are pretty good so far compared to past scrim streams.

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>>8193897
Not really, people just left his pov to watch the main stream. Here's from earlier.

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>>8194030
these are snapshots by the way, not peaks.

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>>8193755
Rushia is just Rushia, she streamed Fall Guys and got $3k which is maybe even a little below average for her, then accidentally started a "stream" in the middle of the night which was just a few minutes of blank screen and somehow earned another $461 from that lmao.
Towa did an utawaku which always earn more than her Apex streams (*please* take the hint already Twappi) and also did an Apex stream later to get her onto the chart.
Kson was an utawaku, the memes are being reviewed tomorrow (on a weekend at noon Japan time, really makes you think)

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>>8193755
Axia's was shiny hunting endurance, people were congratulating him for getting one. Funny that his successful hunt got less money than his failed one.

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>>8194181
400 dollars from a pre tourney scrim ain't bad. Her superchats aren't an unlimited resource. She spreads out her karaoke streams enough, so it doesn't drain her pay pigs.

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>>8193437
Wtf is Herman chair? I got me a normal office chair and my back is fine.

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I usually defend Kiara in these threads so don't take this as anti-posting, but this is just sad. 78k for a 9 hour vod... She was at 2.5k CCV for most of the stream and barely lost anyone for SC reading. Please finish Skyward Sword soon.

In comparison, this was her Minecraft stream from yesterday.

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>>8193639
What a clam fest.

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>>8194404
yet she still got 12th sc rank. That's her core audience. KFP bros sure are resilient and stacked.

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>>8194404
Skyward sword is by far one of the worst 3d zelda games IMO when taken as a whole. There are some aspects that are pretty interesting, there's a reason BOTW went the direction that it did, and that's because Skyward sword sold poorly vs Twilight princess (~6m for Twilight princess, less than 4m for Skyward Sword).
The fact that no one wants to watch the damned thing is as much a reflection on the quality of the game as it is on Kiara as a streamer.
/v/ Faggotry aside...
>>8194284
C'mon man, this is par for the course.
Gacha failures bring far more funds. The worse the gacha, the better the SCs as the chubba writhes in despair. Shiny hunting is just pokemon gacha after all.

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I don't think Cover expected this sub genocide to happen. Sure, they might've known there was going to be a small purge like what happened with IRyS and two of the Lazulight girls, but I don't think they expected Youtube to suddenly be this aggressive in pruning subs. No one did.

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>>8194404
Pretty sure she's just finishing up back log while waiting for permissions. With a mother like that, I'm pretty sure she was nagged to death to play Mass effect, bioshock, system shock, quake etc. Shell incline soon enough with those games, better yet, it'll be a trend for every holo to play bioshock once they get permissions.

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>>8194813
this is why I'm the most excited for this debut. Will they get their subs back or was it really bots? Is the HoloEN hype reclining? Not to mention the effect on the current ENs

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>>8194855
Tales of Arise is next and she's trying to finish Skyward Sword before the release date. So it'll be at least 2 months before a playthrough of one of those games, if not longer.

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>>8195028
They won't get all their subs back all at once, Youtube won't just sub you back if you're already unsubbed. They'll have a much harder climb subs-wise than they would have otherwise since casuals who subbed are not going to remember the debut date and show up without a notification.

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>>8193639
What a great day to be a yonkisei chad, 2 of the top 3, Tokyo Tower making a rare appearance and a certain someone who sounds awfully similar to the dearly missed dragon (sorry Hime, you'll make it next time)

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>>8195185
>casuals who subbed are not going to remember the debut date and show up without a notification.
That’s what people don’t seem to understand. Losing subs and is actually a bad thing. It shouldn’t have to be stated either.

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I think Cover should pay for advertisement at debut day, only to make sure everyone knows. It helps compensate for all this.

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>>8195885
To be fair it was never a serious matter with previous purges, when it only happened once and for like 10% of their subs. This is the first time Youtube has been so mad that it slashed more than half of their subs, and is continuing to do so whenever they get more.

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>>8196253
We have no reason to assume it will stop now either.

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>>8195997
youtube ad is a waste of money tbqh and most people use adblock anyway. Shilling them through social media, news, youtube clips, and influencers is much better.

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big guests

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>>8196306
It won't, but my bet is that while it will likely impact the number of people watching on debut, it won't influence their long-term growth.

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>>8196369
>big guests
Literally who to all of them

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>>8196319
The next step after YT implementing double unskippable ads are embed ads on stream where you can't dodge with adblock like twitch

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>>8196389
>it will likely impact the number of people watching on debut
Actually that can effect long-term growth. The debut is extremely important.

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>>8196416
Most popular female Niji, record holder for the second most SCed Niji stream, most popular Niji rookie of the year, second most popular male Niji

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>>8196472
None of holoEN had debuts higher than that of JP gen 5 but all of them grew way faster in subs. It won't matter.

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>>8196483
Never heard or seen of any of them and I watch vtubers every single day. They must not be that relevant.

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>>8196483
Wasn't Mito the most popular? Why is Lize at the top when she's spamming genshin for numbers?

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>>8196483
>Most popular female Niji
Ok? Female Nijis are irrelevant. Manjisanji
>Record Holder for the second most SCed Niji Stream
2nd place is the first loser
>Most Popular Niji rookie of the year
The smartest kid on the short bus. That wave is a massive flop
>Second most popular male Niji
Kenmochi?

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>>8196369
Nijinoon noombers
8/16: 38k
8/17: 25k
8/18: 30k
8/19: 21K
I give 8/20 (the last one they're doing) above 28k. Kanae already showed up to yesterday's and they didn't get a buff.

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>>8196629
Because Kanae isn't that popular. His average CCV is less than 10k and his VOD views are pathetic. He only shows up on monthly viewership charts because he streams so damn much. Kind of similar to Watame from Hololive.

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>>8196514
The debut for EN Gen 1 was very big for the time, and suggesting that played no role in long-term growth is dumb. It’s a very important day to generate hype.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196790
Not really, Gura didn't have twice the amount of viewers on her debut compared to the rest of her gen and look at her subs now. Ollie had less viewers on her debut than gen 5 and look at her subs now, about to overtake 4/5 of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196319
>youtube ad is a waste of money tbqh and most people use adblock anyway.
An easily verifiable, patently incorrect statement. All you had to do was read through the previous thread (>>8171497) to know your argument was full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196688
I'm aware, anon just has some idea that everyone in that pic is going to pull crazy numbers due to being 'big' when that's only really apparent in the first show whether it's first Nijinoon buff or Kenmochi's cultist fans buff. Gaku went from his ~2.4k average to 14k when doing a stream with Kenmochi.
No one is showing up for Lize either since she's the MC, they alternated between her and Shellin. In that pic, Leos is the oddball factor, we'll see if his fans will follow him to other videos with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8192493
>gaining 30k subs per week is reclining
Jesus, this is the dumbest take I have ever seen in the numbers thread. Most

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196629
That’s because he wasn’t in the thumbnail or he wasn’t announced to be there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197021
Eh, it's a reasonable look.
RELATIVE to where she was a few weeks ago, she's reclining. That's it. She's not losing subs, but her rate-of-gain of subs has reclined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197046
Neither are most 3D debut guests yet they get viewer spikes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196688
>Kanae isn't that popular
I mean, he's still the 2nd most popular male and 2nd most subbed in Niji, and having a 9-10k CCV while streaming nearly daily is very high for a Niji.

>his VOD views are pathetic
They're not Kuzuha/top holomem numbers, but anyone who gets 100k+ VOD views regularly is not pathetic. He gets 100-200k with Pokemon Unite and Terraria too, not just Apex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197021
The context is for Gura. The other anon mentioned that she had 7.6k new subs 2 months ago only to get 4k this month.
It's already explained that this month is slow for her hence the decline in subs. 30k is obviously good for anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196573
I think Mito is still the most popular Niji female, altho Lize is up there as well. Mito has the most subs and she's shown the ability to draw bigger numbers than Lize, who just streams more consistently than Mito so her CCV has less variability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197184
>>8197246
>the context is for Gura
>still regularly beats everyone in subs gained outside of buffs or new talents
Even WITH context the take is retarded. Of course she's going to go down in subs gained considering there is but a limited pool of Vtuber watchers, infinite increases don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196573
Genshin is popular. Mito is more popular than her though.
It's pretty crazy how far Kuzuha is ahead of almost everyone else in Nijisanji whereas the top Hololivers are all around each others ballpark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197527
Hololive mostly panders to neets and otakus that are capable of watching every stream they put out since their core audiences are sweaty manchildren with no jobs

Nijisanji is mostly panders to the Normalfags market - they may not be able to capture the same amount of live viewerships as Holo (bar Kuzuha, but that's mostly because of Apex autism) but they do make it up for special events and merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196856
>Gura didn't have twice the amount of viewers on her debut compared to the rest of her gen and look at her subs now
She didn’t have to have twice the amount, she only had to be seen on debut along with the rest of them. Who they stay for is a different matter. The views on debut, or being seen, helped boost future growth. The hype generated on that day mattered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197705
and then you have 3 millions of gura and r/hololive
cant get more normalfag than that

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197705
going by financial reports those otakus are matching gains of normal fags.
i doubt normal fags are buying or watching religiously anime boys and girls playing a games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197745
>who they stay for
You would be right if the debuts had 1 million live viewers, but they didn't. The amount of people watching debuts live pales in comparison to the amount of people subbing in the coming months. They are a lot less important than you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8192810
Don't worry they'll see the reminder at reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197705
Can't get anymore wrong than that, bud. The financial reports and SC numbers already proves that a large number of fans possess jobs, salary, income etc that could support their oshis by buying their merch/SC when compared to Nijisanji's fans. Also, it's better to have fans that could spend a little bit of their time to watch their Oshi every day rather than turn up during events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197705
Not this timeloop again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197705
>Hololive mostly panders to neets
their core audiences are sweaty manchildren with no jobs
>Nijisanji is mostly pandering to the Normalfags market
all wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197893
>You would be right if the debuts had 1 million live viewers, but they didn't.
That makes no sense.
>The amount of people watching debuts live pales in comparison to the amount of people subbing in the coming months.
What happens on debut day, effects the future growth. This is unavoidable.
>They are a lot less important than you think.
First impressions matter, and generating a ton of hype over debut, matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8198020
not wrong when Hololive's hardest ad campaign is in akihabara and nijisanji's was in shibuya and shinjuku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8198216
Forgetting Otome Road and Akihabara too.....

[Anonymous No.]

Regardless of the youtube sub shenanigans, the debuts will have enough audience to propel the virality of the talents. It's up to the talents to prove their worth for the fame and support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8198216
That's just their recent ad campaign. they've advertised in Akihabara and Ikebukuro plus there used to be an app where livers would dictate landmarks in several places with a ton being in Akihabara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197893
People don't just forget about the debut the day after.
Gura's debut vod is still the most watched vod on her channel, only beaten by Reflect because it's a song.
https://youtu.be/dBK0gKW61NU

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196369
40k rn.

[Anonymous No.]

Its kind of weird seeing EN2's subs get slashed over and over to the tune of some 80-90k and I'm still managing to not get hit once. Their twitter followers in contrast have an interesting difference to the youtube order.

Ceres Fauna 181,069
Hakos Baelz 171,444
Nanashi Mumei 167,673
Ouro Kronii 163,126
Tsukumo Sana 155,240

Ceres is clearly in the lead while the rest follow the youtube subs even though Nanashi and Kronii were jailed.

[Anonymous No.]

Guess that SC2 hype is dead already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
>petra getting less viewers than rosemi doing a zatsu
jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
yeah last chance for nijien are males

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
She got 5k playing Apex once though!!! She isn't a failure at all!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
LOL, meanwhile IRyS, who all you Nijiniggers called a failure, is getting over 8k and still increasing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
>SC2
Your RTS reps...

Everyone expected her to be good, but she turned out to be pretty new at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199870
look at hes face tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199870
Rent free lmao. Nijiniggers win again

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199817
her latest solo apex stream didnt even break 3k LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199900
Wrote SC2 out of habit.
>>8199776
Are there any notable male vtubers that aren't existing youtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
You sure you used the right word?

[Anonymous No.]

Based susan removing subs so no EN2 debut with 100K subs

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200202

[Anonymous No.]

>>8198061
There's a reason I said long-term growth. The amount of people they reach during their debut is miniscule in comparison to the amount of potential subs they will ever get. At any rate, what I'm saying is backed up by the numbers for EN and ID's growth a year in and you have not offered any evidence to the contrary.
>>8199419
I said, the number of people watching debuts live.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so sorry to see that pathetic numbers, Nijibros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200202
getting 2-5k average they say

[Anonymous No.]

>>8196629
>Nijinoon noombers
8/16: 39.4k
8/17: 25.5k
8/18: 31.2k
8/19: 21.5K
8/20: 42.1k

[Anonymous No.]

>Shitposters is EN faggots
Why dont you guys cry for youtube slashing sub bots from your beloved EN2 now instead of using Nijis to divert attention from the embarrasing failure already, we already knows that NijiEN is midget since day 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199905
>look at hes face tho
this is
>/#/ numbers thread
>>8199916
>Nijiniggers win again
not in term of numbers of EN branchs

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199938
>didnt even break 3k
falseflagger?

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty embarrassing attempt to divert attention from Nijinoon's new episode peaking higher than previous peak

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200055
delusional boomers think 10k people will come for old RTS

[Anonymous No.]

A noon show with Nijis with less than 1m and even 500k subs almost the same as a Holo 3D event with guests that has over million subs. Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200527
Who cares. If Hololive put top tier members like Pekora, Miko, Subaru in one place it's gonna get high numbers too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200717
We will see later on Mio's 3D. It's pretty much OKFAMS + Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200486
They're referring to this stream. It was in the morning for NA and 2.8k peak.
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/XjskeorOnt4

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200674
Art show > Dancing for the 5 millionth time

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200717
>If Hololive put top tier members like Pekora, Miko in one place
I-I am sorry,anon..

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200717
>>8200875
What the fuck, I meant to say Marine, not Miko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200717
maruyama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8194401
High-end ergonomic chair, $1000-1500 USD new depending on options. Worth it if you're a well-compensated professional who has to sit at a PC all day (as all Hololive streamers are).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200853
>Dancing for the 5 millionth time
Watame's 3D stream wasn't a live. She was just taking 3 min call-ins from holomems and doing random challenges to unlock the announcement at the end of the stream. It was more of a solo 3D stream than a 3D collab.

She was also overlapping with like 30 Apex streams, whereas Nijinoon has no competition. I think Leos was the biggest difference maker for this ep tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200939
do not lie to you heart PekoMiko bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200428
But Nijiniggers said subs doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201410
What kind of idiot days subs don't matter at all?
The only statement that does hold truth, is that there is no relation for subs to ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201518
>here is no strong* relation for subs to ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>8198806
Still gonna get mogged by Mio's birthday live

[Anonymous No.]

>>8199608
>>8200202
>EN fans don't watch Zatsudan
Is it true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201694
Meant for this: >>8199502

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200307
>The amount of people they reach during their debut is miniscule in comparison to the amount of potential subs they will ever get.
It ultimately effects the amount they will get. A debut of 1k viewers is an utter failure, and would ruin their image for some time to come. It matters, whether you understand it or not.
>what I'm saying is backed up by the numbers for EN and ID's growth
No it’s not. My argument that their successful debut plays some role in their growth, has not been invalidated because they were successful with a good debut.
>you have not offered any evidence to the contrary.
What evidence would that be? That a company which debuts to 5 people would be far less successful in the long term? Isn’t that obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

damn they sell a lot of shit
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1428575285935497222/photo/1
quantity > quality ww

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201702
EN Tourists don't watch Zatsudans.
All of the Holomyth girls have a core following that would be more than happy to just tune it to hear them chat, based on the SC reading streams which are pretty much half-zatsus anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201518
nijinigs believe it religiously that subs doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201702
Depends on quality. The higher the CCV, the better the zatsudan. If I had to rank them for HoloEN,

Gura > Ina > Mori = Kiara = Ame

Don't know bout NijiEN though, I liked Elira's zatsus but I don't stay long for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201828
Everyone and their mother knows Nijisanji shits out merch every second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201828
>>8201929
They obviously have their own place for mass production/printing and sell them at a lower cost. I just wonder how long does it take for JOPs to stop buying this low effort stuff with no value whatsoever. A pen that costs ~$7 wew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201828
>merch
>quantity > quality
newfag, did you ever see old HoloJP merch (Coco's Tshirts, Towa's Hat, Kanata..)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201828
Anycolor's merch game is unironically light years ahead of Cover and I say this as a Holofan.
Nijis put out merch multiple times a month while Holos need to wait for milestones or celebrations. Not sure if it also takes Nijifans months to get their merch tho. It seems like Anycolor makes a set amount beforehand rather than beginning production after the order period ends like Cover does. This is the difference of being 1 year ahead in infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8200202
Is Niji EN being affected by hype behind Holo En gen2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202049
>It seems like Anycolor makes a set amount beforehand rather than beginning production
thats dumb, it would mean some merch would never sell and be destoryed or if its popular not all fans will ahve it. i understand if its a collection item that is signed or some shit like that but it is less consumer firendly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201828
Theyre like those sweatshop brands that mass produce clothes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202049
The stuff here >>8201929 is sold in irl venues.
https://www.shop-shimamura.com/disp/itemlist/?q=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202118
Why would they be? Streams > no streams.
They're just doing content that ain't the greatest at getting viewers.
Petra is basically pulling an Anya, where she really, really wants to be JP but isn't.
Zatsu in smaller branch with smaller reach = smaller viewer counts, since Zatsus in general usually run smaller viewers in EN.
And Selen SC wasn't a huge view-gain to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202118
lol if anything, their numbers should go up if HoloEN2 increases hype for vtubers overall. For example, HoloEN legitimized EN vtubers and boosted Vshoujo.

This is an odd case of 2 playing debuff games and somehow all 3 overlapping at once. I mean Rosemi and Petra already get bad numbers relative to NijiEN, but overlapping absolutely killed their numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202118
Affected by shitty games that everyone already played.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201818
Unless you're seriously claiming that EN2 will debut only to 1000 people watching due to the subs being trimmed, you're making up a strawman position to try and win the argument. The original contention was that all the subs being trimmed before debut, while losing out on some live viewers, will not affect their long-term growth because whether you like it or not, debuts aren't a marker of long-term success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202118
EN fans are fickle please understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202118
eehhhh
hard to tell but patra and rosemi are lost casues.
RTS are posion for streaming also.
People also need to realize that the girls are months after debut and they already made or played most of the normal content vtuber do, so they are starting to run into that wall of stagnation.
i belive pomu stream was pretty much the same as other zatsus, vod count sint that different that normal.
i stopped watching most of nijien some weeks ago and only watch elira if something interesting happens like dark souls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8201518
>there is no relation for subs to ccv
Of course there is. A channel locked to zero subs, without the ability to gain them, would have a much harder time sustaining live viewers. You need subs because they make up the potential live viewers. More subs, more potential viewers. It doesn’t guarantee them, but it has a strong relation to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202153
>some merch would never sell and be destoryed
I think Anycolor, masters of merch shilling, know how to predict production amounts based off of demand. From what I've seen from their store, almost everything physical and not cheap, like pencils, gets sold out.

>if its popular not all fans will ahve it
Yup and to them, it's even better because it indicates demand. Just look at Edengumi's debut merch (acrylic stands). They were sold out for all 5 livers within 48 hours, so Anycolor announced they're restarting production and making more to sell. Problem solved.

I know I'll be kinda mad tho if my oshi's merch sold out before I had a chance to order it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202118
>hype

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202352
>People also need to realize that the girls are months after debut
ppl still think iRys has debut buff, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202459
doesnt matter in the long run anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202459
Jesus christ this is brutal

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202359
regular videos>subcount
thats why smart numberfaggers like Shiki and Nene are making #shorts

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202459
gonna be ankimo tier on debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202392
you re right
corp's proffit not always =/= fans profit

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202392
That's okay, you can buy the merch from me. I usually buy 10-12 Holo nendos and luckily snag 14 Guras, 8 Marines and 17 Haato Nendos to be sold a month later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8197705
>hololive panders to otaku
>While responding to the post that said Lize is giving away her personal information playing chink impact, the worst otaku shit garbage on the market

[Anonymous No.]

holo council is going to increase HoloENs monthly views to like 70m-90m (or 100m+ if possible) and with only 11 members too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202243
You said YouTube won’t stop removing subs, and that it still doesn't influence their long-term growth. That the viewers matter later on. I explained how the amount of live views on debut does influence what people think of it. I used examples just to illustrate it. You also suggested that Gura would need twice as many viewers then her Gen mates for my argument to be correct, while it ignores all other factors of growth. Because there are many factors, it doesn’t invalidate my position that a more successful debut helps in the long term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202190
>their numbers should go up if HoloEN2 increases hype for vtubers overall
I think that is mainly true within the network of Hololive, as they all promote each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202944
That anon is assuming people will get bored of HoloEN and run to NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202840
Wait for anniversary to numberfag anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203011
>That anon is assuming people will get bored of HoloEN and run to NijiEN...
and then run back to the Holo even faster

[Anonymous No.]

We actually do need to watch Niji EN numbers to see if they drop after HoloEN Gen2 announcement, because if so, it’s obviously not just a coincidence. It was believed that some Holofans were watching it because of being bored of Gen 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203011
>That anon is assuming people will get bored of HoloEN
They were, but gen2 is coming out now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203143
Dead hours and being bored of EN1.
NijiEN streams a lot during HoloEN dead hours. Especially with all the breaks HoloEN is taking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203143
There's already some anons writing down the medians of each EN livers for this month. We can see in 2 weeks after EN 2 holo debuts if they recline in views or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8202859
Seems like you misunderstood what I wrote. Let me try to put it more clearly. Youtube won't stop removing subs until they debut. They'll stop after the channels get some videos in them, aka, a debut. Whatever happens pre-debut with the subs will barely affect their actual debut and not affect their long term prospects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203225
It'll affect numberfag purposes though. All of our predictions for 200k subs before debut is off and we might just see Sana losing to Ankimo. Shit

[Anonymous No.]

idk if anyone else has noticed, but it seems like HoloEN has been experimenting with overlapping for the past few weeks. Gura, Ame, and Irys overlapped a few times, so did Calli and Irys. This might have been prep for when HoloEN2 debuts, since overlap will become inevitable.

There was bit of a hit in viewership (less than 1k) for Gura and Ame, but it was a big increase in net total, with Irys brings a solid 6-8k in the 8pm PST/11pm EST time slot. Actually, Irys being a streaming addict was a blessing in disguise with how many HoloEN dead hours she's filling due to everyone taking breaks. Just imagine how barren this month would've been for EN if Irys didn't debut.

There's been a lot of doomposting about how HoloEN2 will steal viewers from HoloEN1 and everyone is going to lose 30% of their viewers, but honestly, overlapping does not seem to be that bad so far and they'll cover the dead hours during other members' breaks instead, which is a very good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203192
Hakos Baelz (rrat) she is gonna occupy this time slot in the future
https://twitter.com/hakosbaelz/status/1428522782896185347

[Anonymous No.]

do predebuts subs really matter?

leos vincent only had 10k, yet gathered 89k live viewers. on a garbage timeslot as well, noon of wednesday if i remember correctly

holocouncil should hit 120k quite easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203284
>All of our predictions for 200k subs before debut is off and we might just see Sana losing to Ankimo.
NTA, but none of that is our fault. No one foresaw that YouTube's AI was actually this averse to pre-subbed accounts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203406
He debut during a national holiday, best time to debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203225
>Whatever happens pre-debut with the subs will barely affect their actual debut
We simply disagree. I think there is a difference between what YouTube is doing now, and the result if YouTube did nothing at all to the subs. Many people aren’t like us and are far more casual, and so may now actually miss it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203406
There is no way he had 10k predebut subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203406
>NiiJI debut relay
>right after "golden boy" (Leos Vincent)
>gathered 89k live viewers
>"garbage timeslo"
are you falsflagging?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203474
I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if all the sub trimming into NijiEN debut ranges causes EN2 to get a NijiEN-tier debut and subsequently views & sub growth rate. Besides, you can't rely on Youtube for stream notifications in the first place. Even toggling the "always notify" option does not guarantee they'll deliver reminders on time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203311
Some numbers to back up what I'm saying.
Ame started an hour before Irys, both playing the same game and there wasn't an exodus of viewers leaving her stream for Irys.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ztM7Q-Qm-CQ
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ZJuG0VWcUkU

Another instance of a triple overlap, between Ame, Gura and Irys. Irys started at 8pm and inclined till 8:37. In that timespan, Ame lost like 300 and Gura lost around 1.5k. Hard to say if the loss was directly due to Irys or just decay because they were building pixel art and it was pretty residentsleeper.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/S_wquDzkCvw
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/cSHMqA9zfkA
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/udjf6fpb8q0

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203537
they all were in 10-15k range, he was the lowest

[Anonymous No.]

>>8186187
I think you’re forgetting about someone

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203406
>holocouncil should hit 120k quite easily.
You're delusional if you think HoloCouncil's debuts are going to beat Irys's by 30k. I can see it matching 90k, but a 30k increase???

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203640
Seems more like people who would be watching other things are tuning in to the other HoloENs. Personally I just watch normal YouTube videos unless someone I like is streaming (I warmed up to IRyS so I watch her now during her time slot).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203829
literally who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203851
It's a pseudo-relay so there might be a build up in numbers, it depends on where they start. 50k building into 90k, or 90k building into 120k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203865
She’s doing really well for an indie vtuber. Currently has 2.99 million subscribers, gaining 100 a week. Can’t discount her as a chance to be second to PostIt land (ie 3 M shubs)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203902
what is the order of debuts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203406
A successful debut doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be more successful with a big audience that are fully subbed to find it.
>>8203574
>I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if all the sub trimming into NijiEN debut ranges causes EN2 to get a NijiEN-tier debut
I allowed the moving of the goal post from not effecting long-term growth to whatever happens pre-debut with the subs will barely affect their actual debut, but this is now getting ridiculous. Holo having a successful debut doesn’t invalidate my position at all. I’m saying there is a difference that is more than “barely”, with different degrees of success.
>toggling the "always notify" option does not guarantee they'll deliver reminders on time.
It doesn’t have to guarantee it. I think we are just arguing now, for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203969
Sana > Fauna > Kronii > Mumei > Baelz

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203851
maybe if first debuts are of great quality, it can snowball the hype for rrat or nanashi

[Anonymous No.]

>>8203862
That's a good thing too. My main point is adding Irys and overlapping didn't cannibalize HoloMyth's numbers to any major degree. This means Irys established her own core fanbase and provided a net increase to HoloEN, rather than just recycling viewers from the other girls. It's a good sign that HoloCouncil can do the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204030
holomyth was mori -> kiara -> ina -> gura -> watson
right? anyone has the numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204019
There is no goalpost moving. I said from the very beginning that whatever happens in the debut will not affect their long-term growth:
>while it will likely impact the number of people watching on debut, it won't influence their long-term growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204039
Yagoos philosophy as said by himself is to hire people who have something unique about them. I think this really helps with what you’re implying with there not being much cannibalism when they overlap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204089
Yeah, split between 2 days. Myth feels like they were hoping Mori and Kiara to be the most popular ones when the last 3 became popular in the end kek. Looking at Council's lineup, it seems fair. Sana and Fauna is the least hype, Kronii being in the middle will be carried by her mama's rep and the last two is easily the ones with better designs and online personality. Of course, they can't replicate Gura's "A" and ride on time success.

But honestly though, what are the chances are there that they do skits/short videos at the start of debuts like how ID2 did with theirs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204089
Lol no
Ame had most subs before debut
She has the best and cleanest design of all
Blonde and blue eyes typical white girl

[Anonymous No.]

Back to the ye old numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204453
Did she experience a buff in non-Koshien streams during the Koshien period?

[Anonymous No.]

Petra is in SC reading time now and her viewercount got cut in half, so she's reading SCs to 450 people jfc.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH it wasn't supposed to be like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204402
Ina's design is top tier too but it gives me a little bit overdesigned feeling

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204402
That anon was talking about the debut order, not the sub ranking.
He's explicitly asking if anyone has the sub ranking lol.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204560
i find nijien3 ghost to be somewhat similar, flat body, gimmick hairstyle, enormous silhouette, weird clothes.
gachaesque overall, but still pleasing to the eye. ina could probably voice this character and it would feel 100% same

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204349
> what are the chances are there that they do skits/short videos at the start of debuts

Very high, this gen took a long preparation to be released since they were working with the vsinger.
9 hours relay including 30 minutes in-between program breaks. Saturday is packed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204492
I don't know. The streams in between Koshien streams gets around 20-40k views. Her usual is 10-30k according to playboard. I'm not a nijifag that watches haruka so I can't really make sense of her numbers without being tribal if she inclined or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8192067
>i only got unsubbed to sana on my account
never knew susan was this based

[Anonymous No.]

Mikochi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205189
its over... hololive is reclining...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205189
Look at the game she's playing. It's really obvious why her numbers are like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205189
>opening stream
wow, 7k+ average is pretty high for this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205250
+ big portion of her fans are EOP and this game is EOP killer
+timeslote

[Anonymous No.]

>>8204402
>Ame had most subs before debut
Incorrect. This picture was taken about 3-4 hours before Mori's debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205294
>timeslot
She gets 20k playing minecraft in this timeslot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205250
>Look at the game she's playing
It seems like we are seeing too much weird VTuber punishment by YouTube lately, so it’s probably better not to excuse it all away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205294
dw, this game is a JOP killer too lol. This 7k is the core that will watch Miko do anything. Timeslots don't matter for JPs much surprisingly. Obviously primetime gets better numbers, but you can get good numbers any time of the day in JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>August 100k views
>Hololive: 0

>Nijisanji: 4
Nijisanji Koshien 2021 finals 205,448
Nijisanji Koshien 2021 Game B 170,896
Nijisanji Koshien 2021 Game A 147,639
Kuzuha VCC apex collab 144,515

hololive hasnt broke 100k+ ccv this month. its over bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
shut up shut up

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
It's all Marine's fault. Lazy bitch couldn't be bothered to make 5 MORE MINUTES of extra content to hit 100k???? What a colossal failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205356
>Timeslots
fro JP it is ok
for EOP not really

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
Don't kick them when they are down...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205610
If she replaced her VR cooking segment with something else with guests, or even just had guests for that part it'd have been fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205610
what is management doing? teach your bitches how to work

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
>3 Koshien
>1 celebs leeching
ogey
September will be back to normal

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
>Hololive: 0
Quantity > quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205726
sry still counting SC money. now, back to work..

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
5 debuts with 100k+ viewers incoming. I honestly can't see it being lower than 100k, HoloEOPs love stuffs like new outfit, I'm sure they'll be cooming like crazy from new Holo debut, and this one is gonna be a proper 5 girls group debut, like the most popular vtuber group ever, the Holomyth, not botched garbage like Irys.

[Anonymous No.]

I know we don't usually talk about clip numbers here, but this is a weird one.
A Korean-translated Ollie clip is almost at 1 mil views in less than a month. I think it might not be a meme for Cover to looking to HoloKR. This KR channel is comparable in size with some of the bigger EN clip channels actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3jW1yluxLA

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205870
>can't see it being lower than 100k
Sana..

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205870
I think it will be 80k and maybe 100k by the end.
2 of the girls being on vacation doesnt help a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205870
Screencapped to laugh later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205981
>like the most popular vtuber group ever, the Holomyth
Obvious falseflag anon, c'mon

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205873
>800k+ for THIS
sasuga Yubi queen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206040
>replying to a dude replying to himself

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205870
As a holofan I completely agree. I dont quite get what nijinigger doomposts are about, culled subs literally do not fucking matter, twitter and reddit are going to be trending for whole day, #holocouncil and r/all will bring more than enough attention. Sana might not break 100k, but 4 others most definitely will.
In order of debuts, I predict 95k, 105k, 115k, 140k and 130k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205873
KEK how the fuck did Ollie get some gooks. I understand Ame, but not Ollie. Maybe it's because of her KR duolingos. I also saw some of the clips in the channel. The guy has a decent following and views for EN clips.

[Anonymous No.]

N-Nijisanji ID ...

Again, puts in perspective the high three digits to 1k numbers of the lowest HoloIDs and the reason Iofi and Risu don't care at all about numberfagging above what they got.

Also puts in perspective the fact that Hololive box pushes like crazy, going all the way to have Anya be bestowed with a rare off branch Gura collab, and have many of her JP senpais in her reverse totsu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206112
>dont quite get what nijinigger doomposts are about
they are still coping after Petra's flop>>8200202

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205462
>>8205821
I'm sorry Nijiniggers
This is numbers thread
2nd,3rd,4th don't matter
We only talk about biggest numbers
Just like Kobe said:"2nd is the biggest loser"
People will only remember one Champion
Don't tell me something like"GrAdUaTiOn DoEsN't CoUnT"
Winning is winning,losing is losing
As I said before
This is numbers thread
We only talk about biggest numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205873
Kek
NijiKR...don't look...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206227
https://youtu.be/YlvVSSLM9Pg
https://youtu.be/Mja1880KeNo
Ollie's ara ara went viral

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206306
so the only thing hololive can do to overtake nijisanji numbers, is to graduate its idols?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206227
>KEK how the fuck did Ollie get some gooks
She's pretty much honorary EN by now, English speaking well connected Hololive streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206395
Sorry anon, numbers are numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206306
>proud of vtuber leaving Hololive only to become an indie camewhore
Based falseflagger

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206227
Cute voice + ball of energy is universally appealing regardless of language barrier I guess. It's how most EOPs got into HoloJP.

>>8206236
NijiID, NijiKR (sans Bora), and the now dead NijiIN are seriously depressing branches. Comparing them to even Anya, who just got 30k and 17k on 2 streams this week, is already unfair.
Altho I'll disagree with the term "bestowing" because HoloIDs still need to be proactive in making these collabs happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206397
Honestly, If she's in EN, she could incline like crazy. Competent MC + Apex player while also being decently fluent in 3 languages although, she doesn't sing that good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8205610
they had 2 100k+ last year. Blame that failure gen.
>Lamy Hololive debut 103,408
>Botan Hololive debut 113,092

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206236
yeah, Hololive is supper interconnected, that's why almost ANY holo gets crazy numbers of Subs. people watch hololive as a whole. at the same time, how many Niji has links to each others channels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206395
>>8206435
Cope
Why Lulu only had 180k views on her graduation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206438
>because HoloIDs still need to be proactive in making these collabs happen.
I said "bestowing" because it was Gura, I can see them collabing easily with all the other ENs but Gura is not an easy person to pull out of her shell so I can see it must have taken lots of coordination to have that happen
>unlike, for instance, IRyS and Haachama meme review

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206385
Jesus christ, combining the views of all these stupid anime meme videos that use Ollie's voice-over, there's like almost 9 mil views of her saying ara ara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206501
so they are the offlinetv of vtuber world?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206435
>leaving Hololive
>indie
importan parts

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206562
this is not bad comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206438
>NijiID, NijiKR (sans Bora), and the now dead NijiIN are seriously depressing branches
Just be happy for what they are, don't think solely of numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206438
>Cute voice
t. Ollie

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206645
>"don't think solely of numbers", he says, full of hope and naiveté, in the numbers thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206501
C'mon now, no need to fling shit at Niji. Hololive struck gold by fostering a strong independent ecosystem while still retaining a manageable roster size for the average vtuber fan. That was already impossible for Nijis in 2019 and early 2020 due to roster size.

t.Holofan

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206521
>Hololive lost a vtuber LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
This is how you look rn.
Lulu didn't bait /pol/tards with drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206728
It is actually quite sad that her departure was not more celebrated, being a staple of the company and a popular streamer at home and abroad.
I would expect that her departure would not be mogged by baseball a month later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206645
/#/ numbers thread
>don't think solely of numbers.
sorry anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206776
Pretty sure she wanted as little attention as possible because of fucking stalkers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206728
>Imaging nobody came to your graduation Lulu...
Being in the Nijisanji sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206846
As little attention as possible and a 180k+ audience don't go together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206696
You're not wrong, but you're willfully ignoring that holo actively encourages box-pushing, and has a much bigger box-pushing culture among its fans than niji. It's not just the size of the roster, it's also how they take advantage of that size.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206549
The power of MEMEMAGIC boys and gals.
Seriously though, it really needs to be restated that, despite all the ire that clippers do deserve, they are a key reason why Hololive blew open the doors of the EN market and why Niji is left playing catch-up.
If the trend continues in Korea wrt multiple viral clips like this, then and only then should Hololive move in to the market. Mirror what happened with EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206943
I meant that Lulu graduated shortly after announcement while Coco took over a month and everyone acted like she is dying but in the end immediately resumed to streaming on roommate account. Peak attention-whoring.
Lulu had to leave social media completely and for valid reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206915
>>8206943
anon this is kinda unfair to compare Lulu to fucking legend, come back when kuzuha graduates

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207018
>I meant that Lulu graduated shortly after announcement
I meant that too. I am not ragging on Lulu, only lamenting she was not given a proper send off.

I understand the nature of her graduation but it could have been an stick in the eyes of her stalkers to show how much loved and cherished she is, even if she had to depart for reason beyond her and the company control.

How did she ended up with this sort of stalkers anyway? I know crazy nips are crazy but why her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206967
Honestly, I don't have a clear view of what Hololive's box pushing is. What's the difference between it and many other niji events that includes low tier livers? What made it so successful that viewers would watch low tier Holos after an event as compared to the numbers of low tier livers after an event for example, Koshien? Haruka >>8204453 had like 300 views on her latest stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207085
>How did she ended up with this sort of stalkers anyway? I know crazy nips are crazy but why her?
I heard that she is ex-model but haven't confirmed myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207007
>MEMEMAGIC
>clippers
true, but sounds like cope.
important part is Holo talents was readin to kneel to world wide market and EOP(as they did to CN earllier). Niji (JP) pushed their potantial EOP audience away because they didnt forseen threat and potantial(or was too lazy)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206696
So you have time to watch all 50+ members huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206306
still in the top 10 in Japan. Highest ccv excluding irl entertainers, celebrities, and massive corporates. https://ytranking.net/blog/archives/54893
2nd place is 290k by babel https://ytranking.net/blog/archives/53870

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207190
Not lazy, I just get the feeling they didn't care if Cover debuted an EN branch since they failed to penetrate the market earlier in 2020 with the rebranding of IN. They thought it'd be a failed project when suddenly it became a fast hit with the shark in the lead. Only in December did they decide officialy hold auditions for a new EN branch but it's all too late anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207093
>I don't have a clear view of what Hololive's box pushing is
I'll give an example but showing what it was not.

Before Gen 3 there were some pairings like Aqua-Shion but for a new person being exposed to Hololive for the first time, they usually found out about one of the talents (let's say, Fubuki through Scatman short video) and they would take some time to find out the talent was part of a larger unit, part of a larger company.

It continued like that for quite a while too for the members of those gens, with Sora mostly doing her thing, Mel mostly doing her thing, Choco mostly doing her thing, Aqua, Shion, etc.

Enter Gamers, Gen 3 and the concept of "themed generations". Either deliberately or by an alignment of stars it created a HUGE bond between the members, and ended up creating a huge bond between the audience of a talent of that gen and all members of the gen.
And the gen members played it up too: Okayu-Korone, Noel-Flare, and assorted combinations between them made it possible for the new audiences to see each of them not as an individual talent but as part of an ensemble.

It continued with gen 4, gen 5 and I truly doubt anyone onboards Hololive these days through a single talent, it is more likely that they catch some Hololive hype and immediately get exposed to a handful of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207093
this>>8206501
+"family" relationships

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207209
Could've beat 8 or 9 if YT hasn't shit the bed. Also, is Coco's stream the top 3 most live viewed stream in Japan for 2021? If that post dec viewer bug didn't happen, her live views would've gotten her to 600k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207190
So Cover are globalists and Anycolor are nationalists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207156
>I heard that she is ex-model
That doesn't explain it. Moona is a former model as well, why would that attract stalkers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207206
this is not how it works, anon. if my girl does nt stream, i go to her friend and watched her + listening stories about my oshi or other members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207316
>Cover are globalists
Imperialists would be a more descriptive adjective

>nationalists
That would be true if it was not for the ID branch and the KR branch and, specially, the full blown CN subsidiary

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207330
Nips have idol culture and stalking is rampant. Watch Perfect Blue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207254
Even months before HoloEN, Anycolor was already trying to push Niji to EOPs through officially translated clips. Like they literally paid clippers who normally clip Hololive to do translated clips for Niji on the official English Niji channel. It's not like they just never tried to copy what led to HoloJP being big in the west.

There's obviously something HoloJP had that clicked with EOPs that surpassed the language barrier. I don't mean it in a derogatory way, but I think it really is just cute anime girls making cute noises + having lots of energy. Don't need to understand Japanese to understand Eekum Bokum or Scatman, which were getting millions of views.

After HoloEN, there was basically no way for Niji to catch up anymore. Cover already had first exposure advantage and first movers advantage at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207156
Lulu was an ex-idol and a C-list celebrity who's been on TV before. Her getting stalkers isn't exclusively because of that tho since there are Niji and Holo roommates who are also ex-idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207190
Rin and her fat tits had an EOP audience before she killed them off by only playing FFXIV. Meanwhile the Holo girls threw the eops a bone every once in a while because they were their fans all the same.

[Anonymous No.]

Hasn't seen people talking about this yet? This could be huge numbers and feeds the algo after YT implemented short videos like Tiktok to their site. This can be addicting for a mobile user. Although I don't know what kind of short videos they're trying to find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207254
>>8207316
i wasnt talking about EN branch, but about Hololive(JP,ID) as a whole befor EN debut.
in my opinion Holo talents was just desperate for any viewers so they was senserally happy after "great summer boobm" of their popularity thanks.
even Miko said during her anniversary that GTA V (EOP magnet) gave her the confidence to grow.
ID who are basically Holo EN gen 0 are in the same boat.
i'm not that familiar with Niji talent but from what i saw most of popular ones just ignore EOP.
Niji Fans called /jp/ hipsters for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207334
>manageable roster size for the average vtuber fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207461
If I remember right, they even tried to get vtuber reactors to do niji clips. And when all that didn't really work they slowly tapered off clips in favor of nijien highlights or something like that. It all kind of missed the community feeling that hololive fostered which bought more and more people in since those people wanted to bring their friends in. Niji actually seems to be doing a bit better now after they've backed off with community people doing compilation clips that get decent attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207552
>This could be huge numbers and feeds the algo after YT implemented short videos like Tiktok to their site.
Could be, but honestly, it's not like NijiEN hasn't been already doing it. They have clips on the official NijiEN channel and most of the girls have shorts too. People just aren't clicking.

Elira's most viewed VOD is a short she posted shortly after her debut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_tTtAAYehs

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207552
This goes in my
>you can't buy what is given for free
rolodex of good ideas that are hard to pull off.

Shorts are a very good way to get numbers tho.
See Haachama, first last year making those minute short videos and now, to abide by the even shorter limit of the Shorts, sub 30 seconds videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOAHOG0cg_w

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207552
Wonder what happened to the comic animations stuff they were preparing around Lazulight's debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207585
Don't be dense.
With reddit, twitter, this cesspool, clippers...etc, it's very easy to keep up with what most holomembers are doing. You don't need to watch every stream to know what's going on. If you're even a casual hololive fan, it's possible for you to name all 50 Holos just based off of associations from the ones you know. You can't say a casual Niji fan can name all 150+ Nijis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207728
>I can name all 50 holos
>I'm totally keeping up with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206236
Nijis have Sony perms and most of them would rather stream Apex...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206540
Gura reached out to her probably because anya's a loli

[Anonymous No.]

>>8208176
It's what gets them the best numbers for a normal stream. Hololive would benefit a lot more from Sony permissions due to the Soulsborne games being an EOP classic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8208176
>streamers stream popular game
It's expected. Still it actually show that there's not single good game released recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>8208254
>not single good game released recently
Goes to show how much Cyberpunk2077 bombed and failed to live up to the hype

[Anonymous No.]

>>8208254
Days gone pc was good, I hope the chuubas stream it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207552
They were already paying people to do highlight reels on the official EN channel, but translated ones for JP Nijis. Those dried up after NijiEN appeared, which I take as a sign that the clippers they already had weren't interested in covering EN, and NijiEN management isn't interested in paying to promote JP any more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8207461
niji clipper is so bad compared to holo. Especially the one on official ch, since being paid and have to play it safe suck out all the fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206112
I honestly kind of doubt that we'll see that high of live views for their debuts.
I'd be very happy to be proven wrong but I think whatever Youtube did in December is too big a nerf to overcome.
The number of views cut from the live count varies but from how much EN lost in December 35-40% is probably a fair ballpark.
In order to even show up as 100k they'd need around 154-167k actual live views.

[Anonymous No.]

I believe, at this point, Kizuna AI is no longer a VTuber but an IRL performer that at some point started on YouTube
>discuss

[Anonymous No.]

>>8206112
>>8208929
They now also don't appear in search unless you use their exact channel name, so they're probably shadow banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209097
Ai....eaten whole by rrats, and then kicked while she was down by the changing landscape...
Well, she established herself as a household name at least, but these numbers truly exemplify 'dead subs'.
>>8209130
Ah fuck again?
They did it for IRyS until she debuted. Not surprised that these 5 got the same treatment after getting subculled out the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209220
>>8209097
Is there another example of rrat destorying a whole company?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209097
she was probably more interested in singing than vtuber. the whole reason rrat started because she want spend less time on yt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209220
>>8209282
>>8209424
It didn’t help that her company coated her with cheese and tossed her in the NYC sewer.
Thinking you can use “understudies” only because people can’t see the face of the talent was a muggles mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

It's an outfit reveal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209711
I have to say I am positively impressed with VSPro and I hope the based nip bro that made piyo includes them in the site.

If you want to help him post (next thread, as this one is about to be culled) a list of names and channel ids for each of their talent, along with their generation/wave if they split that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209732
Holodex has all of that

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209732
https://piyo.chats.ninja/group

they are there already

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209751
It doesn't have charts like piyo or the now defunct VNUMA. Take a look, it's good stuff
https://piyo.chats.ninja/

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209777
I mean it has all their channel info, groups, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209763
>they are there already
OH! Thanks based nip bro, I know you lurk and post on occasion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209711
kneel

[Anonymous No.]

only watching Noah cause no Holo is streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209816
The peak

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209816
I-I KNEEL
>#1 in the slot right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209869
You know you can numberfag them on piyo now, right?
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/EWIeOyKM-dc

[Anonymous No.]

I was going to rag on Risu for debuffing herself all the way down to 1k CCV then I looked up in the thread for the Nijisanji ID and realized I was wrong the whole time.

[Anonymous No.]

true numberchads use ikioi everyone else is a poser

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209282
Gamebu

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209947
You should still rag on her for not doing real karaoke or collabing more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209992
.LIVE too, no? With the departing chick torching the company reputation maybe (likely?) undeservedly

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210040
is .live the one with Sio?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8209130
Only Mumei and Ouro is safe from shadowban seeing how their name appears in search. The other 3 not so much. Ceres can still be seen if you scroll down. Hakos and Sana is completely gone. They'd still be fine if Cover sends a report to YT support. Also, the relay stream helps them tremendously since viewers would just move to the next channel without relying on notifications.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kuzuha playing fucking Idol Manager to a 14k unflinching audience for 6 hours in the nip late night / early morning
TSUYOI!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210151
that is not a shadowban. if they are shadowbanned they dont appear in search at all.
if you filter by channel it still appears.
After they have their debut they will appear on search as they will have the biggest numebr of views

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210230
16k+ Apex tourists refuse to watch idol manager kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210431
thats his usual night apex numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>lots of threads in the catalog with retards using bait that failed in this thread
Seems like the containment zone is not effective if people aren't taking the bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210833
Sigh...if only the rest of the board would learn some restraint in responding to obvious bait...
Well, before the thread dies, Mio predictions?
I say 60k based on the guest roster, but her relatively low streaming frequency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210869
>Sigh...if only the rest of the board would learn some restraint in responding to obvious bait...
KEK, it took like 137 incarnations and VNUMA dying for this thread get their shit together.

>Well, before the thread dies
Yeah, I'll wait for the reaper to use that as a thread opener
>60k
Too high

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210230
https://twitter.com/htrstasis/status/1428419946443198465?s=19
Why is Kuzuha like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210972
KEK, peak laziness. The only reason at all he seems to include a description is because of copyright disclaimer reasons

[Anonymous No.]

>Marine has more people in her waiting room for a stream starting in 2 hours than Matsuri in a stream starting in 30 minutes
A-APEX...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8210938
Mayhaps, I had 50-60k originally, but I figure since Mio deserves at least going for the high number after her sacrifice in the face of getting DMCA struck for the future of Hololive.
>>8210972
Sometimes you just gotta game man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8211017
He's not alone in that, Fubuki had a dead link to streamlabs in every one of her descriptions for 2 years