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8638049 No.8638049 [Reply] [Original]

Now that the dust has settled, what do you think of Holocouncil overall?

>> No.8638139

>>8638049
The girls are nice, was pleasantly surprised at some of the stuff
I hope they have good chemistry with each other when they loosen up and with gen1 as well
Looking forward to their future

>> No.8638217

>>8638049
Sana: Aussie
Fauna: NTR
Kronii: SEX
Mumei: zzz
Baelz: literal kid shows

>> No.8638243

>>8638049
Sana is dogshit
The rest are fine

>> No.8638244

>>8638049
Kronii - fucking great
Bae, Mumei, Fauna - pretty good
Sana - brown

>> No.8638284

>>8638049
Space - ebig and deserves much more love
Time - nice hag, will be successful
Rat - better than I thought, but slightly repelling
Deer - apparently not just an egirl ASMR streamer, worth putting some interest into
Owl - boring retard (not cute)

>> No.8638327 [DELETED] 

>>8638244
>Bae, Mumei, Fauna - pretty good
Cuck.

>> No.8638420

>>8638049
"Now that the dust has settled" should be autosaged

>> No.8638449

>>8638327
I'd be proud to be her cuck If I could watch her being railed
I can't and I will never meet her
thus this can't really be cuckoldry
Now get out purityfag

>> No.8638481

don't care about any of them

>> No.8638494

Mumei > Fauna > Baelz > Sana > Kronii

>> No.8638566

>>8638049
Still too soon to say desu

>> No.8638578

>>8638049
>Now that the dust has settled
The collab ban hasnt even been lifted yet. Monetization and Memberships are not even open. Chill out

>> No.8638605

>>8638049
Sana: ok
Fauna: ok
Kronii: SEEEEEKKKUSSSSUUUUU SHE IS SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKUUUUUSUUUUUUUU AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mumei: ok
Baelz: ok
>t. takeshi

>> No.8638613

Kronii = Baelz > Sana >>> Ceres = Mumei

>> No.8638670

I gave each of them like two minutes and none managed to grab my attention. I just went back to watching my oshi's archive.

>> No.8638685

>>8638049
kronii>fauna>sana>baelz>piss>shit>mumei

>> No.8638719

>>8638494
Someone doesn’t understand how these symbols (><) are used, or they are just retarded. Either way, fuck your life. It’s like you went out of your way to be wrong.

>> No.8638750

>>8638613
>>8638685
very based

>> No.8638816

Sana is great fun, super cute, sexy, and the best gamer. Mumei was cute but doesn't feel like a gamer at all, looking forward to her song. Rrat is cute and sexy as well, and seems the most passionate about being a vtuber. Fauna seems sweet but I haven't seen anyyhing oast her debut yet. I dropped the fate character mid-debut and never looked back, easily the most boring girl that only normalfags and coomers could like

>> No.8638841

Kronii>Sana>>Mumei/Fauna>Baelz

>> No.8638855 [DELETED] 

sana kronii and rrat are ok. the whores can leave.

>> No.8638882

En Gen0- amazing
EN Gen1- absolutely dogshit
Irys- allow it, poor girl
EN Gen2- absolute dogshit

>> No.8638910

>>8638750
>>8638719
Why are kroniggers so toxic and defensive? Are these the new vhumbuds or did they jump ship from goomba for the new hotness

>> No.8638919

Sex with Kronii

>> No.8638970

I dont dislike any of them. But, so far, the only one I've sat through without getting borer was Kronii. Maybe today's DST collab stream will change my mind.

>> No.8638995

>>8638049
kronii: dom, smart, great taste, great voice and SEX. She's perfect.
mumei: very cute, i will save, i will marry, i will raise a civilization with
baelz: not as loud as i feared, pretty entertaining. Only problem is her timezone
fauna: way funnier than i had expected, and as cute.
sana: she ok, but I'll never watch her if she keeps streaming at the same time as goomba

>> No.8639017

>>8638910
Why would you call it toxic and defensive? Literally nothing harsh was said, nothing even close to arguing was said either, just stating that Time is the best at the moment, which, as someone who prefers Sana, I have to agree, isn't a lie. Kronii is the only one who can singlehandedly achieve success out of the entire 5.
She just has everything a normie would want and it's simply good.

>> No.8639021

>>8638970
Bored*

>> No.8639023

Fauna: boring (which is actually the worst part for me I watched her before if feels like Hololive took away most of her personality.)
Mumei: extra boring
Kronii: nice voice still boring
Sana: actual good streamer still neutered by Hololive
Bae: good streamer neutered by Hololive

>> No.8639072

>>8639017
>fuck your life. It’s like you went out of your way to be wrong.

>> No.8639093

>>8638910
Would be quicker for you to just say you’re retarded next time. Mumei is painfully boring.

>> No.8639144

>>8639093
Her design is my favorite desu, but she's really not interesting right now. Maybe that will improve with time...

>> No.8639194

>'Cucks you'

>> No.8639203

>>8639093
No one mentioned Mumei at all, but thanks for proving my point

>> No.8639328

Usually only 1 or 3 girls come out of each generation who knew how to win over the public, many believe that all girls must have talent to enter hololive but I can tell you that most of the girls who do not have any are the best known, for see their true potential, don't give them a week at least a month or three (don't be stupid if you think that with 3 minutes looking at them you already have a valid opinion about them, you bastard) to get used to it and don't try too hard to have a personality other than hers. Anyone with experience in a field would panic and feel uncomfortable doing something from scratch in a highly regarded location.

>> No.8639350
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>>8639023
oh. That's a rare opinion I'm struggling to fully support, but I can't say I disagree.

>> No.8639410

>>8638049
Luv kronii.
Sana surprised me. She's actually really charming and better than me at Celeste.
Fauna also was better than expected, although I'm not an ASMR fag, the Spore stream was very enjoyable and fun.
Rrat is not for me.
Mumei needs to step it up. Just "being insanely extremely cute and retarded" ain't gonna cut it.

>> No.8639456

>>8638049
>dust has settled
>hasn't even been a week
OP, please.

>> No.8639724

Sana is my oshii.
Kroni is SEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXX
Mumei and Fauna fell off my radar unfortunately.
Baelz I pop into occasionally and she seems fun but I can't really work with her schedule.

>> No.8639793

>>8638049
kronii - way better than I expected, thank god she's there

fauna - fundamentally ruined by "that" for me, but I do like her voice/personality. could have been #1 of the gen for me if there wasn't drama shit chasing her down, it tarnishes her.

mumei - alright but seems to be looking to push the definition of 'boring' to an extreme. also jury's out on yab shit for her and if that's true on top of the xanax streaming I'm fucking out

sana - perhaps best personality/most engaging one out of the bunch, but really nerfed by her look and voice and accent. it's been like 2 days and it's clear she's flare 2.0 - will have a very devoted but smaller fanbase. might get a good SC streak going from fans feeling the need to compensate for numbers, that just happens sometimes (like with Kiara).

rrat - better than I expected in some ways, worse than expected in others, but I'm mildly satisfied with her and if she opens up and becomes more witty/amusing/funny (she's kind of dull streaming a game, as it turns out) she'll have a very easy road to best-of-gen for me.

>> No.8639813

>>8638494
based quality taste

>> No.8639836

>>8638049
Mediocre. Did not match my expectations.

>> No.8639847

>>8638049
No duds.
Sana is creative comedian and has an accent buff, I wanted a real english accent in EN for a long time.
Fauna laser-targets untapped audience in holoEN and seems to be a fun dork overall, spore stream was hilarious.
Rrat is not really my thing, but I saw people saying she's their oshi, so at least someone enjoying her greatly and I see how she can be fun.
Kronii is a fucking juggernaut of the gen and can do literally anything, stealing hearts of men across the world(mine too).
Mumei is very, very cute and comfy. Gura said she's too shy and closed right now so I'm looking forward to her opening up more and becoming even better.

>> No.8639902

boring

>> No.8639954

I wish Ceres spoke JP, Her voice is great.
Kronii seems pretty cool, I think she'll be a mini Gura in terms of popularity.
Mumei, Early days but seems okay.
Rat seems solid and can see her being quite popular with JP and EN.
Sana, Too lazy to watch her vods but if she's similar to Ina she'll be good.

>> No.8639961

>>8638049
I like them. Rat is too loud and screamy for me but will be following the other four probably.

>> No.8640003

>>8639847
>Mumei Comfy
Anon just say boring don’t do this to yourself,

>> No.8640094

>>8638049
Sana - Really like her. Chill, funny, laid back, decent at games.
Fauna - Didn't like her at first but her Spore stream was almost as funny as the scuffed TTRPG/Gartic phone one when I tuned in. Pleasently surprised.
Kronii - Funny af. Sadistic psycho dork is a winning combo so far. I do worry about her fanbase though.
Mumei - Kinda boring so far and awful fanbase on /vt/, but eh i'll give her more of a chance.
Rrat - Her schedule means I've only really watched her debut & the council meeting so far. Debut was slightly cringe but she seems to be the essential leader/tardwrangler in group collabs.

>> No.8640134

>>8638420
Nah, it should be wordfiltered to something funny.

>> No.8640140

>>8638049
Fauna=Baelz>>Mumei>Sana>>Kronii

>> No.8640179

>>8640094
No fanbase is a good fanbase on /vt/.

>> No.8640218

>>8639023
>Bae: good streamer neutered by Hololive
She was pretty tame in Myholo

>> No.8640238

>>8640003
Is Ina boring to you? Because she's the cutest creature in the universe and very comfy too.
You know who's boring? Those literal 2viewers on twitch - nothing to talk about, no comments, bad jokes, boring voice. There's a reason they're there and Mumei is in hololive.

>> No.8640239

>>8638049
None of them are better than Mori. Don't bother to (you) me.

>> No.8640264

>>8639072
That's your idea of harsh, anon? Grow thicker skin.

>> No.8640265

>>8640179
Takodachi are pretty cool, their "problem" is they have no real problem, so people make up shit like they're up their own ass just for liking their oshi like anyone else.

>> No.8640282
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8640282

>>8639847
>a real english accent

>> No.8640293

>>8638049
>Beeg
sheila, good fun, silly, seems to be decent at games
>Tree
nice voice esp. "disgusting", unexpectedly funny, stream flows naturally
>Clock
lovely voice, good voiceacting, appealing personality/attitude, the three of which to good reactions on stream, deadpan funny, was good at Super Hot, is Super Hot
>Owl
cute voice, cute design, cute personality, cute everything, has the sort of cuteness that is hard to replicate, ponkotsu, clearly nervous but it was fun to see her get more comfortable as she progressed on her Journey
>rrat
says funny stuff now and then, feels like ollie 2.0, least rookie-like
I like them all, but Kronii is no1 and Baelz is no5 so far

>> No.8640363

>>8640179
True, but some are more bearable than others. Deadbeats and KFP are just too sensitive and Takos just have a too high opinion of themselves, it's small potatoes compared to the numberfagging schizo cumsharts, the megacoomer kronies or whatever the fuck the hooligans are up to.

>> No.8640372

>>8640265
I mean, most fanbases are pretty cool at their core we just have the schizoid minority running rampant here. Some have more schizoids than others, but that's about it.

>> No.8640395

>>8639847
>I wanted a real english accent in EN for a long time.

You know she's aussie right?

Like I know burgers can't tell accents apart too well, but she straight up calls Mcdonalds "Maccas" at one point. That's pure bogan.

>> No.8640396

>>8640239
One of these days Kronii will fart on stream and be elevated to Mori's level. Tick tock, deadbeats.

>> No.8640404

How I thought the subs would turn out after teaser reveal:
1. Baelz
2. Fauna
3. Mumei
4. Kronii
5. Sana

How it ended up:
1. Kronii
2. Mumei
3. Baelz
4. Fauna
5. Sana

I guess the only thing I was right about was that the brown antis would result in Sana last.

>> No.8640436

>>8640282
Everyone in holoEN has amecan accent, even Kiara. English accent is australian and english. They sound very close to my ESL ear. And I can't for the life of me, disscern what someone is saying with welsh accent. Scottish is fine and very cool too.
More accents, please! We don't have holoEU now, but the hope is alive in my heart. French accent, italian accent, russian accent, german accent, more accents!

>> No.8640480

>>8640372
>most fanbases are pretty cool at their core
Pretty much this. I've had negative interactions with each fanbase but a tons of positive interactions as well. At the end of the day, most people just want to enjoy their oshi and talk about vtubers. I won't let the minority of schizos and shitposters influence how I feel about my brethren.

>> No.8640505

>>8640396
If her mic can pick up someone sneezing, allegedly in another room, a Mori incident truly is inevitable.

>> No.8640561
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>>8640436
what the actual fuck ESLchamma

>> No.8640579

>>8640480
Best outlook you could have on things honestly. I do enjoy calling out schizoposts, though.

>> No.8640612

>>8640561
I speak the truth, you just can't accept it. Yet.

>> No.8640625
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8640625

What I thought the tiers would be before debut:
S TIER: Mumei, Baelz
A TIER: Sana, Kronii, Fauna


What the tiers actually were post debut:
S TIER: Sana, Kronii
A TIER: Baelz
B TIER: Fauna
D TIER: Mumei

>> No.8640654

Sana and Bae: Pretty great, already fit in well with Hololive
Kronii: Ironic weeb bait
Mumei and Fauna: Need a couple more months in the indie scene, they seem like total amateurs right now

They'll probably all be good eventually but Sana/Bae are the only ones I can watch right now and feel like I'm watching Hololive and not just some random indie.

>> No.8641030

>>8638049
Kronii-Favorite so far. I really dig her voice and personality. Definitely a diamond in the rough. Can't wait to see how she improves over time.
Fauna-Perfect voice. Holy shit I could listen to her talk all day. Basically a mix of Lamy and Rushia for me.
Baelz-Great energy. I love that she ended up being the leader of the group.
Sana-Good at interacting with chat and talking while gaming. Least favorite design of the bunch but her model almost makes up for it.
Mumei-Haven't seen her Journey stream yet but she's cute. I'm looking forward to her history streams.

>> No.8641036

>>8640654
>Ironic weeb bait
I don't even know what the fuck this is supposed to mean. It seems like you don't like her much (that's fine), but you couldn't come up with a good justification so just spewed some bullshit out. Why?

>> No.8641102

>>8638049
>the only good one streams when I'm sleeping

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>>8640625
now that's an opinion I fully agree with. Both converting to Sanaism and rejecting fake Civilization.
Owlbronies are yet to find out that their oshi has nothing to offer, nothing more than a typical twitch egirl she actually is.

>> No.8641228

>>8641166
We're not starting fanbase wars here. You can fuck off somewhere else, faggot.

>> No.8641276

>>8638049
Too early to say. I will give them some more time.
What I definitely don't like is the idea of a completely cringe manager self-insert OC donutsteel faggot.

>> No.8641342

>>8641036
I could write paragraphs on why I don't like her but it would derail the thread.
I'm not gonna say it's her fault though, I feel like the manager has been advising them to play characters instead of just being themselves and it's really boring because her character is so damn stiff and seemingly just panders to coomers looking for a dommy mommy.
Mumei and Fauna have the same problem, they're so nervous it's hard to watch until they settle into Hololive and figure out a good balance between being themselves and sticking to kayfabe.
It doesn't help that they've crafted this entire chuuni lore narrative around these girls that set up unrealistic expectations for them. What the hell is the EN manager thinking giving them all these "themed" games to play on their debut week when we see how massively that failed with HoloMyth when Kiara tried to play the chicken game or Gura tried to play Maneater?

>> No.8641448

>>8641036
>Why are kroniggers so toxic and defensive
Thest other anon was right

>> No.8641628

>>8641448
Calling out a half-assed explanation is apparently toxic now.

>> No.8641739

So far I like three out five so they are on par with gen one initial expressions wise.

Surprised there isn't a better singer amongst them but Fauna's and Kronii's voices make up for it a little.

>> No.8641748

Lore is strangling them all right now. Management need to let them ease off of it so they can be themselves more than their convoluted RP characters.

>> No.8641782

>>8641342
Fair. They'll definitely get better with time, all members do.

>> No.8641968

>>8641628
You're basically outing yourself as a tourist if that explanation isn't enough for you

>> No.8642190

>>8641968
Ah, yes. The classic deflecting into a meaningless boogeyman defense, pretty fucking stupid when the anon who wrote it admitted it was half-assed to not derail the thread. It's perfectly understandable, and the discussion has moved on. You can move on now too.

>> No.8642216

Bae and Sana have a bit too much energy for my liking. Sana also has the accent debuff which is a turnoff.

Other than that they seem alright but too early to say how they develop.

>> No.8642218

Sana: Not bad
Fauna: Eh
Kronii: Hate her act
Mumei: zzzzzz
Baelz: Eh

>> No.8642311

>>8638139
Based Unity

>> No.8642419

>>8638049
When has the dust ever settled?

>> No.8642862

>>8640179
Not this soon after debut at least, give it a month and the chuuba generals will be comfy with the occasional sperg that sometimes fail to bait the retards.

>> No.8642937

>>8642216
Crazy to me that people shit on Sana for her aussie accent with Luto and Ban Hada get constant praise for their cute/sexy aussie accents.
Is this just a Hololive thing? Is that why Baelz is struggling too? What do Hololive fans have against aussies? Or are the vast majority of HoloEN fans Americans who can't stand any other accents in general? Would that explains some of Kiara's struggles as someone with a European accent? But Haachama is really popular when she speaks English and her English is aussie as fuck so idk.

>> No.8643308

>>8641342
>What the hell is the EN manager thinking giving them all these "themed" games to play on their debut week
This.
Also, who the hell picked 12 minutes and Frostpunk for Kronii? A game where the plot twist is incest seems like a weird pick for cute anime streamers. And Frostpunk doesn't fit her theme at all. Though I bet it was originally intended for Mumei and then they reassigned it to Kronii when Mumei couldn't fit it in.

>> No.8643391

>>8638049
Too soon to tell
They've only done 1 stream so far

1 thing is for certain though and that is that Mumei doesnt belong in HoloEN2

>> No.8643553

>>8642937
>Or are the vast majority of HoloEN fans Americans who can't stand any other accents in general?
Yes, hololive fans are mostly American and ESL
Haachama english is popular because she's bad at it comparing to people who speak natively, if she was in hololive english people would shit on her for being too ESL

>> No.8643650

>>8642937

Sana's bogan accent is a tough, manly accent and it sounds better when by spoken by a man instead of an cute anime girl.

Kiara's accent is pretty neutral for an ESL apart from certain words. Her problem is her voice.

Haachama's english has much bigger problems than the aussie influence.

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>>8642937
Feels like they just don't have the balls to say they dislike her color

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8643916

>>8638049
is anyone else bothered by Kronii's hair looking like a receding hairline?

>> No.8644005

>>8641739
The rrat seems a halfway decent one, as does owl.

>> No.8644004

>>8643692
There seem to be a fair number of SEAniggers here who pretty honest about being unable to understand her. Might be an ESL thing?

>> No.8644081

>>8644004
How the fuck can they have trouble understanding Sana and still understand Moona's weird autist English just fine?

>> No.8644104

>>8644081
Have you seen Moona's numbers?

>> No.8644202

>>8644104
She's the most popular vtuber in SEA and regularly gets the same numbers as HoloJP and sometimes HoloEN. What's the problem with her numbers?

>> No.8644232

>>8644004
That would make sense, her accent is thick as peanut butter even to an English native so an ESL might lose track of her words now and then. Hakos has a thick-ass accent too but she enunciates more clearly so you just hear her say certain things weirdly rather than not understand.

Keep in mind people here kept pushing the "omg ky0resu is totally in EN2" prediction even though to my ears that girl could hardly talk English, not much better than Haachama tier which would make her very unlikely to be in the running for an English gen. I said as much, many times, but they didn't listen and acted surprised she wasn't in.

I think maybe besides Kiara most of these girls are native tongue speakers and/or were raised in a house where they were taught several languages from birth, so are like 99% there on English.

>> No.8644233

>>8642937
Baelz made the same mistake as Kiara, speaking way too much Japanese.

>> No.8644235

>>8642937
Hachaama's esl is adorable, while the Rat speaks like Anya.
https://files.catbox.moe/p87r43.mp4
https://streamable.com/wyrmvx
https://files.catbox.moe/bbuezq.webm

>> No.8644263

>>8638244
>>8638243
>Sana - brown
Except she's actually entertaining and not autistic like the other 4

>> No.8644472

>>8638049
Sana: heavily underrated, just like Ina was. Talented and wants to improve as an idol. Best banter in the group along with Kronii.
Kronii: radio voice and good commentary. Inflection seems a little forced/reserved, but she'll loosen up. Might lack genuine interests? Not sure. Adaptable and good entertainer regardless.
Baelz: highest idol power level in the group. Singing, dancing, nihongo and initiative. High potential. Cute but needs to dial it back a bit so she can think of what to say instead of just generic streamer reacting, which will also help her lead the group talks.
Fauna: didn't expect much in the game department but her play/commentary were pretty entertaining. Voice is a bit forced, I expect she'll improve at using it rather than going natural. Learning to sing would be a kino arc for her, hopefully she's earnest about it.
Mumei: unfortunate rig. Has some good moments in between anxiety attacks, seems to be adjusting though. History lessons have high cringe potential if it's just pop "history." Only one I haven't really watched.

>> No.8644517

>>8643916
But anon, they are vents so she doesn't overheat

>> No.8644540

>>8644081
People are retarded or only watched her debut when her mic was messed up.

>> No.8644708

>>8644472
Actual fair and balanced assessment. Impressive

>> No.8644808

>>8644540
How does a "messed up mic" manage to give you a strayan accent?

>> No.8644879

Brown feet: Sheila, a bit cringe, but has good energy, she has potential to get better
Deer: I usually like comfy, but she talks in slow-motion, which is kind of irritating, also not an ASMRfag
Clock: Better than I expected, has potential, but she should drop the "I'm so bored" act
Owl: I just wanted her to be cute and she delivered 10fold, people say she's boring, but I don't get it
OllieEN: I tried to give her 3 chances so far, but I just find her character extremely obnoxious

Overall: Mumei > Kronii > Sana > Baelz > Fauna

>> No.8644886

>>8644081
It's not about understanding, the accent is genuinely disgusting. She sounds like white trash.

>> No.8644990

>>8644808
Her accent is easily understandable with proper audio setup.

>> No.8645105

>>8638049
>Character designs look more like Nijisanji than Hololive
>Voices sound generic
>None of their personalities stand out
>Celeste's a FUCKING NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
They've got potential but they're off to a rough start. 6/10.

>> No.8645209

>>8644990
I didn't realize people even had trouble understanding her debut stream.
I'm American but have watched enough Luto gremlin shitposting streams to be able to understand any aussie accents.

>> No.8645258

>>8645105
>Celeste
Fuck me I'm sleepy and retarded. I mean Sana.

>> No.8645483

>>8638049
I always read it as Holocaust.

>> No.8645487

>>8644879
>people say she's boring, but I don't get it
Give one thing she has to offer that no other chuuba can do twice as good
She's extremely bland and unless her strategy/history/rhytmic streams turn out to be great she doesn't deserve that large numbers

>> No.8645642

>>8638049
They're alright, unfortunately they're in holo and being alright isn't enough, so they're just a dissapointment and a stain for cover's previously perfect recruit record

>> No.8645682

>>8645105
is everyone with tanned skin a negro to you?

>> No.8645748

>>8638049
Terrible. I wish I could go back in time three weeks and get a do-over. Only good thing is they don't all look like IRyS.

>> No.8645760

>>8638243
Maybe you should actually watch streams

>> No.8646309

>>8644232
>Sana
>thick accent
anonchama...

>> No.8652894

>>8638049
Wish EN didn't happen and things stayed simple, no hate just want to go back.

>> No.8653149
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8653149

Sana - Great production value and personality, not sure how far I'll follow her down the racism for women rabbit hole but otherwise great.
Fauna - Roommate baggage and personally finding her "muh trees" bit annoying makes her a no-go for me.
Kronii - Her voice distracts from the fact that she's struggling to find things to say. With more experience she'll be top tier.
Mumei - Really bad debut plus roommate yab, but holding out due to Gura's and everyone else's strong endorsement of "no wait guys she's actually cool."
Balls - I had high hopes and they were met, her singing Fuwa Fuwa Time was the cherry on top. She'll probably be the one I like the best and watch regularly long-term.

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