It's not fair.

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How can SHE be fluent in japanese but even after months I keep forgetting most of the hiragana??
Nothing about this stupid fucking language makes any sense but somehow SHE is able to learn it?? HOW?

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You are just stupid. Get filtered.

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>>9055305
But so is Kiara..

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OP is right, Kiara isnt smarter than anybody else in EN. She probably just had a private tutor

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>>9055555
Based and checked

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>>9055555
Holy quintuplets of truth. I kneel.

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>>9055555
Absolutely based and checked.
Theres no way Kiara could learn japanese so quickly, probably paid someone to teach her kek

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Those who know her roommates history will tell you she started streaming back when she was a teen, and she basically forced herself doing it in Japanese, with dictionaries, etc along the way. It took her nearly two years to be come reasonably fluent. That's how you do it. By doing it everyday.

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>>9055121
Practice Practice Practice. Learning a language is all about repetition. Knowing the theory doesn't work you need to develop a feel for the language.

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>>9056043
In fact, let her explain herself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_oalr6uXQ

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>>9055555
She clearly isn't, as she knows multiple languages. Some faggot here also made a thread about how to learn Japanese without having to interact with others, which is fucking impossible. You need to speak with Japanese speakers, otherwise you are supremely fucked and will never learn.
So not only is Kiara smarter than you, she has bigger (metaphorical) balls than you.

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>>9055121
When you throw yourself head first into Japan without having a place to drop dead you'll learn it wanting or not. Now how much you'll learn depends on the person, see Mori.

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>>9056225
I learned both Japanese and English without interacting with natives. You can immerse yourself in the languages by other means. Yes, it might be harder, but certainly achievable if you endeavor enough.

A lot of people do this. It’s not like the only way to learn languages is by sucking native’s cock and assimilating them from the cum.

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>>9055121
>even after months
Are you retarded? She's been doing it for like, a decade, last I checked.

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>>9056358
Well, she said in about 5 months of daily streaming on NND she got pretty fluent.

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Kiara is actually really smart! You can tell if you watch her streams! It's just that her education is spotty and she's hyperfocused on a specific era of Japanese pop culture.

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>>9056093
>getting to almost fluency by google translating random oji san messages without ever studying grammar
Is life some cruel joke? This goes against everything I've ever learnt.

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>>9056093
Who?

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>>9056558
Babies don't study grammar either.

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>>9056591
(You)

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>>9056355
You miss the point of why it is important to speak the language with others. I don't believe you could establish a decent conversation with someone, but whatever. You won't be the first or last person to lie on the internet.

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>>9056694
And babies are stupid, they are only able to speak perfectly after learning grammar in school

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>>9055121
All i Know is that image makes me wanna fuck kiara

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>months
It takes years, plus you're not being serious about it. Watch anime every day. Figure out sentences.

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holy shit your meds

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>>9055555
This might be the greatest No U I've seen this year

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>>9056093
>Start streaming on NND despite not knowing Japanese
>Somehow get 1000 live viewers just for being a 15 year old white girl chatting
>Google translate their comments and responses
>Somehow this leads to fluency in 5 months
Wtf? Should I start streaming in Japanese? Will I get 1000 babas watching me and learn super fast? This is such a weird story I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen some of her NND videos

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>>9057462
It helps to be forced to use it conversationally every day. I know ppl from overseas that came to the US and dont know EN even after 5 years because they live in a small community of people from their home country and their kids translate everything for them.

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>>9057674
Yeah but you still have to know a lot to be ABLE to use it conversationally. It's not like the vocabulary and grammer will magically pop into your head if youre put under pressure.

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>>9055121
>most of the hiragana
you are either putting 0 effort in or legitimately have a mental disability

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>>9056828
The fact that you believe you absolutely have to dig a fat native cock into your throat to learn a language just tells me you don’t actually know any language besides the native one.

People who actually believe just by talking about movies to a native you “learn the language” are deluded. You will learn how to chit chat about movies, but not the language. At least not to the level you’re able to understand profound literature.

Out of all the bilingual people I know, about 20/23 learned it by themselves studying without sucking the cock and all of them either live in a English speaking country or at the very least English is the main language at work. Neither everyone has the money to go to UK or US to suck cock, nor that’s how you learn anything.

And with Japanese is even worse just because you can speak it doesn’t mean you can read it. I assume you also believe you need the native cock to read you books for you to magically pick up the kanjis.

To learn something you need to study, and to study you need study material (books, guides, instruments, tools, etc). Everything else are just excuses made by mediocre people to justify their lack of drive or intellect.

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>>9057988
I'm not even the guy and I'm impressed with how much you typed without saying anything relevant

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>>9057462
She’s most likely lying. It’s not possible to just use the shittiest machine translator on the web and with that just learn a language. Most likely she studied a lot or she considers that being fluent is just being able to seamlessly have a short chit chat with someone.

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>>9058155
holy cope

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>>9058155
based. using google translate (or deepL even) to learn a language is just dumb coz you wont learn anything

just single word translations are acceptable. beyond that you're just fooling yourselves

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always funny to see people argue over the "best" ways or even the "only" ways to learn a language, only to respond with immediate cope and denial at the prospect of somebody reaching near fluency through a method that completely contradicts everything they've told themselves.

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>>9058272
I think the final polish happened after she started travelling to Japan.

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>>9057988
hey redditschizo

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>>9056558
Seems possible if the person is a god of pattern recognition aka high IQ. Maybe Kiara really is just a genius and /vt/ is seething brainlets.

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>>9057988
you are talking too much about cocks and cum. Are you a closeted faggot?

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based kiara, i am mirin and also jealous. going to do my reps and watch her stream

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>>9055121
You're forgetting the most important factor. A person needs to be driven and inspired to learn a language. 80% of language learning is hype. The rest is daily repetition. The latter comes far easier than the former.

This issue with Japanese is that it's such a filter that you need to be super passionate about not wanting to read subtitles, or be a woman. Women have the inherent sexual value needed to easily social climb, and can often leverage their looks/bodies to earn money while learning. They can also get a free place to stay anywhere in the world just by spreading their legs.

As a man, you can't do this as easily because women in any society that' snot ultranationalist will likely already have their chad fuck buddies. You need something more, and attaining that something more will compete with learning Japanese. This means that you (if you're starting from scratch without any advantages) have to do your self improvement reps, do your Japanese reps, and achieve economic success in order to go to Japan and put your jouzu nihongo fully into practice. That's effectively your prize after busting ass and doing double duty, possibly at the expense of doing other things like becoming even more successful or enjoying your hobbies.

So while women can start there and work they way up further, male fans who wish to become jouzu have to take into alconsideration a cost benefit analysis where Japanese is worth a metric fuckton less compared to any other proficiency. In other words, there's two paths a man can go down to maximize gains. You can become a master at your craft, get transferred to nippon, and be assigned a qt translator fuckgirl who'll help you learn Japanese as an ojisan. Or you can prioritize your nihongo reps and become a master at those, all so you can be a teacher, translator or other underpaid profession (relative to the time you spent learning nihongo) where the large female workforce has resulted in a devaluing of your skills (as women don't need resources to the same degree as men).

tldr Kiara only got jouzu because modern society makes getting jouzu easier for women than men. And the men who do get jouzu form scratch tend to do it only in addition to their other more lucrative endeavors which are the main focus of their life (ie being a successful youtuber or businessman). Only a woman could get away with focusing on jouzu above all else and still wind up not fucking her life up when bills need to be paid. Never forget this when you're weighing whether or not to continue your reps.

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>>9061470
Hush. This is not a MGTOW thread.

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>>9055121
immersion, use, effort. not whinging about how you can't remember things you don't make use of. start playing games in japanese or flipping through manga raws or whatever, you'll be amazed how much better things will stick when you use them regularly.
>>9055555
if she was stupid she wouldn't be trilingual. git. gud. fag.
>>9057988
I'm impressed that you manage to perpetually equate "speak to someone else using the language" to "must involve native speakers! SUCK JAPAN COCK". git fucking gud, smoothbrain.

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>>9055121
Are you writing Hiragana everyday? Are you doing memorization practice? Have you tried Googling "Hiragana and Katakana flash games"? Do you have a textbook like Genki? If you aren't taking the right steps to learn Japanese of course you're going to forget.

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>>9055121
Because she used it a lot and you're just learning it.
Immersion=/=exercises
But also
>even after months I keep forgetting most of the hiragana
You may be literally retarded if you can't memorise kana within the first month or so. You do know you need to actually read texts in hiragana/katakana to properly learn them and shouldn't just memorise sheets, right?

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Most Europeans start learning 2 or even 3 foreign languages before they are 15 years old.

After that you know the process of learning a new language and it is easier. Especially if you're motivated to learn the language.

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>>9055121
Anonchama I understand struggling with Japanese but if you're struggling with HIRAGANA after MONTHS then you're either retarded or studying terribly wrong

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>>9061470
Second time I've seen this picture and it's next to a dumbshit novel that nobody is going to read. Is this a new trend?

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Watch shows for Japanese kids and try to translate its shit, it's very easy

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>>9057920
i put zero effort in and even I remember hiragana and katakana after learning them once

OP has a mental disability guaranteed

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>>9061470
I thought foreign men were more desirable in Japan than foreign women.

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>>9065075
it's an avatarfag

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>>9055121
Probably because she has to talk to Japanese people frequently in Japanese and therefore has a reason to learn it besides making it easier for you to jerk off without subtitles.

>>9055555
Based.

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>>9056558
>This goes against everything I've ever learnt.
Then you needed better language teachers, immersion learning has been considered the better option for decades now. Grammar learning is nice and all, but its not how you learn to speak a language effectively.

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>>9064950
Unless you are spanish, almost nobody can speak english there.

t: spanigger

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>>9065469
Or french
Or italian

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>>9056225
My mother speaks 3 languages and she's not this all knowing, high INT superbeing that's adept at single situation life throws at you. Social intelligence is only one aspect of intelligence overall.

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>>9065525
Being bilingual by default is a northern European thing I guess. According to Kiaras roommate almost everybody in Austria know English

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>>9065525
so it's just germans and scandivians that have the high IQ to learn foreign languages then?

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>>9056558
Let me guess. You are the person who goes to Japanese class and only does the bare minimum of doing the homework, and goes into class proud that they know how to say JoJo phrases. You then have to take the test at the end of the week, and you forget half of the vocabulary or characters so you just leave the spot blank rather than trying to guess. And you never rehearse the morning Japanese conversation practice, so when you enter class you always stutter and fumble the lines, wait for other people to do it first and try to copy, or try to side-glance at your textbook sneakily. This was 90% of the students in the 2 Japanese classes I took in college in the US, and why I was the top student in those classes and now in Japan. You are going to fail if you try to skate through the classes.

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>>9065469
they can't pronounce english to fucking save their paellera, wth.

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>>9057988
>constant analogies to sucking cock
Goddamn dude, are you by any chance an old homophobic congressman? I've never seen anyone repress this hard

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>>9065645
German speakers seem to be the only group in europe big enough they can do without it (like french and spanish do), but learn it anyway.
Maybe because it comes easier to them.

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>>9064950
It's also a function of who you interact with most often. A ton of my friends are ESLs and they learned by just playing vidya and such and getting matched with burgers and brits, or just generally sharing the same internet space as English-speakers.

This kinda thing doesn't really happen in either direction for Japan as the Japanese wider internet community is basically isolated from the rest of the world. To my knowledge they've got their own twitch, youtube, 4chan, forums, etc. and don't have any reason to mingle with the anglosphere. Hence why, despite English being a mandatory class in Japan, they hold on to it no better than we burgers hold onto our spanish

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>>9066015
>or just generally sharing the same internet space as English-speakers
This is true. I learned english on 4chan.

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>>9057393
Go back

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>>9055121
As much as it must suck to know, its because she actually fucking tried to learn it unlike you. If your forgetting hiragana after months your literally just sitting on your ass doing nothing.

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>>9055121
if you sucked enough chink smegma as Kiara did (and still does) you would also be as fluent as her in nihongo

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>>9055121
...hiragana are easy as fuck, I think you might just be stupid, OP.

I'm not going to rrat about how kiara actually learned her japanese, since real-time google translate can only get you so far. however, she was already bilingual at that time, and learning a third language is a hell of a lot easier than learning a second. she also went to japan as a teenager, and immersion is the best teacher. so even if she only knew enough to get by, she would've picked up a lot more very quickly.

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>>9065916
english is just german with less grammar and more gay french loanwords

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>>9061470
cope, shes a human being just like you and put in the work and got the gains. re-alocate time from politics to reps and you'll make progress too

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>>9055121
>forgetting most of the hiragana
you don't even have the right to say you tried to learn Japanese anon

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>>9065609
I never said that Kiara was all-knowing you fucking inbred bastard.

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>>9061470
Don't let the retards drag you down Anon, people think pointing out the inherent benefits that being a woman is somehow political. It's very easy to see where your points align very well with reality. Though at the end of the day, it's not about gender but about how attractive you are. Women get a lot of easy points in this field that you can roughly say "A woman is almost twice as likely to find a sexual partner than a man is". Kiara, and women like her, got the luxury of learning JP and other languages due to them being able to doll themselves up. In addition:
Speaking bad JP as a woman - KYUTEEEE!!!!
Speaking bad JP as a man - KIMOIIIIIII!!!!!!

>>9055555
Absolutely Based.

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>>9066015
It's true. The only reason why I, a burger KING, remember any Spanish at all is due to me needing to help out burritos sometimes. It's enough to form a intermediary between us since most burritos know some English if they're in burgerland.

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>>9055121
>HOW?
Because Kiara's a genius. Deal with it.

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>>9061470
>She learnt the language easier than me because she's a woman
Are you retarded? Take a look at yourself.

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>>9055121
>>9061470
don't care, have sex (with Kiara)

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>>9070652
>Being this delusional

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>>9061470
they only hate because you're right anon

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>>9056093
wtf, i love roommate now

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>>9055555