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STOP TRANSLATING INTO JAPANESE YOU BITCH

>> No.9174957
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9174957

SHE IS JAPANESE

>> No.9175287

>>9174950
stop speaking english

>> No.9175388

>>9174950
Speak japanese.

>> No.9175392

>>9174950
SHUT UP IT HELPS ME LEARN

>> No.9175410

>>9174950
HoloID 2 Reject

>> No.9175512

>>9174950
Seriously, this is the only thing that filters me from watching her. It's cool if you speak multiple languages, but don't break up the stream to say everything multiple times unless you're actually translating for someone or reading a superchat.

>> No.9175729

I hope jp bros beg for nihongo only streams like a reverse haachama.

>> No.9175751 [DELETED] 

No do reps

>> No.9176405
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>>9175512
AHHH KIARA
I'M TIMELOOPING AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.9176460
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>HololiveEN
>speaks not English

>> No.9176486

Watching pikamee has deadened me to that type of thing. Rrat is cute.

>> No.9176514
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>Wanting to be spoonfed
Do your reps EOP chaama

>> No.9176540

>>9174950
she wants Roberu's dick, please understand

>> No.9176553

>>9176514
HYPER PURISU

>> No.9176566

>>9176460
Spanish is okay though.

>> No.9176589

Petra of HoloEN2 kek

>> No.9176613

>>9174950
Nihongo learning siro.

>> No.9176621

>>9174950
JP is actually part of her audience.

>> No.9176632

>>9175512
couldnt have said it better my self.
this kinda shit filters me against kiara as well. I remember not even being able to watch her debut stream be cause she would say the exact same thing three fucking times.

its cool that they're multi lingual but they really should use that trait in less disruptive ways like teaching other holos their language or playing kusoge in their languages

>> No.9177412

>>9176632
Reps should only be used for singing, live translating text in nip games for viewers, or jp only streams. Otherwise it's disruptive and weebish. Men can get away with it because the entire point is to be a hammy clown. Women doing GFE just language filter people who can't relate to or connect with what they're saying.

>> No.9177502

>>9177412
>Women doing GFE
I am pretty sure Fauna is the only one going that route.

>> No.9177637

>>9177502
Lmao
>>9177412
But this. I would be way more into watching her streams if she did play nip games and translated for us. Like, her whole look screens "I play retro games". Imagine her power level if she played old school jp games and live translated it for everyone? Now that would be true Chaos.

>> No.9177682

>>9177637
that would probably make her one of THE largest streamers in the industry

>> No.9177791

>>9177502
Mumei is pretty GFE desu. Just more subtle

>> No.9177951

>>9177637
>>9177791
Ok, regardless of who else is GFE, rrat definitely isn’t.

>> No.9177953

number one thing stopping me from watching her and ollie, i love her energy and personality but fuck the constant destroying the flow of the stream to translate shit is so annoying

>> No.9178002

but I like hearing Bae speaking Japanese. It's cute.

>> No.9178024

>>9175512
Her self-dubbing is a lot more understandable and forgivable than someone else's simply because of her timezone. She's smart to build up a jp audience because she streams during jp hours and plenty of EOPs are asleep.

>> No.9178090

>>9174950
Irys used to do that a lot during her first streams, and Kiara does it all the time up to this day. But suddenly rrat does it and it's bad?

>> No.9178124

>>9177412
>men can do whatever they want
>women who stream are automatically gfe regardless of whether they actually do it
anon. this already has no merit and would only have slightly more than zero merit id you were talking about a chuuba who actually actively does gfe. Bae doesn't, or at least not atm.

>> No.9178135

>>9178090
Everyone complained about Kiara doing it too, you retard. It's not "suddenly" at all.

>> No.9178142

>>9178090
kiara is the least subscribed EN 1 and irys is literally who

>> No.9178170

>>9176486
But Pikamee is such a cute DAYO she can get away with it. Rrat doesn’t have half her charm.

>> No.9178204

Anon, you've been studying japanese for YEARS and know jackshit about the language, how about you pick up the pace and learn something from rat and chicken instead of complaining

>> No.9178237

>>9178142
There are a multitude of reasons Kiara is the least subscribed and self-dubbing is probably one of the smallest ones. IRyS is still doing pretty well atm. Expected her to have fallen off way harder by now desu but good for her.

>> No.9178271

>>9177502
>>9177791
neither of them do gfe they just naturally have big wifey energy which is why they have bfs

>> No.9178317

>>9174950
She at the moment does have somewhat of a JP audience and does like twice as good as Sana at similar hours. I'd say it's smart if you're in Japanese prime time to cater to them somewhat because you basically have the entire EN audience to yourself anyway.

>> No.9178380

IRyS does it best, her main stream segments are entirely in English. She only speaks Japanese for Japanese superchats and barely self-translates, sometimes there's a short English summary.

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>>9174950
She learned from the best dayo

>> No.9178850

>>9174950
We will become Japanese.

>> No.9179102

not sure what the prob is, don't watch fags, that'll teach her

>> No.9179115

I don't understand why I enjoy when Pikamee repeata herself but I don't like it when Baelz, Kiara, or any others do the same thing. Is it because Pika's English is just broken enough to be make up for it?

>> No.9179235

I got filtered
chubas for this feel

>> No.9179402

>>9178135
You sure don't see people making threads about it every two days like they do with Baelz though.

>> No.9179453

>>9179115
Because pikamees main tongue is Japanese.

>> No.9179461

>>9179402
>People don't talk about the old & busted vtuber doing the annoying thing that the new hotness is doing
No shit Sherlock.

>> No.9179471

>>9178439
her voice does give Pikamee vibes sometimes

>> No.9179483

>>9178090
IRyS didn't really "use to do that a lot during her first streams", though. She used Japanese - that's true, and she still does. However, she rarely used that outside of talking to / addressing specific JP viewers' comments in chat, or when she found something really funny. The ratio of JP / EN matters - and IRyS somehow managed to keep hers at a nice rate not to piss either her EN or her JP fans off.
Moreover, as other guy said, it's hardly sudden. It was bad in Kiara's case. It was bad in Petra's case. Now it's bad when Baelz does, too. I'm not saying that she should stop talking in Japanese, but she should try to keep it down a little bit.

>> No.9179575

>>9179483
Ideally, the best scenario is as >>9177637 said. Old nip games sounds amazing. As well as thanking jp bros for their pity money.

>> No.9179637

>>9179471
Kettle laughter

>> No.9179763

>>9179115
Because Pika's main language is japanese so she is translating for (you). Bae's main language is english so she is translating for (them).

I wonder if JOPs complain about Pika translating to english like we complain about Bae translating to japanese.

>> No.9179852

>>9179763
I don't care what any other anon says, they're going to lie. The answer is 100% yes they do.

>> No.9179855

>>9179763
Pika's audience is half-and-half, according to her. Her EOPs are just more vocal.

>> No.9179956

>>9179453
>>9179763
but Kiara is ESL too. And no, the difference isn't just >kiara

>> No.9180210

>>9179956
She may be ESL, but her native tongue is for fucking sure not Japanese Anon.

>> No.9180298

>>9180210
I know, but why would native Japanese doing ESL be more appealing than native German doing ESL to a native English audience?

>> No.9180338

>>9179956
Kiara is HoloEN

>> No.9180516

>>9180298
Because said native German speaker doesn't inject English into her German Stream at HoloGER for her English speaking fans. It's all about the presentation. She's in HoloEN, it's assumed she'll be speaking English mostly.

>> No.9180549

>>9176486
Pikamee is fluent in both even if she never 100% gets english grammar. Rat is painfully JSL so she stutters ans stammers her way through poorly constructed sentences.

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>>9180298
> why would native Japanese doing ESL be more appealing than native German doing ESL to a native English audience?
It depends on who's speaking.

>> No.9180588

>>9180549
Also this. If I want JP, I want perfect JP and broken En. It's cuter.

>> No.9180617

>>9180516
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. How about Coco for example? She's native English but I like her repeating herself even though she didn't really do the 50/50 split like Pika does.

>> No.9180621

Not a single person complaining about her Japanese would watch her even if she stopped. Not a one.

>> No.9180632

>Anya has the lowest numbers and growth of her gen
>Kiara has the lowest numbers and growth of her gen

Why won't Bae learn from her senpais? No one wants to here you go back and forth between languages.

>> No.9180688

>>9180621
I personally would, it's the thing that filtered me in the first place when I tried to listen to her first 雑談, her JSL made me cringe so I closed the tab and put something else.

>> No.9180752

>>9174950
I feel like déjà vu...
>>9176405
I'm not alone on that I see.
>>9176460
Imagine ID when their chubas speaks more en than id

>> No.9180782

>>9180688
Sure sure, ofcourse.

>> No.9180934

>>9180632
>Petra has the lowest numbers and growth of her gen

Literally it also translates over to Nijis too, and Petra was initially ridiculously heavily-favored for her design (like Baelz actually).

The writing is on the wall, rrat. It's just a matter of if she can read and heed it.

>> No.9181032

>>9180934
or actually before someone corrects me Petra is still not the bottom of her gen next to Rosemi, but her growth completely stalled and her live view numbers are literally Anya-tier OR WORSE. And that girl speaks a ton of JP and people keep saying it's an issue.

>> No.9181218

>>9180588
>I want perfect JP
Anon, I need you to sit down and hear the truth about the holoJP girls and their linguistic abilities...

>> No.9181254

>>9180617
Because Coco whole deal for a while was "Hahaha, I'm from USDA!". And she was there, from another world, to learn JP. Her being bad and speaking relatively imperfect JP was funny and a neato character quirk in her era.
Kiara's whole bio is: "An idol whose dream is to become a fast food shop owner. Kiara is a phoenix, NOT a chicken or turkey. (Very important)". Literally her speaking JP makes no sense and is super fucking annoying.

Actual reasoning outside of the characters:
Coco speaking with some EN and JP was because she actually really fucking sucked at JP when she first started. Like, seriously bad. There's clips of her and Kanata making fun of it years later. Her repeating herself was done for A) to help EN watchers to watch and B) because she probably needed to say things in English sometimes to work out how to say it in JP. Or to ensure that what she meant to say was clear. For example, she might say something in JP kinda weird, then follow up with EN to make sure people knew she meant to say that in JP. It felt more like a habit and personal tick that stuck.
Kiara is almost fluent in JP and English. Her repeating herself is a waste for her position in the company. IF JP bros want to watch an EN chuuba, they probably expect them to speak in EN. Of course, injecting some lines in JP is good if you notice a large JP following, but as mentioned WAY earlier in the thread, JP reps should be used creatively instead of just repeating yourself. For example, as others have pointed out, Pika uses her EN skills to sometimes play EN games. If any EN Girl used her JP skills to play JP games, that would sell like hotcakes. Instead they don't and it comes off as grating. Because people, whether thinking of that or not, understand that wasting your time repeating yourself is annoying.

>> No.9181261

>>9180934
Baelz was only favored for her design before it was revealed, when everyone thought it would be the cute and funny of the generation.

>> No.9181310

>>9181218
Listen, they're all retarded. They're girls. I UNDASTAND. But I don't understand the language. To me, they're just making cute sounds.

>> No.9181316

>>9181032
Petra is the only NijiEN I don't go out of my way to watch, and frankly anymore I just don't watch at all even when she's the only one live. It's not the Japanese, it's just that she doesn't have the energy that literally all the others have.

>> No.9181332

>>9181261
Or the joker of the group instead of the butt of most of the jokes.

>> No.9181335

>>9174950
She's just roleplaying as chaos, the destruction of Babel, and the confusing of tongues.

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>>9180632
>Pikamee is the transcendent face of independent vtubing, beloved by pretty much all of hololive/niji/vshojo
Makes you think dayo

>> No.9181381

>>9180752
I feel bad from ID bros. Their own chuubas barely speak nindog and instead speak JP or EN for that sweet foreign cash. Poor lads, getting economically and lingustically cucked.

>> No.9181421

>>9181345
actually kinda surprised no one seriously hates her. She's just kinda there and loved. She reminds me too much of Burger King.

>> No.9181432

>>9174950
>Stop speaking Japanese
>Anine girl hired by a japanese company
EoPs are fucking stupid, how are you this triggered? Should use her as a baseline to practice reps. YOUR HOBBY IS JAPANESE YOU FAGS

>> No.9181434

>>9181381
and then get bitched out when they complain about it

>> No.9181497

>>9181432
Your japanese would actively worsen if you used her for reps, she's not exactly fluent anon.

>> No.9181581

>>9181345
Pikamee isn't a weeb trying to court Japanese fans, she's a hafu with a foot in both worlds and her mixing languages is as natural for her as breathing. She comes off as nothing but sincere.

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She should be like IRyS and only speak Japanese when the situating calls for it.
I guess it also helps that she is half Japanese, so her Japanese is perfect.

>> No.9181646

>>9174957
Could have fooled me with that aussie/chinese accent she has going on

>> No.9181660

>>9181434
Fucking poor lads.

>> No.9181704

I don't see the issue with rrat doing this. Due to where she lives she mainly streams during JP hours and actually has a good number of Nip viewers. Its the courteous thing to do. When she streams during burger hours she doesn't do it nearly as much.

>> No.9181757

>>9181497
I didn't say copy her Japanese, you can listen to her and compare to your own knowledge

>> No.9181764

>>9181704
Don't even get me started on her hours Anon. We'll be here until she actually starts streaming.

>> No.9181773

>>9181607
Yeah, IRyS found the perfect balance to keep both her all her viewers happy. Then again, she is the most talented streamer in EN so that doesn't surprise me.

>> No.9181776

>>9181421
Pikamee….love??

>> No.9181836

>>9181776
PIKAMEE LOVE!

>> No.9181854

>>9181773
>EN's Watame

>> No.9181873

>>9181381
More for me.
t. EOP

>> No.9181922

>>9174957
SHE IS PART OF HOLOLIVE ENGLISH MAYBE TRY TLAKIGN IN ENGLISH.

>> No.9182021

>>9181032
People joke that she speaks good english for a NijiJP because she won't stop talking in japanese.

>> No.9182076

Pika and IRyS. Two girls where there just isn't anything to really hate. People tried to stir shit when IRyS debuted and they failed miserably. Now they are doing it with the Rrat... and will fail again.

>> No.9182113

>>9181773
I mean she is a decent singer but I would not call her talented by any means. She is a fucking retard at minecraft. Talented implies that she is naturally good at anything she does but she is really only born and trained to sing really well.

>> No.9182206

>>9182076
Sell me on IRyS I have not seen a single thing she has done.

>> No.9182846

>>9182206
IRyS genuinely gets engrossed in anything she plays to the point where she loses track of time. She is super engaged with chat and engages in great bantz with them and is sassy without crossing the line into being a bitch. No dead air at all as like I said before, she is constantly talking with chat. Then to top it all off she is a masterful singer.

She is simply the best there is.

>> No.9183020

>>9182846
Is he good, bad, or average at games?
What games does she play, because if it apex and minecraft only I already don't care?

>> No.9183085

>>9182206
Secret endings

>> No.9183136

>>9183020
She was 2nd in the Mario Kart tournament and the only real challenger to INa's domination.

>> No.9183206

>>9174950
Why do they think this is a such a big buff anyways? japanese people don't stay because it's not a full stream in japanese and eops don't stay because it's not a full english stream, the only holo that managed to make this work was coco and she was smart enough to have ''breaks''

>> No.9183218

>>9183085
And that means???

>> No.9183263

>>9175388
Hololive English

>> No.9183324

>>9183020
They are all pretty bad at video games. But compared to other HoloEN I guess she's middle of the road? She likes Apex but hasn't played it in over a month. Minecraft maybe once a week.

>>9182113
Being bad at Minecraft wouldn't make her not a talented streamer. She's not the best but she's definitely a well rounded streamer. Good voice, good engagement, banter. Usually bad at games at the start but learns quick. Often very cute commentary and loves anime/manga more than anyone but maybe Ina.

>> No.9183783

>>9183324
Recommend me a past stream to watch

>> No.9183876

>>9182113
>talented implies she's naturally good at everything
>cites not being good at Minecraft as an example of her not being talented
I had no idea people could just launch the game and suddenly know all the ins-and-outs of the game, anon. It's almost like no one who's good at the game ever had to look things up on Google, they just somehow knew exactly what to do. inb4 she's too stupid to Google. She clearly wants to learn on stream with chat. I'm no IRyS fan, I only watch her during collabs but she's literally one of the most inoffensive chuubas. What a boring thing to shit on her for.

>> No.9183899

>>9183085
Stay until the very end of the stream and find out. Like a post credits scene from a movie.

>> No.9183927

>>9174950
why does every single chuuba that knows japanese does this?

>> No.9184038

>>9183927
IRyS doesn't

>> No.9184446

I think it works for pikamee because she does it so naturally. Even when she is excited or panicked she still repeats everything in the same tone back to back. Whereas bae has a slight pause when thinking how to translate and it breaks up the flow more.

>> No.9188483

>>9183927
Because they're weebs and have found a good platform to practice their nip? There's honestly no better way to practice than by talking to a Japanese audience and seeing them respond other than talking to a native face to face. I would kill for the opportunity to talk to a sizable nip audience because I can never have enough practice.

>> No.9190169

>>9178170
Moving goalposts, using subjectivity to reconcile hypocrisy.
If it's okay for Pikamee (it is) then it's not an inherent problem, despite all the petty faggots trying to frame it as one. Just looking for things to bitch about.

>> No.9190273

>>9190169
Nah, it's not an issue for Pika. Sorry rrat, Sana, and Kiara are in the same tier.

>> No.9190280

does hakos speak japanese better than kiara?

>> No.9190353

>>9190280
No.
Source: None, I can't speak jp.

>> No.9190484

>>9180934
>>Petra has the lowest numbers and growth of her gen
She also has by far the ugliest design and worst voice of all the NijiENs.

>> No.9190631

Typical Anglocentrism and hypocrisy. Probably can't find Hungary on the map. Also most probably never complained when Coco or other JP vtubers tried to speak English.

>> No.9190668

>>9180632
Anya speaks three languages including repulsive indog, which is way more disorienting. Japanese is just cute anime noise. Her rude gimmick is also not appealing to most people, she only streams debuff games, and has a complex about her design.
You could write a fucking novel about Kiara's problems and the Japanese would barely be a footnote.

>> No.9190760

>>9190273
>can't even form a coherent response
Begone retard.

>> No.9190765

>>9190631
Retard, it's right next to Austria. Y'know. Austria-Hungary. Read above as to why people said they were okay with coco/jp. I hate faggots who just post without reading the thread.

>> No.9190919

>>9190765
Now find Hungary on an unmarked map.
>coco
And no, the hypocrite wrote an essay on Coco and convinced no one. Bilingual vtubers are great and only idiots try to think otherwise.

>> No.9190930

>>9190280
No, her vocab is not as vast as Kiara's and she stutters sometimes maybe due to lack of confidence. It's probably due to the fact that Kiara lived in Japan for a long while.

>> No.9191079

>>9190919
It's almost like you didn't read at all.
First, I locate Austria on an unmarked map.
I then find Hungary.

>> No.9192306

>>9177412
>Men can get away with it because the entire point is to be a hammy clown
This is what society has indoctrinated us into thinking men should be. All of those sitcoms and TV ads with retarded, goofy fathers who always get made fun of.

>> No.9192429

>>9190631
Es ist mir egal, wo deinem drecklocklichen Land liegt. Erhäng dich sofort

>> No.9192535

>HoloEN Gen 3
>It's literally all Japanese hafus who live in Japan but are fluent in English
>they collab with the JPs in Japanese when the collab ban is over
How would this make you feel?

>> No.9192617

>>9181254
I honestly wonder how coco managed to get hired by Cover given her shitty Japanese.

>> No.9192656

>>9192429
Du bist Deutsch Muttersprachler, ne? Was hältst du von Kiara?

>> No.9192675

>>9192535
Depends if they had nudes leaked. If so, I'd be okay with it as it proves every idol in hololive is a whore. If not, I would be also okay with it. Just my dick would be sad.

>> No.9192754

>>9192617
Because she was a popular streamer in her past (and now current again) life

>> No.9192893

>>9192754
Yeah this. It also helps cover had plans to expand to CN and EN even back then. So having someone to test the waters was probably a good business plan. It just so happened EN became the only path forward.

>> No.9192899

>>9174950
>AHHH I can understand the entirety of the stream but she's speaking in other languages too to make other people understand I can't stand it AHHHH!!!!
Why are EOPs like this?

>> No.9193041

>>9192893
I don't think Cover realised just how influential Coco would be to the EN audience

>> No.9193334

>>9193041
Oh definitely not. But I do think they expected her to draw in a few English viewers. Did they forsee the clipfags? And everything like that? Fuck no, they're retarded JP business men who just wanted to expand overseas. Literally what all JP businesses try to do asap.

>> No.9202120

>>9193334
> Coco
> English viewers

Pick 1 anon
Except Reddit meme review, JP ojisan and neesan watched Coco

>> No.9202389

>>9175512
i love it when EOPs get autofiltered from streams

>> No.9202529

>>9174950
lmao getting triggered by that

>> No.9202760

>>9178142
what fucking world do you like in where 600k is 'literally who'

some of you faggots are so fucking retarded

>> No.9203399

>>9178024
STOP USING LOGIC!!!!!

>> No.9205114

If she manages to improve her japanese and be more confident when speaking, like haachama did with english, I'll give her another chance.
But thats several months away if not years

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>>9177637
>>>9177502
>Lmao

>> No.9206001

>>9174950
Don't listen to this idiot, some of us are still learning Japanese so the translations are helpful.

>> No.9206393

>>9174950
If I didn't like cute girls speaking Japanese I wouldn't be here.

>> No.9206548

>>9206393
If I like cute girls speaking Japanese I would be here.

>> No.9206581

>>9175512
The fact niggers like you are getting filtered is a huge bonus.

>> No.9206737

>>9174950
Based rat, get filtered nigger

>> No.9206839

>>9175392
this.
it's one of the reasons I like ollie, she often translates what she says.

>>9175729
I would encourage it, although I'd skip the stream when it happens.
I would support the idea and then I'd come here to pick fights with whiny bitches who think they own the streamer and want to dictate what sort of content they make.

>> No.9206927

>>9174950
Ehhh, I can't really give her shit for it. I like watching Pikamee exclusively because she throws EOPs a bone and self translates, despite having mostly JP fans.

>> No.9207048

>>9206001
I'm learning Japanese but I don't find it helpful. It mostly just irritates me because it feels like she's flexing on me.

>> No.9207890

>>9174950
stfu nigger

>> No.9214052

>>9174950
cute mouse

>> No.9214372
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>>9207048
That sounds like a personal problem man. I don't feel that way at all when EN vtubers do it. I'm a the point where I hardly even notice the difference when they mince Japanese and English. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't find it particularly okashii.

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>>9174950
>STOP TRANSLATING INTO JAPANESE YOU BITCH
1st time?

>> No.9214444

>>9174950
So when Ollie does it it's based, but not when it's you guys gettng that treatment huh?

>> No.9214508

>>9202389
This

>> No.9215920

Why are amerifags like this. I hope you get 9/11'd again

>> No.9215950

>>9207048
>I'm learning Japanese but I don't find it helpful. It mostly just irritates me because it feels like she's flexing on me.
ngmi. sorry. You should stop now

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